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Mr. Gibbs:
Take us away.

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The Press:
Thank you.

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On the U.N. sanctions vote,
what is it about this round of

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sanctions that the administration thinks will get

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Iran to obey this time
after they've defied --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, let me say a few things that I think you heard the

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President speak
about in his remarks.

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First and foremost, this is the
most comprehensive and most

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robust set of international
sanctions placed to date on Iran.

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I think these sanctions broaden
the scope of what Iran has had

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to deal with.

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It sends a message from the
international community about

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its commitment to preventing
Iran from obtaining a nuclear

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weapon, and sends a message to
international businesses that

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the price of doing business with
Iran will be exceedingly high.

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As the President has said
on a number of occasions and

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reiterated today, that sanctions
are not a magic bullet.

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We will continue to put -- through this and other means,

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put pressure on Iran.

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I think you see the degree to
which Iran has sought to fight

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these sanctions as a measure of
what they feel like the impact

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of these will be.

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We continue to seek a diplomatic
solution and we will continue to

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hold them responsible for the
obligations that they've made to

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the international community.

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The Press:
Is the administration disappointed in Brazil and

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Turkey for voting
against the sanctions?

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I mean, does that --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think it is not
altogether surprising --

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I don't think their votes
are altogether surprising.

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I think -- obviously we've had a slightly different approach over

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the past many weeks.

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I don't want to characterize why
they voted the way they did,

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but I think there was a
demonstrated and forceful

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international commitment to
ensuring that not living up to

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your obligations has
severe consequences,

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and that's what the U.N. Security Council did today.

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The Press:
If I could ask one
question on the Middle East.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
The Israeli embassy says they're trying to finalize Netanyahu's

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visit for the end of this month.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
Do you have anything on that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Hold on a second.

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Do you have any
sense of what the --

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I don't have any electronics,
so I'm not sure what that is.

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Got to move the rabbit ears.

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Sorry.

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We are -- we have
been talking with them.

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We have not settled
on a date as of yet,

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but have been in discussions
with them about coming back

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maybe as early as
the end of the month.

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Obviously, we've got to
choreograph G-20 and some other

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stops that -- but we're
in touch with them on that.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
On Iran, the Iranian President called the resolution valueless

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and likened it to a used
handkerchief that should be

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thrown away.

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Do you have any
reaction to that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I would just say this.

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Again, look, I think
anybody that wakes up --

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nobody should wake up and be
surprised about the outlandish

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rhetoric that comes from
him on a near daily basis.

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Understand this: They fought
what happened in the Security

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Council -- they fought
it today tooth and nail,

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and they have fought this
tooth and nail for weeks.

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They understand both what this
means in demonstrating a greater

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international commitment
and a forceful international commitment.

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They understand what --
as I said a minute ago,

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what this means for international businesses doing

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business in that country.

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Iran today has greater
sanctions placed upon it,

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finds itself more isolated
than it ever has been before,

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and it finds the coalition
aligned against its pursuits

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broader than it's
ever been before.

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And I think that's important.

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The Press:
But given that rhetoric, are you getting any indication that the

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leadership in Tehran is
getting ready to change its

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confrontational stance?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, that's -- we will see
as a result of some of these

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sanctions, understanding there are other steps that we could

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take with additional countries, there are other steps that we

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could take unilaterally, as we pursue a diplomatic solution.

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The Press:
On BP, following Admiral Allen's letter to BP demanding more

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information on how the company
was seeking damage claims,

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do you feel you're getting
sufficient cooperation from BP

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in dealing with
compensation claims?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, today's meeting is a direct offshoot of what we have

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heard from those in the Gulf,
some of what we heard on the

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last trip to the Gulf on Friday,
that there is a series of steps

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that BP needs to take,
particularly in terms of the

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transparency of claims.

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We heard from folks about the
degree to which larger claims

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have not been either
addressed or paid out.

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I don't want to get ahead of the
result of what Admiral Allen and

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others say out of that
meeting, but I will say,

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going into that meeting
we think they're --

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and that letter outlines some
specific steps that we think BP

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needs to take right now to
address this claims process.

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They've got a certain amount
of time to pay these claims.

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We want to see some transparency
as to what claims have not been paid.

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Again, in meeting with either
a seafood processor or a

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convenience store owner or a
larger commercial fisherman --

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you may have gotten
a $5,000 check.

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That is likely not going to
cover how much you might owe on

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your boat, or the lost income
of not processing more shrimp,

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or the loss that you've seen
in your convenience store.

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All of those were personal
stories the President heard

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just last Friday.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
In terms of the claims process and also in terms of the

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cleaning process, which are the
two most important aspects of

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what's going on beyond plugging
the hole down there for

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Louisianans, why is
BP in charge of that?

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Why is the government
not supervising?

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I mean, BP is
hiring contractors.

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Why doesn't the government
hire contractors and --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, the government has activated members of the

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National Guard.

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The government has activated
-- or has Coast Guard members.

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Different branches of the
government have different folks down there.

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I would say we are -- the relationship that we have in

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terms of directing them is the same as we have in the broader relationship.

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The Press:
They're failing at cleaning -- BP is failing at the cleaning

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process, they're failing
at the claims process.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Which is, Jake, why Admiral Allen sent that letter and why

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Admiral Allen, again, off of the
meeting that the President had

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last week, has set up a meeting
to fix this claims process.

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The Press:
But why doesn't the
government take --

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why doesn't the government --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I don't
want to come out of --

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not in the meeting, the
claims meeting, today.

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I do think a series of remedies
that have been outlined that we

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believe BP must take
will be discussed,

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and we'll move forward from them
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process, which we know
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economic damages out of this
thing certainly will swell into

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the many billions of dollars -- and we will work in every way we

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can with the people of the Gulf and with the states affected to

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ensure that the process is one that is completely fair for them.

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The Press:
Okay.

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In terms of the Iran sanctions,
the three previous regimes since

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2006 of sanctions
were unanimous votes.

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Without -- I know you don't
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Brazil and Lebanon
voted the way they did,

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but what reason can you think
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unanimous vote as opposed
to the three previous votes?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, it's hard to answer that question without getting into

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why -- the individual
reasons that they did.

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But, Jake, I don't
think anybody --

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if you have a sanctions
regime that you can tighten,

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I don't think anybody
would say, well,

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don't tighten that unless you
get everybody to say we should

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tighten it.

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The Press:
No, I'm not --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no, that's --
your question; my answer.

