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Well, hello everyone, welcome to a...

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to the presentation of ten years Alemannic Wikipedia,

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I will give a short overview of

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the Alemannic Wikipedia, the history

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of the last ten years, and afterwards

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the award ceremony of the third

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Alemannic writing contest, of the third

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WikiConcours will take place here, and we will also a...

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... the winner article will be read out, too.

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What is the Alemannic Wikipedia?

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Here I have a map of Central Europe

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and there I have drawn in all languages, 

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small, regional languages, dialects which

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aren't official written languages, or

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at least not the most important official written language,

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and in which a Wikipedia exists. And as one can see here,

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in the very centre of Europe lies "als", the Alemannic

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language area, it's reaching over six European countries,

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France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria,

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Liechtenstein, and Italy, and we had

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in the last ten years indeed authors

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from all these six countries.

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On this page there's a short overview

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of the ten years. The Alemannic Wikipedia started in 2003

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as Alsatian Wikipedia. It was an Alsatian from Strasbourg,

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back then, he had asked on the mailing list

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if it were possible to have a Wikipedia

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in his native language, in Alsatian...

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immediately there started, as always with Wikipedians,

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a heated discussion: do we now also need

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Wikipedia in dialects and so on, and 

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Jimmy Wales himself then said "Yes, we'll do that."

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And so, on November 13, 2003, the

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Alsatian Wikipedia went online.

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I hope the camera finds me when I walk around (laughs)

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However, not a lot happened in the first year

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and after a year this Alsatian Wikipedia

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was discovered by other authors, other Wikipedians

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who came not from Alsace, but

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from South Baden, from the Allgäu, from Switzerland,

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and they asked if it were possible

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for them to participate.

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And this led to an exciting discussion.

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Immediately there was the question, well, who may particiapte,

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should all the Alemannic dialects, do we need

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then an Alemannic written language at all...

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and over the years there were many dialects

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used in a great variety of articles.

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And today we have articles from

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all the dialect areas of the Alemannic language area.

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As early as 2005 there were first media reports,

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the "Badische Zeitung" started it back then,

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over the years there were more newspapers

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reporting on the Alemannic Wikipedia.

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In 2006 the first author's meetup took place,

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it's shown here, I don't want to read it out in detail

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what happened in detail,

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I will go further into some of these items later.


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Maybe regarding the... regarding Johann Peter Hebel,

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Johann Peter Hebel is considered the author

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who for the first... not for the first time used

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Alemannic dialects in poetry, but with him came the breakthrough

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for dialect literature in the German-speaking area.

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And in 2010 was his 250th birthday and we had

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for a month many activities for the birthday

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of Johann Peter Hebel. In 2011,

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on the occasion of the ten-thousandth article there was the

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first writing contest, and now on occasion of the tenth

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anniversary we also had for a month activities

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around the anniversary.

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One of these is here in this moment.

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Why has the Alemannic Wikipedia the abbreviation "als"?

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"als" is the language code for Tosk Albanian, that is

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a regional dialect of Albanian, it means

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"Albanian South" and just not the language code

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for Alemannic. Now, in 2003 the

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Language Committee wasn't founded yet,

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the use of the language code wasn't

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mandatory, the use of the ISO 639 code,

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and back then no code for Alsatian existed.

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There was "gsw" for Schwyzerdütsch [Swiss German], but

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back then Alsatian was expressly not included.

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And so quickly arose the idea:

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well, let's take "als" and if the

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speakers of Tosk Albanian some day also want their

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Wikipedia, well then we think

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of something else. Nowadays, since 2008, there

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are four language codes for different Alemannic regions,

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there is "gsw", that is for

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Schwyzerdütsch [Swiss German], for Alsatian and for the

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dialects in South Baden,

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there is an individual language code for Swabian,

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an individual language code for Walserdütsch [Walser German],

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and there is an individual language code for the

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Colonia Tovar in Venezuela. However, this is not

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the classification of linguists for

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Alemannic dialects. According to the

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present rules of the language code one could

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create these four Wikipedias if users wanted to,

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we also have written a proposal to the SIL

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in Canada to change the language codes,

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because they don't reflect the state of scientific knowledge,

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they refused this right away...

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... and however, not long ago on the Incubator there

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was a decision: There was one who wanted to start a Swabian

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Wikipedia, and there it was

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decided on the Incubator that all these articles


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will be imported to us, and on the Incubator

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this Swabian Wikipedia was closed then.

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Anyway we always had much more Swabian

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articles. And a real language code

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for all Alemannic dialects doesn't exist to this day.

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What are the peculiarities of the spelling of

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articles in Alemannic? There is no standardized

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written language, there is no standardized spelling,

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no standardized grammar, no standardized

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vocabulary. That doesn't mean there are no rules,

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the rules of the dialects are relatively

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clearly recognizable, they are however in the various

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dialects very... possibly very

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varying. There are rather few commonalities

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applying to all Alemannic dialects which are not also

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common to other German dialects such as Bavarian or Palatine German

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or the like. What are we doing now?