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Again, I think that regardless
of 12 votes or more,

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we have in place now a stronger
sanctions regime that's resulted

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in a country that's more
isolated based on a broader

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international commitment
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The Press:
That's my precise point
-- it's not more isolated,

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it's less isolated.

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Mr. Gibbs:
How so?

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The Press:
Well, the three previous
votes were unanimous and this

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one was not.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, understand, Jake, the
-- I don't know whether the --

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are you saying the 15 members
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times were the same?

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Because obviously there's --

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The Press:
No, they weren't --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right --

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The Press:
-- they weren't, but --

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- there's 10 people
that rotate from that --

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The Press:
Iran can look at
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we are less isolated now than
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Mr. Gibbs:
16 months ago, when the President took office,

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the resolution that was passed
today could not have passed the

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United Nations Security Council.

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We would not have gotten Russia.

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We would not have gotten China.

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So there is a broader
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aligned against the pursuit of
a nuclear weapon by the Iranian

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government unlike we have seen
since this President has been in office.

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Look, people can debate 12
votes, 15 votes, whatever.

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The bottom line is there is a
greater sanctions regime on the

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government of Iran today
than there was yesterday,

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than there has been
at any other point.

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And that's what's
seemingly important.

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The Press:
Can I just have one quick question about Vice President

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Biden and Sudan?

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Could you just -- he's taking
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process there and I was just wondering if you could just

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elaborate a little bit.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me get something from them.

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I just -- I have not -- let me get something from them today.

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The Press:
Thanks, Robert.

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I just want to go back to BP in
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When the President told NBC that
he has still not talked directly

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to Tony Hayward, the CEO -- in order to move that and many of

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these other things along, why hasn't the President just picked

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up the phone and talked
directly to the CEO?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I think what's important to understand is it's

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not entirely clear
to anybody that --

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look, the CEO is
elected by the board.

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Anything that the CEO wants to
do has to be approved by the board.

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I'm not entirely sure, based
on the executive structure of

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corporate governance, that --

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The Press:
He's the public face of this.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, and that's
apropos of what?

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The Press:
He's been out front
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He's the person who's making
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not the board.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Any decision that the CEO makes has to be approved by the board.

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So I don't -- again, we're
in constant contact with --

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The Press:
He's the leader of the company.

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He's the guy who has been
the -- he's in the ads,

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the $50 million ads the President has criticized.

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It's Tony Hayward saying,
we're going to get this done,

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we're going to clean it up.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I understand
who's in the ads.

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I'm just -- I'm telling
you based on the corporate

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governance structure, Ed, in order to implement what --

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whatever you get from BP, the
CEO has to get clearance from

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the board to do.

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That's the way the corporate
governance structure is laid out.

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The Press:
Okay, so -- but when the President said in the NBC

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interview that he talks to
these experts so he knows who's

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"blank" to kick, presumably --

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The Press:
"Ass" was the word.

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The Press:
Yes, I think -- presumably Tony Hayward is the biggest "blank"

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in this whole -- he's
the leader, right?

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(laughter)

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Is that a hollow claim,
that he's kicking butt here,

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or why not pick up the phone and tell the CEO, we've got to clean

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up this claims process?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, that's happening today as a result of the meeting that's

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happening between Tony Hayward
and the person in charge of

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claims for British Petroleum.

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The Press:
Just whose butt is
the President kicking?

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He said he's looking -- trying to determine whose butt to kick.

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Whose is he kicking and
whose has he kicked?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Us in government
and those in BP.

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The Press:
Who in BP?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, we are, as I
said a minute ago,

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meeting directly today with
the person involved in claims.

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The Press:
I mean the President himself.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right, the --

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The Press:
The President is not
meeting with him.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, the President is
not meeting with him.

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The President asked Thad Allen
to meet with him as an offshoot

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of the meeting that the
President was involved in.

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The Press:
You'd think if the President says he's looking for butts to

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kick, he's going to do something
other than just send Thad Allen

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to a meeting.

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Wouldn't he actually, as Ed
said, pick up the phone?

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And if he's constrained
by the board,

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then why not call
the board members?

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Why not call them all --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, we're in constant contact with many in the

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corporate structure of BP about
how and what they must do --

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whether it's the claims process,
whether it's a directive that

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was issued today by Thad Allen,
the national incident commander,

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in order to ensure that there is
a redundancy that allows for,

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as the cap can take more oil and
as different things are added to

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the strategy of the top cap,
that vessels are in place in

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order to be able to do that.

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The Press:
You seemed to concede to Jake that BP is failing at both the

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claims and the cleanup process.

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Does the President -- is that how the President describes this --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, the meeting is an offshoot of complaints that we

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have all heard, particularly
on the claims process,

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that has to be
remedied, absolutely.

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The Press:
How would you describe the President's level of confidence

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in BP now?

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Is he losing confidence?

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Does he have any
confidence in them --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, our job is to make
sure that the response is --

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takes care of the needs
of those in the Gulf.

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And if there are things
that need to happen,

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like ensuring that the person
in charge of claims at BP is

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providing information to our
officials who are helping

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citizens with the claims
process, that's what we'll do.

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The Press:
Is it the President's view that he is just stuck with BP no

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matter how badly they fail?

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Mr. Gibbs:
In what way?

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The Press:
If they continue to fail with the cleanup process and the

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claims process, as
the President --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, if there are things
that need to happen,

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we will continue to direct
them to take those steps.

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The Press:
Yes, but is he stuck with
BP if they continue to fail?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't --

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The Press:
Can you get BP out of the way?

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Has the President gotten to the
point where he's discussing that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
BP caused the accident, Chip.

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BP is the cause of --

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The Press:
They would have to
pay for it eventually,

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but if they're not
getting the job done --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, we will evaluate -- if the claims process is one that

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can't be remedied, then we'll look for solutions to ensure

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that it is.

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Chuck.

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The Press:
Throughout the entire diplo-speak that we went through

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when we traveled
the world on Iran,

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the President regularly would
say United Nations sanctions

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were one part of
an entire sanction.

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How soon do you expect
something out of the EU?

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How soon do you expect
sort of a coalition --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'd put you to the EU on that.

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Look, the Treasury Department
announced in February --

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January or February, I
forget which month --

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additional unilateral sanctions.

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And certainly we
evaluate those on --

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The Press:
The administration
is still pursuing,

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they would like to get --

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Mr. Gibbs:
As is Congress.

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The Press:
-- stronger sanctions -- no, I'm talking about other countries

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uniting to do even
stronger sanctions.

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Is that --

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Mr. Gibbs:
That is certainly one course that we could take, yes.

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The Press:
No, no, you said that's
one course you could take.

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Is that a course that the
administration is pursuing now?

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Mr. Gibbs:
It is -- yes.

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The Press:
During that famous debate with Hillary Clinton on the issue of

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engagement and direct
talks related --

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does the President have any
regret that he never had any

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direct engagement with
anybody on any level in Iran?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, we sought to
engage directly.

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I think it is very safe to
say, Chuck, that without --

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again, we could -- what passed today, at the beginning of this

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administration, we all know
would not have passed -- right?

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Would not have gotten through
the veto process in the Security

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Council, most likely.

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And we certainly -- I know, as we met with our Russian and

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Chinese counterparts,
as you said,

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throughout the diplo-speak, everybody was looking at the

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diplo-speak to see if the Russians or the Chinese would

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veto those sanctions, right?

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Moving that process along
through our willingness to

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engage is what broadened the
coalition to the point where the

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toughest sanctions that have
been applied to the country of

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Iran are in place.

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The Press:
Do you believe these are -- you call them the toughest sanctions

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the U.N. has done, and I go back to this because it would seem to

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be an acknowledgement
by the President,

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by the administration, a few
months ago that what you were

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going to get through the United
Nations was going to be adequate

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because you were going to get
Russia and China onboard,

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but in order to
really get stronger,

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you were going to have
to go to other nations.

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Mr. Gibbs:
You certainly may have to.

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But understand this, whether
it's the number of votes or --

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I don't think anybody
in, to use your phrase,

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in the diplo-speak
world would say,

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let's not tighten
those sanctions,

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let's not put a sanction regime
on the country of Iran that is

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greater than what
they face today.

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That's what we did.

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Are they a magic bullet?

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No.

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Only as a result of a number of
initiatives are we ultimately

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going to make --

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The Press:
I'm trying to buttonhole this a little bit and I apologize if it

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sounds like you may think I'm
asking the same question,

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but how long --

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Mr. Gibbs:
That never happens.

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The Press:
How long is this attempt to
get other sanctions basically

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going to --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me get a --

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The Press:
How long of a process is --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me get a better understanding with NSC

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so that we --

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The Press:
Okay.

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And the incident on the border
with the Border Patrol agent and

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the 14-year-old Mexican,
the President --

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was he briefed on this incident?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me check on that.

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I don't know the answer.

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The Press:
You don't know if he's
been briefed on it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know the answer to that.

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I'm sorry, go ahead.

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The Press:
Thank you.

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Does the administration intend
to try to force BP to pay the

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salaries of workers
who are being --

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oil workers who are not being
paid right now because of the moratorium?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, let me get from the -- I think both through legislation

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in terms of unemployment compensation but also

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economically through --
look, I think it is --

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the moratorium is a result of
the accident that BP caused.

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It is an economic loss
for those workers.

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And it is -- those are
claims that BP should pay.

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The Press:
So the White House's
view is that --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
-- BP should pay
the full salaries,

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because unemployment of
course is a fraction of the --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Is a portion of, right.

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The Press:
So they should pay
the full salaries?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We believe it's an economic damage caused by this,

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not unlike losing business at
your bait-and-tackle shop.

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The Press:
And was there any progress during the meeting with

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President Abbas today toward
somehow moving the parties

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closer toward direct
negotiations?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't want to get ahead of what you heard the President and

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Mr. Abbas discuss today.

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The Press:
Robert, on another
-- something you ate?

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(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let's hope that wasn't
something he ate.

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(laughter)

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Let's hope that wasn't
something he ate, yes.

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The Press:
Another oil
workers-related issue.

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When the families of the victims
of the oil rig come here

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tomorrow, what's the President
going to say to them about --

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in their quest to change the law
that limits the amount of money

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that people in their
situation can recover?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry, in terms of -- are you talking about economic --

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oh, you're talking about the --

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The Press:
The oil -- the people
who died on the rig.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me check with
Legislative Affairs on --

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I don't know whether that's in
some of the legislation that's gone up.

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Obviously the President
will express his heartfelt

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condolences for the families of
the 11 that lost their lives the

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very first night
of the explosion,

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and I think is eager to discuss
with them what their family was

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telling them about safety
conditions and what type of

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changes can and must be made
in the regulatory framework to

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ensure that deepwater drilling
that goes forward is done in a

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way that is safe and
not life-threatening.

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The Press:
Does he and the people -- do he and the people around him feel

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that they're sort of the forgotten victims of this whole

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thing after all
that's happened --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I don't think --

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The Press:
-- and that's why
you're having them here?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, Pete, I don't think
they're forgotten.

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I think they are -- they were the very first victims of what

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is a very long and sad tragedy.

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It has changed
the lives of many.

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It changed first the lives
of those 11 families.

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It will do untold economic
and environmental damage.

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It's the largest economic
disaster that this country

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has ever seen.

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They are not -- they're certainly not forgotten.

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The Press:
30 lawmakers wrote Hayward
today on the dividend issue --

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stop paying the dividend.

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And also they wanted to have
them stop the advertising

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campaign that we're
all seeing so much.

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What's your view on
both of those issues?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I don't want to get into the legal obligations that

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-- I would simply reiterate --

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The Press:
You just weighed in on
saying that they should be

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paying claims and --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right, well, let me just -- I'm going to reiterate exactly what

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the President said on
this topic on Friday.

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If you're able to do
any of those things,

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then we better not hear about
the nickel-and-diming of an

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economic claim for a
convenience store owner,

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for a commercial fisherman,
for an out-of-work driller.

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The company's
responsibility is to make --

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is to pay for the damages
that this accident caused.

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The Press:
So should the company at all
be concerned about pension funds

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that may be relying
on this dividend,

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or is that not part
of their purview?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm way over the tips of
my skis on the economics of

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pension funds.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Do you expect this to be the last word from the United

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Nations Security
Council on Iran,

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meaning these are the toughest
sanctions you can get and

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they're the ones that are
going to achieve the most --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I can talk to the
NSC guys on that.

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00:23:26,433 --> 00:23:32,263
I think this represents, again,
a broad coalition that has

470
00:23:32,266 --> 00:23:37,996
placed the toughest series of
sanctions ever on the country of Iran.

471
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,770
The Press:
To those who might wonder if in the process of obtaining yes

472
00:23:41,767 --> 00:23:43,637
votes from China and Russia
you had to water them down,

473
00:23:43,633 --> 00:23:44,863
you would say what?