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Basically, everyone writes an article in his

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own dialect and if someone wants to correct an article

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or if he wants to add something,

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there is the possibility of him simply writing in his own

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dialect, and this means

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in the dialect may... eh, the dialect in the article

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change. The second possibility is: he rewrites

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the article in his dialect. This we have...

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but we have rather limited this possibility,

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this means: Only if the article is really

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made from a small stub to a big

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article, then it's possible to

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change the dialect. Otherwise the dialects

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of other authors should be respected. Here I have

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an example for spelling variants.

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There once was an author from the Swabian area,

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he had written on his talk page this

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sentence here on the top, this question,

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because he felt that the Swabian was that different

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from the German language that he absolutely

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had to invent his own characters, to represent the

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specific Swabian speech sounds. Below I have

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transcribed this into a spelling which is more common

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in Swabian dialect literature, so

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maybe it's more comprehensible that way. We

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decided sometime not to allow

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such own inventions, for

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Wikipedia has the basic rule "No original research"

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and applied to the spelling of Alemannic

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dialects we say: Spellings are only allowed

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if they also occur outside Wikipedia.

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Because there are many different dialects

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and the term Alemannic doesn't convey meaning to all,

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for example in Alsace

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or in Switzerland are the terms Al...

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is the term Alemannic not very common,

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the Swiss are talking rather of Schwyzerdütsch [Swiss German]

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and the Alsatians of Elsässisch [Alsatian]. Because of this

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sometime we started to present the main page,

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the start page in four different dialects

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and we change this on a weekly basis.

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I also have summarized a small statistic

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in which dialects the articles are written,

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today we have 15600 articles or the like,

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I don't know the current number right now.

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As shown here, the articles written by Swiss form

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about the half, from Germany about a third,

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and the other countries... I have really subdivided

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this only by country... so there are,

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from Austria and Liechtenstein there are considerably less.

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Maybe a short comment regarding Italy,

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in Italy there are a few villages which

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were populated in the Middle Ages from the Wallis,

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Walser villages, and there are still

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a few speakers of these Walser dialects, and from

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one of these villages there's an author who

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wrote some articles for us.

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Because there is no standardized written language in Alemannic,

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we have another peculiarity,

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we create articles under the Standard German

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lemma, and then a javascript template

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is superimposing an Alemannic artic...

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eh... superimposing an Alemannic title.

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At the bottom of the chart its visible, it's the article

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Strasbourg, it's there under the German

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lemma "Strassburg", but superimposed is

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the Alsatian "Strossburi".

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All in all, about a quarter of these

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articles, a quarter of the articles has such a

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dialect template... no, I'm saying the wrong thing,

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the dialect template, that's a different thing,

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one can label in which dialect an article

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is written, and in a quarter of the articles

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it's labeled, this article is in Alsatian,

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in Swiss German or whatever the description is.

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In the other articles, these are often also written

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in a specific dialect, but it's not labeled there.

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And we don't have a "related to Switzerland" rule such as

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the German Wikipedia has, that means here one may

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use "scharf-s" [Eszett] in articles pertaining to Switzerland,

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and in Articles pertaining to Germany,

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one may use "double s". That's completely

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irrelevant to us, as the author determines with his dialect

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and with his spelling variant how he wants to write.

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in general, of the Alemannic in particular is

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that, if you look in on a relatively regular basis,

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you cann follow through the last changes

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what's happening. You can't read all articles,

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there are too many for that after all, but you can

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follow more or less which authors

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are editing, which articles are created, where

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there are bigger changes or the like. And we have

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in form of the "Stammtisch" [regular's table] a central discussion forum,

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where basically all important discussions

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take place in a central location. No notability guidelines. That's because

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simply for the reason, these notability guidelines were introduced

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in the German-language Wikipedia because there

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was the need to restrict what may be created

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as new articles, well, there are not so many new

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articles here for us to have

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the need to restrict this.

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The only item for... what we have, to exclude

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for example such one sentence bot articles, we do

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delete articles with less than 5 sentences.

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Altogether the discussion culture

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in the Alemannic Wikipedia is fairly friendly, 

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surely that's connected with the fact that there are so

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few people. In ten years we had only

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one single user ban proceeding and that

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was, of all things, an author wo didn't know Alemannic

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but only wrote in Standard German

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and... well, accosted people in an aggressive manner. We have a rule

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that, after a year of inactivity,

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administrators lose their permission, but an admin vote out

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or something like a reelection we also never had.

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Today, there are, I think, eight

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administrators or so, I don't know...

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We also activated Flagged Reviews, with the

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abuse filter to counter such... IP edits, we

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experimented, however we discovered that

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too many serious contributions were excluded,

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we then deactived most. 