474
00:23:44,867 --> 00:23:47,097
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, if you didn't have
yes votes we wouldn't have

475
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:48,170
any sanctions.

476
00:23:48,166 --> 00:23:51,236
It's a fairly moot argument.

477
00:23:51,233 --> 00:23:54,433
Again, I'd go back to where we
were not just the first day of

478
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:57,803
the administration -- I think certainly into the fall --

479
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,970
what's going to happen, where
are these two countries going to

480
00:23:59,967 --> 00:24:03,037
come out on this resolution.

481
00:24:03,033 --> 00:24:06,263
Vetoing this resolution would
mean no additional sanctions.

482
00:24:06,266 --> 00:24:10,466
Because of our
willingness to engage,

483
00:24:10,467 --> 00:24:13,967
because of the President's
personal willingness to get

484
00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:17,137
heavily involved in
the diplomacy of this,

485
00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:20,433
and through the efforts of
Secretary of State Clinton,

486
00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:24,003
Ambassador Rice, Deputy
Secretary of State Burns,

487
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,800
we broadened the coalition that
allowed the toughest sanctions

488
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,370
to be put in place.

489
00:24:28,367 --> 00:24:31,337
The Press:
As for Congress, now that you've achieved this at the Security

490
00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:35,363
Council, do you still want
Congress to hold off on its

491
00:24:35,367 --> 00:24:36,697
approach to sanctions,
or are you now more --

492
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:38,770
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me talk to -- I don't
know the answer to that from

493
00:24:38,767 --> 00:24:39,697
Legislative Affairs.

494
00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:42,870
The Press:
Quickly on BP, yesterday Interior Secretary Salazar said

495
00:24:42,867 --> 00:24:46,767
that not only would
the Gulf be cleaned up,

496
00:24:46,767 --> 00:24:52,637
but it would be in a better
condition than it was before the spill.

497
00:24:52,633 --> 00:24:53,333
Does the President
believe that --

498
00:24:53,333 --> 00:24:53,903
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

499
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:54,870
The Press:
-- and is that the
President's personal goal?

500
00:24:54,867 --> 00:24:55,397
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

501
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,770
The Press:
How does he define "better?"

502
00:24:56,767 --> 00:25:03,367
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I don't -- I think there's no doubt that the

503
00:25:03,367 --> 00:25:07,767
environmental degradation that happened as a result of Katrina

504
00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:10,167
was significant.

505
00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:14,696
The discussion about building
berms and barrier islands is

506
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:22,100
because what was once there
to stop storm surge from --

507
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:26,000
that would prevent oil from
coming to different parts of the

508
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
marsh are gone.

509
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,300
You've seen wetlands -- I forget what percentage of wetlands

510
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:36,500
we've seen that have been destroyed not as a result of

511
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:41,830
this oil spill, but over
years and years and years of degradation.

512
00:25:41,834 --> 00:25:43,364
The Press:
Right, and some decisions
made by the Army Corps

513
00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:44,137
of Engineers --

514
00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:44,733
Mr. Gibbs:
Right.

515
00:25:44,734 --> 00:25:49,704
We had a process in terms of -- as it related to Katrina and as

516
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:54,000
it related to Gulf restoration that was ongoing before this to

517
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,470
improve where we were, quite frankly, the day before all this happened.

518
00:25:58,467 --> 00:26:01,967
So, yes, the President believes
that the ecosystem involved --

519
00:26:01,967 --> 00:26:04,737
The Press:
-- just clean up the
coastline, but to rework it --

520
00:26:04,734 --> 00:26:08,564
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, this is -- it's
a little bit --

521
00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:11,397
if you go camping, you leave the
area that you camped in a little

522
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,330
bit better than you found it.

523
00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:14,863
I think that's the goal
that the President has.

524
00:26:14,867 --> 00:26:17,097
The Press:
To pick up on the President's colorful metaphor,

525
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:21,070
you said kicking the
government and BP --

526
00:26:21,066 --> 00:26:23,366
can you give us a practical
example of when that's happened

527
00:26:23,367 --> 00:26:24,797
and how that came about?

528
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,970
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I'll give you just the most recent two examples,

529
00:26:27,967 --> 00:26:31,267
which are claims and vessels
directives in order to ensure

530
00:26:31,266 --> 00:26:38,496
that we have in claims a
transparent process that works

531
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:42,170
for those in the states of
the Gulf that have seen their

532
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:46,736
economic livelihoods damaged
as a result of this accident;

533
00:26:46,734 --> 00:26:51,534
the directive that was
also given to them today.

534
00:26:51,533 --> 00:26:56,763
As we have a -- the
top cap, obviously,

535
00:26:56,767 --> 00:27:00,937
is taking some amount of oil in.

536
00:27:00,934 --> 00:27:09,064
There are other things that can
be added and will become online

537
00:27:09,066 --> 00:27:11,966
that will allow us to
get more of that oil.

538
00:27:11,967 --> 00:27:14,437
We have to have a
system on the surface,

539
00:27:14,433 --> 00:27:18,403
as we add the things that
Secretary Chu and others in the

540
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,130
scientific community from the
national labs have pushed BP to

541
00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:27,663
do, namely -- one example
being the choke and kill lines,

542
00:27:27,667 --> 00:27:31,397
which on a normal riser pipe
would run parallel to --

543
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,530
it's what forces mud into
a blowout preventer that's

544
00:27:34,533 --> 00:27:37,963
ultimately capped with cement.

545
00:27:37,967 --> 00:27:41,137
Obviously, those are not
normally used as production for

546
00:27:41,133 --> 00:27:42,163
additional oil.

547
00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:45,966
We believe and we have believed
that that is a possibility and

548
00:27:45,967 --> 00:27:47,737
should be used.

549
00:27:47,734 --> 00:27:53,364
The directive for ships on the
surface is to when we are ready

550
00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:56,237
to do that, we have
the capability,

551
00:27:56,233 --> 00:28:00,203
as well as adding the Q4000 and
increasing its capability to

552
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,800
burn off oil and gas that's
coming up through the top cap mechanism.

553
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,030
The Press:
And these examples would represent, at least in part,

554
00:28:06,033 --> 00:28:08,763
an angry President
picking up a phone and --

555
00:28:08,767 --> 00:28:12,337
Mr. Gibbs:
These would represent the continued response of the

556
00:28:12,333 --> 00:28:17,363
government to ensure that BP
does all that it can to cap the

557
00:28:17,367 --> 00:28:20,597
leak, to deal with the economic
and environmental devastation

558
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,730
that's been caused by the
accident on April 20th.

559
00:28:23,734 --> 00:28:24,804
Yes.

560
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,870
The Press:
On Abbas, Robert, is it fair
to characterize or accurate to

561
00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:30,897
characterize the meeting as
mostly on Gaza and not mostly

562
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,800
on proximity talks?

563
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,230
Mr. Gibbs:
I did not talk directly with those that were in the meeting.

564
00:28:35,233 --> 00:28:37,003
I can get a readout on that.

565
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,170
My sense is that both of
those topics were covered --

566
00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:44,166
based on what the President
said -- extensively.

567
00:28:44,166 --> 00:28:49,196
The Press:
And then on BP, it looks like there are eight members of the

568
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,130
board of directors, not
including the six who are also

569
00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:56,303
executives of the company and
serve on the board, as well.

570
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,500
Does the President plan
-- does the President --

571
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:00,470
do you think or does the
President think that it would

572
00:29:00,467 --> 00:29:02,437
make any difference if the
President actually called

573
00:29:02,433 --> 00:29:05,063
one of these people?

574
00:29:05,066 --> 00:29:08,136
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, we are --

575
00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:09,333
The Press:
I've got the names right here.

576
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:12,163
Mr. Gibbs:
The iPad is a wonderful invention, Michael.

577
00:29:12,166 --> 00:29:15,436
(laughter)

578
00:29:15,433 --> 00:29:21,663
Again, our government --
Thad Allen, Secretary Chu,

579
00:29:21,667 --> 00:29:26,037
Secretary Salazar, Tracy Wareing is meeting with BP today as part

580
00:29:26,033 --> 00:29:30,433
of the meeting with Thad
Allen, that are in constant

581
00:29:30,433 --> 00:29:34,363
communication with and pushing BP to do what is necessary.

582
00:29:34,367 --> 00:29:37,037
The Press:
Robert, a couple
more BP questions.

583
00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:40,063
You said the President is eager
to talk with the families of the

584
00:29:40,066 --> 00:29:42,866
victims about the
safety conditions.

585
00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:46,167
What kinds of questions
does he want answered?

586
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:48,836
And does this kind of put him
in the role of factfinder,

587
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:51,534
in a way, when there's a
criminal investigation going on?

588
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:56,303
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, there obviously is -- he's not an investigator on behalf of

589
00:29:56,300 --> 00:30:01,700
the Department of Justice, if that was the second part of your question.

590
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,330
Obviously, it's the President's
job to ensure that,

591
00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:09,233
coming out of this disaster,
there's a structure in place

592
00:30:09,233 --> 00:30:15,603
that -- through regulation,
that ensures that these type of

593
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:22,200
accidents don't happen, and that the safety of that equipment is

594
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,170
monitored, and that the actions
that are taken don't jeopardize

595
00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:30,496
those on those rigs doing the
work and jeopardize their safety.

596
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:39,370
He will -- look, we've all read and seen interviews with many of

597
00:30:39,367 --> 00:30:46,497
these families, with survivors,
that talk about not only what

598
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,170
happened that night, but we've
obviously heard examples of what

599
00:30:50,166 --> 00:30:53,966
happened -- what has happened leading up to the accident.

600
00:30:53,967 --> 00:30:55,767
The Press:
And then can you talk to
us a little bit about his

601
00:30:55,767 --> 00:30:57,067
trip next week?

602
00:30:57,066 --> 00:30:58,866
What does he intend to
do while he's there?

603
00:30:58,867 --> 00:31:02,437
What can he learn on this trip
and why does he think he needs

604
00:31:02,433 --> 00:31:03,433
to go back?

605
00:31:03,433 --> 00:31:05,133
And what can he learn that
he doesn't already know?

606
00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:12,003
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, this trip will take us to the three additional Gulf states

607
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,100
that have now been affected
by oil hitting their land.

608
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:20,300
Likely stop in Gulfport,
Mississippi --

609
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:24,430
there's a Coast Guard facility
there; in Theodore, Alabama,

610
00:31:24,433 --> 00:31:30,063
which is just south of Mobile
and inside of Mobile Bay,

611
00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:38,836
which is a large staging area
for many aspects of the surface

612
00:31:38,834 --> 00:31:44,664
response, including storage
for and cleaning of boom.

613
00:31:44,667 --> 00:31:46,667
Obviously when oil comes
into contact with boom,

614
00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:48,937
it becomes a hazardous material.

615
00:31:48,934 --> 00:31:51,834
Part of the function of
this facility, among many,

616
00:31:51,834 --> 00:31:58,664
is to clean and ultimately stage
back on ships for repositioning that boom.

617
00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:00,297
I think we talked
about a stop --

618
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,800
I don't know if it's
been confirmed --

619
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000
in Orange Beach, Alabama,
another place that has been

620
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,300
impacted by oil onshore.

621
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:11,900
As well as a stop likely
in Pensacola, Florida,

622
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:16,770
Escambia County, the westernmost
Panhandle county that is

623
00:32:16,767 --> 00:32:21,597
beginning to also
see oil wash ashore.

624
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,100
I think in each one of these,
he's going to meet with --

625
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,370
he will see Coast Guard
officials about the --

626
00:32:27,367 --> 00:32:30,037
and response officials about the
steps that are being taken to

627
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:37,803
respond to, as you've
heard Admiral Allen say,

628
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:43,630
oil that has broken up and gone
in many directions and provides

629
00:32:43,633 --> 00:32:47,933
unique challenges to the
environment in each of these places.

630
00:32:47,934 --> 00:32:53,334
Obviously along parts of the
Panhandle, you've got --

631
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:57,203
in Florida, you've got beaches;
in places like Mobile Bay,

632
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,830
you have some of the richest
estuaries in the country --

633
00:33:00,834 --> 00:33:05,704
efforts that are being taken
environmentally to stop the flow

634
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:11,570
of oil into and onto those
areas; meet with locals,

635
00:33:11,567 --> 00:33:14,567
meet with elected officials that
are on the ground about the

636
00:33:14,567 --> 00:33:23,967
cleanup and, again, hear from
those impacted economically by

637
00:33:23,967 --> 00:33:24,937
this disaster.

638
00:33:24,934 --> 00:33:29,904
Obviously if you think about the
pictures that we're all seeing

639
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:34,870
on the television, obviously
you've got oil going into

640
00:33:34,867 --> 00:33:37,337
marshland in Louisiana.

641
00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:42,163
You've got -- along
Mississippi and Alabama,

642
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:45,896
you've got a couple of different types of environmental aspects

643
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,000
that you're dealing with
-- again, like I said,

644
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
estuaries in some place, recreational beaches in others.

645
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,130
And then along the Panhandle
of Florida, you've got more --

646
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:57,433
what everyone thinks of as
places where you go in the late

647
00:33:57,433 --> 00:33:59,603
spring and summer.

648
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,830
The challenges across those vary
based on the type of place,

649
00:34:03,834 --> 00:34:07,704
and the economic damages
incurred by those are different

650
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,930
based on whether you own a hotel
or whether you're a commercial

651
00:34:10,934 --> 00:34:18,304
fisherman, as well as those that
are evaluating and seeing what

652
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,830
possible environmental impact
something like this could have.

653
00:34:20,834 --> 00:34:22,264
The Press:
Will he be making more trips?

654
00:34:22,266 --> 00:34:24,036
Are we going to -- I know
you don't like the Katrina

655
00:34:24,033 --> 00:34:27,403
comparison, but his predecessor made eight trips to the region

656
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,700
after Katrina.

657
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:34,100
Mr. Gibbs:
You now have the full -- you now have from me the full course of

658
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:38,870
planning as I know of right now.

659
00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:41,537
The Press:
About the time the President was meeting with President Abbas,

660
00:34:41,533 --> 00:34:44,163
Israel announced it's lifting
some of the restrictions on what

661
00:34:44,166 --> 00:34:47,336
goes into Gaza, including,
according to the wire write-up,

662
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:51,803
potato chips, spices and sodas,
but no concrete, no steel.

663
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,830
When the President talks about
trying to improve infrastructure

664
00:34:54,834 --> 00:34:57,464
and repair shelters
and build schools,

665
00:34:57,467 --> 00:35:00,637
how are they going to do that
without the material they need?

666
00:35:00,633 --> 00:35:05,333
Mr. Gibbs:
Look, obviously we are, as you heard the President announce,

667
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:10,333
increasing our aid as the
largest aid contributor to Gaza,

668
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:13,803
and the announcement included
both Gaza and the West Bank.

669
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,470
And we continue to work with
Israel and others in the region

670
00:35:18,467 --> 00:35:22,697
to improve the humanitarian
conditions in Gaza.

671
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:26,070
As the President said -- as
we said last week and as the

672
00:35:26,066 --> 00:35:28,736
President said today, that those are humanitarian conditions that

673
00:35:28,734 --> 00:35:30,804
are simply unsustainable.

674
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,730
The Press:
But potato chips when
they need concrete?

675
00:35:33,734 --> 00:35:38,104
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, part of what we're doing is adding some of those

676
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:43,300
infrastructure needs as we
work with the Israelis on a

677
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:44,430
longer-term solution.

678
00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:46,403
The Press:
Are you allowed to bring in
some of that material, then?

679
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,230
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me double-check
on exactly what --

680
00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:49,933
The Press:
Can I follow up on that,
Robert, and just ask --

681
00:35:49,934 --> 00:35:51,004
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm coming your way.

682
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,270
The Press:
Yesterday Congressman Ed Markey said that because BP initially

683
00:35:54,266 --> 00:35:56,996
underreported the amount of
oil coming from the well,

684
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,600
it had huge consequences in the
amount of boom that was made

685
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,070
available, the amount of
protection given to the workers,

686
00:36:03,066 --> 00:36:05,366
the amount of chemicals
shot into the ocean.

687
00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:07,537
This is a quote: "There were
huge ramifications of BP

688
00:36:07,533 --> 00:36:10,263
deliberately lowballing
the size of the oil spill."

689
00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:13,096
You've always said the response
was in no way tied to the measurement.

690
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,170
So would you dispute
his characterization?

691
00:36:15,166 --> 00:36:20,596
Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I don't know what
he's basing each of these

692
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,700
things off of.

693
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:30,200
Booming is set forth by an
ACP, which is a state plan for

694
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,930
dealing with a disaster.

695
00:36:31,934 --> 00:36:36,164
So, in other words, what has to
be protected along the coastline

696
00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:38,666
of Alabama, what has to be
protected along the coastline of

697
00:36:38,667 --> 00:36:42,837
Louisiana, is determined by
a process instituted by the

698
00:36:42,834 --> 00:36:44,934
governor in each
of those states.

699
00:36:44,934 --> 00:36:50,264
And we have data sheets about
how much their ACP included in

700
00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,696
terms of feet of boom
and how much is in place.

701
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:58,470
In each of those cases --
in those cases right now --

702
00:36:58,467 --> 00:37:02,167
I know in Alabama we're in
excess of what the state plan calls for.

703
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:06,866
So, again, I don't know what
facts and figures Congressman

704
00:37:06,867 --> 00:37:09,697
Markey is using.

705
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:15,230
We used both subsea and surface
dispersants to break up oil,

706
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,103
again, at different depths.

707
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:22,770
That was -- the amount of subsea dispersant is not determined by

708
00:37:22,767 --> 00:37:25,197
the rate of flow.

709
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Look, I think it is very safe
to say that as we have gone on,

710
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:39,970
we have better data and better
technological advances that

711
00:37:39,967 --> 00:37:43,637
allow us to see 5,000
feet below the ocean.

712
00:37:43,633 --> 00:37:47,303
Again, the work that's been done
at the sight of the blowout

713
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,600
preventer and the riser has all
been done remotely by remotely

714
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,630
operated vehicles.

715
00:37:52,633 --> 00:37:55,503
Nobody can walk up to the
blowout preventer as you could

716
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:57,530
in a shallow-water well because
the blowout preventer is on the

717
00:37:57,533 --> 00:37:59,633
surface of the water.

718
00:37:59,633 --> 00:38:04,663
We have seen -- and many
of you all have seen --

719
00:38:04,667 --> 00:38:09,337
enhanced video
that we have used,

720
00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:14,703
working with video technicians
to enhance the view that we now

721
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:16,570
see down there.

722
00:38:16,567 --> 00:38:22,397
So -- and the flow -- the amount of discharged pollution will

723
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,170
ultimately be used to determine the set of fines that is imposed

724
00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:31,536
on BP as a result of the
cause of this accident.

725
00:38:31,533 --> 00:38:34,363
Those numbers -- the flow
rate technical group and the

726
00:38:34,367 --> 00:38:37,267
different teams in the flow rate technical group continue their

727
00:38:37,266 --> 00:38:45,566
work even as we speak to come up with additional pre-riser cut numbers.

728
00:38:45,567 --> 00:38:48,637
We'll also likely see over the
several days and next several

729
00:38:48,633 --> 00:38:53,433
weeks, post-riser-cut numbers.

730
00:38:53,433 --> 00:38:56,463
The Department of Energy and
Interior have also been doing

731
00:38:56,467 --> 00:39:00,467
calculations using pressure
readings that were taken

732
00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:03,967
throughout the process
of the top kill effort,

733
00:39:03,967 --> 00:39:07,997
and as the top cap was
ongoing that allow us to make

734
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,930
estimations -- very good estimations about the increased

735
00:39:11,934 --> 00:39:16,204
flow as a result of the riser cut based on those pressure readings.

736
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,070
So we are -- we will
continually be adding to --

737
00:39:22,066 --> 00:39:25,996
based on the new information and
more enhanced information that

738
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,370
we get, revising flow estimates.

739
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:35,297
But that has not
curtailed the response.

740
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,170
The Press:
Robert, Congress is nearly two months past the deadline for

741
00:39:39,166 --> 00:39:40,966
getting a budget done.

742
00:39:40,967 --> 00:39:42,697
Does the President think
Congress should pass a budget?

743
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:44,830
And is he making any calls or
doing anything to try and --

744
00:39:44,834 --> 00:39:47,534
Mr. Gibbs:
Not that I'm aware of, and I haven't talked to him about it.

745
00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:50,103
The Press:
So the President --
spending is such a big issue.

746
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,400
He's not concerned,
he doesn't care --

747
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,430
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, there's a budget and there's an appropriations

748
00:39:54,433 --> 00:39:58,263
process that has to take place.

749
00:39:58,266 --> 00:40:00,066
The appropriations process in
order for the government to

750
00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:03,466
spend money has to take place
by the end of the fiscal year.

751
00:40:03,467 --> 00:40:05,567
We have to pass a continuing
resolution that allows the

752
00:40:05,567 --> 00:40:06,997
government to function.

753
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,930
That's an ongoing process.

754
00:40:08,934 --> 00:40:09,704
Yes, ma'am.

755
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,470
The Press:
Just back on the relaxation
of restrictions on the border

756
00:40:12,467 --> 00:40:13,697
into Gaza.

757
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,630
Have you guys had a
chance to look at those?

758
00:40:16,633 --> 00:40:18,433
Are they significant?

759
00:40:18,433 --> 00:40:19,803
Mr. Gibbs:
On the Israelis' part?

760
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,630
I will have somebody
from NSC -- I have not,

761
00:40:24,633 --> 00:40:26,563
but I will have somebody -- if they have better information on that.

762
00:40:26,567 --> 00:40:30,997
Yes, April.

763
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,830
The Press:
On hurricane season
in the Gulf Coast,

764
00:40:33,834 --> 00:40:36,804
what specifically is in place?

765
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,430
Because we're now in hurricane
season and there is concern that

766
00:40:39,433 --> 00:40:43,263
if a hurricane does come to the
area that it will spread more so

767
00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,436
the oil that's still gushing.

768
00:40:45,433 --> 00:40:46,433
What's in place?

769
00:40:46,433 --> 00:40:50,533
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, they have -- part of what the vessel directive and the

770
00:40:50,533 --> 00:40:54,003
redundancy will
take into account,

771
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,430
and part of what is going to
be ultimately a longer-term

772
00:40:57,433 --> 00:41:00,833
solution until the
relief well is drilled,

773
00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:08,834
is a different platform apparatus that allows intake of

774
00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:13,204
oil to take place in
different category --

775
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,100
or different intensity storms.

776
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,530
Obviously one of the main
concerns that we have as we

777
00:41:18,533 --> 00:41:24,603
drill the relief well is -- right now the situation is,

778
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,170
as you've heard Admiral
Allen and other say,

779
00:41:26,166 --> 00:41:30,966
precarious because right now
the ships that are out there and

780
00:41:30,967 --> 00:41:33,737
mechanism that is taking
oil from the top --

781
00:41:33,734 --> 00:41:39,104
up through the top cap would
have to be disconnected in the

782
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,930
event of a hurricane.

783
00:41:40,934 --> 00:41:43,934
The Press:
So it's long term, not a
short-term fix right now?

784
00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:45,464
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, there are
several different --

785
00:41:45,467 --> 00:41:48,967
the long-term fix obviously is
the drilling of the relief well.

786
00:41:48,967 --> 00:41:53,297
There are different apparatus
-- I don't know if apparatus --

787
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,730
I don't know if the
plural -- apparati --

788
00:41:54,734 --> 00:42:00,734
I should go back to
pensions and stuff.

789
00:42:00,734 --> 00:42:02,764
There are a whole series of
mechanisms, let's say that,

790
00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:06,837
that have to be -- that are being looked into as to how to

791
00:42:06,834 --> 00:42:09,234
deal with production as
the weather might turn.

792
00:42:09,233 --> 00:42:12,003
The Press:
And on this phone call situation, did the --

793
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,070
Mr. Gibbs:
As the what -- the
what situation?

794
00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:15,296
The Press:
The phone call, this phone
call, this potential,

795
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,130
possible phone call with
Hayward and the President.

796
00:42:17,133 --> 00:42:18,263
Mr. Gibbs:
Oh, oh, oh.

797
00:42:18,266 --> 00:42:20,296
The Press:
Did the White House
inquire about this,

798
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:22,900
or did BP inquire
about a phone call?

799
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:23,670
And how do you --

800
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:24,667
Mr. Gibbs:
Not that I'm aware of.

801
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,897
The Press:
Well, why would -- well, how did it come up that there's a board

802
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,570
that he would have to consult with before he would talk to the President?

803
00:42:30,567 --> 00:42:34,497
Mr. Gibbs:
That's just, as you understand the corporate governance

804
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:39,200
structure, again, the CEO plays
a role but the way their board

805
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,900
is devised, the chairman of the
board and the board okay what

806
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:44,200
happens by the CEO.

807
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,600
The Press:
Was this an assumption on the White House part or was this --

808
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,330
did you already look
into it and see --

809
00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:50,963
Mr. Gibbs:
I mean, that's just looking
at the corporate structure.

810
00:42:50,967 --> 00:42:51,737
Savannah.

811
00:42:51,734 --> 00:42:53,964
The Press:
Would the President want to meet with Tony Hayward when he's here

812
00:42:53,967 --> 00:42:55,937
next week testifying
before Congress?

813
00:42:55,934 --> 00:42:58,664
Mr. Gibbs:
If I've got any scheduling updates, I'll let you know.

814
00:42:58,667 --> 00:43:00,837
The Press:
Do you see any kind of value
in such a face-to-face meeting?

815
00:43:00,834 --> 00:43:05,834
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, we're in contact with BP about what they

816
00:43:05,834 --> 00:43:06,864
need to do.

817
00:43:06,867 --> 00:43:08,337
The Press:
Not to belabor the
point, but just --

818
00:43:08,333 --> 00:43:11,433
I mean there is some
value, isn't there,

819
00:43:11,433 --> 00:43:13,903
to have the President speak
personally to Tony Hayward,

820
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:14,930
whether in person
or on the phone,

821
00:43:14,934 --> 00:43:16,904
because he might
leave an impression,

822
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,870
some of these
frustrations you have.

823
00:43:18,867 --> 00:43:19,467
I mean --

824
00:43:19,467 --> 00:43:22,567
Mr. Gibbs:
I think he's -- I don't know
if he watches NBC, Savannah.

825
00:43:22,567 --> 00:43:25,137
I don't know if that's
what you're getting at.

826
00:43:25,133 --> 00:43:34,833
I think he -- I think he knows that the frustration that many

827
00:43:34,834 --> 00:43:39,504
people have throughout the Gulf.

828
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:40,270
Yes, ma'am.

829
00:43:40,266 --> 00:43:42,966
The Press:
Did the President make any
phone calls after last night's

830
00:43:42,967 --> 00:43:44,297
election results?

831
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:44,970
Mr. Gibbs:
No that I'm aware of yet.

832
00:43:44,967 --> 00:43:48,067
I believe he's supposed to talk
with Senator Lincoln later this

833
00:43:48,066 --> 00:43:51,036
afternoon, and we'll try
and get a readout from that.

834
00:43:51,033 --> 00:43:51,763
George.

835
00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:54,737
The Press:
It was striking earlier in this briefing that the reporters

836
00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:58,664
here, always known
for their decorum,

837
00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:02,337
were not comfortable using the
same word the President used.

838
00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:05,363
Any second thoughts on
his choice of language?

839
00:44:05,367 --> 00:44:07,337
And is that appropriate
language for a President?

840
00:44:07,333 --> 00:44:11,033
Mr. Gibbs:
I just want the transcript to reflect that Ed was a little

841
00:44:11,033 --> 00:44:12,363
nervous about this.

842
00:44:12,367 --> 00:44:14,197
Jake, not so much.

843
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,170
(laughter)

844
00:44:15,166 --> 00:44:24,166
Just so that the -- no, I've
not heard any regrets about the language.

845
00:44:24,166 --> 00:44:26,766
The Press:
Any complaints on
the complaint line?

846
00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:28,837
Mr. Gibbs:
I missed my hour, so I don't --

847
00:44:28,834 --> 00:44:30,604
(laughter)

848
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,300
I thought that's
what was I doing here.

849
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:32,930
(laughter)

850
00:44:32,934 --> 00:44:33,764
Yes, sir.

851
00:44:33,767 --> 00:44:37,297
The Press:
Congressman Issa has called for the Office of Special Counsel to

852
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:42,630
investigate the conversations
about possible employment that

853
00:44:42,633 --> 00:44:45,263
were made to Senate candidates
alleging that there may have

854
00:44:45,266 --> 00:44:47,566
been a violation
of the Hatch Act.

855
00:44:47,567 --> 00:44:50,767
Can you respond to that, and
also his claim that your defense

856
00:44:50,767 --> 00:44:54,137
of those actions was essentially
saying that you were simply

857
00:44:54,133 --> 00:44:55,833
doing business as usual?

858
00:44:55,834 --> 00:44:59,734
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think the latter question we've talked about.

859
00:44:59,734 --> 00:45:06,734
On the first question, the
Counsel's Office has looked into

860
00:45:06,734 --> 00:45:12,734
each of these circumstances
and determined that nothing

861
00:45:12,734 --> 00:45:16,234
inappropriate happened, and
that's what we believe.

862
00:45:16,233 --> 00:45:16,903
Bill.

863
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,930
The Press:
Robert, back to Arkansas
for just a second.

864
00:45:20,934 --> 00:45:23,404
A senior White House official
called reporters last night and

865
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,000
said after the
results were known,

866
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,400
"Organized labor just flushed
$10 million of their members'

867
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,070
money down the toilet in
a pointless exercise."

868
00:45:33,066 --> 00:45:36,236
Is it the official word from the
White House on the results of

869
00:45:36,233 --> 00:45:37,763
the Arkansas primary?

870
00:45:37,767 --> 00:45:42,197
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't think that the President would necessarily agree with

871
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,170
that characterization
made by somebody here.

872
00:45:47,166 --> 00:45:55,766
I think we would certainly agree
that we are likely to have very

873
00:45:55,767 --> 00:46:01,337
close elections in very many
places throughout the country in November.

874
00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:04,863
And while the President might
not have agreed with the exact

875
00:46:04,867 --> 00:46:11,267
characterization, I think that
whether or not that money might

876
00:46:11,266 --> 00:46:16,736
have been better spent in the
fall on closer elections between

877
00:46:16,734 --> 00:46:21,404
somebody -- between people
who cared about an agenda that

878
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,170
benefited working families
and those that didn't,

879
00:46:24,166 --> 00:46:26,966
that money might come
in more handy then.

880
00:46:26,967 --> 00:46:29,937
The Press:
I assume the President now would want to reach out to those who

881
00:46:29,934 --> 00:46:31,364
were supporting
Bill Halter and say,

882
00:46:31,367 --> 00:46:33,037
please get behind
Blanche Lincoln,

883
00:46:33,033 --> 00:46:34,603
she's going to be our nominee.

884
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,830
Is that the way to reach
out to Halter's supporters,

885
00:46:36,834 --> 00:46:39,034
by accusing them of flushing
money down the toilet?

886
00:46:39,033 --> 00:46:44,263
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think that everybody that supported one of the

887
00:46:44,266 --> 00:46:48,636
Democrats will have
an obligation to now,

888
00:46:48,633 --> 00:46:53,663
as the President would, and has,
in races that the nominee he has

889
00:46:53,667 --> 00:46:59,267
supported hasn't won, now
support the Democratic nominee.

890
00:46:59,266 --> 00:46:59,896
Thanks, guys.