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On the whole one can say that we have a clear

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focus on regional subjects,

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around half of the articles has a

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regional subject, there are in fact

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better articles for some subjects than in

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the German Wikipedia, not just longer,

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but, I think, really better ones with regards to content,

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for example for the Romansh language,

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there the article is certainly very much better than

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in the German Wikipedia.

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Here's the place to say: For regional subjects

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own knowledge may be used to a certain extent,

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there we simply say, for some subjects

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an author wo lives at the place

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just knows it, maybe in his... 

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may be able to inquire in his environment, and then

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we're believing him. That doesn't mean we allow

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subjective assessments, but simply for facts we 

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allow some original research.

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In narrow confines.

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Ideally regional subjects should be written

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in regional dialect, that's what we 

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imagine for the long term, but it's not so today,

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but I don't know how many subjects really are

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in a regional dialect today.

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And there are around 623 articles which exist only here

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and in no other language version.

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In these ten years, many debates were caused

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by the question of how the Alemannic Wikipedia should

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distinguish itself from the big language versions with regards to content,

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of course especially from the German one.

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On the one hand the question: Should we translate articles?

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On the other hand the question also regarding vocabulary,

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should we adopt technical terms from science

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for example from German,

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or should we create projects to create

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our own Alemannic technical terms.

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These debates existed at the beginnung, these are all

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settled by now, because the common language use

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in the Alemannic language area is just

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that words from German or from English

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or from French are adopted, that's just

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today's reality of Alemannic.

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There are translations... well,

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around a quarter of the articles are translations,

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mainly from German. And we 

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label them with our own template, 

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we don't import versions,

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but we have our own version...

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eh, template, where there is a link to the

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version history of the German article.

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Now to the subject of bot articles!

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I didn't mention it in the previous discussion.

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Around ten percent of the articles were created by script,

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by bot, and then further expanded by hand.

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It's a similar issue

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wie auf dieser westfriesischen Wikipedia.
like on this West Frisian Wikipedia.

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So, there are ten percent of the articles, but they

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haven't remained as created by the bot.

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And they are mainly

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municipalities from the Alemannic language area.

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Something special in the Alemannic

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Wikipedia: We have these side projects,

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Wikinews, Wikisource, Wikibooks

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and so on, we integrated them

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as their own namespaces. The experience

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was simply, after some years: There was

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an Alemannic Wiktionary, but there was

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nobody active. And as well there was an Alemannic

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Wikibooks, and we said, that's not worth it at all

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us all dissipating our energies there

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and we're rather doing that in one project,

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have own namespaces for that and we have

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the focus on Alemannic subject matter as well.

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That means, the Alemannic Wikt... eh, Wikinews,

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this isn't news of the world written in 

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Alemannic, but here we collect

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news pertaining to Alemannic dialects.

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And in Wikisource so we have

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dialect literature and so on.

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There are meetups since 2006. Here I have

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drawn on a map when and where which

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meetups took place. One sees - the longer I study

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this map, the more striking I think 

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it is that we have met nearly always only in Switzerland.

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That's connected with the fact

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that many authors, at least for a time, have

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lived in Switzerland, me too, but I live

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not in Switzerland any longer, and

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for... all in all it's clear that it always was

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somehow in the middle. But I see,

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we have to do some meetups there

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in the Swabian area or so, so they'll be able

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to come as well. Yes, in Lörrach, that's again

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in the middle. And here, Karlsruhe

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of course, that's what you're experiencing right now.

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(laughs).

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We had three writing contests since 2011.

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that are connected with the Alemannic.

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That means, we indicate a subject.

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In 2011 this was Alemannic culture, there were

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articles for dialect authors or for

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musical groups, singers who sing in dialect.

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In 2012 it was buildings and structures and now,

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the writing contest in this year was for a subject

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which was relevant in the last ten years.

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The award ceremony will be held afterwards.

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What do we adopt, for example, from the

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German Wikipedia? Usually most templates.

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That means, we create them in way that we 

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Struktur der Vorlage übernehmen, dass wir
adopt the structure of the template, in a way

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that displays the terms of the template

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in Alemannic of course, but you can

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if for example an article about a municipality

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is created, you can copy the infobox from

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the German Wikipedia and use it

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directly, then it will be displayed

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in Alemannic. We have adopted the templates for metadata

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as well, the authority data templates and

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some other things. Here one this page I have

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listed some organisations we had

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contact with, that is to say,

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there is no systematic collaboration, but we

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we are in touch with them. There are also some

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people from these organisations which are active in Wikipedia

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as authors, for example an editor

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of the Swiss German dictionary. He has also

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written articles for us.

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And... eh... the four... below, that are four

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associations who are dedicated to supporting dialects.

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from Germany. On a page, the

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so-called "Ussespiegel", we collect

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comments. I.e. comments we find on the

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Internet regarding the Alemannic Wikipedia,

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because we always want to be clear on what

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readers think of the Alemannic Wikipedia,

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we're collecting comments for 10 years here.

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That is to say, of course we're not collecting copied comments,

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that would be a copyright infringement,

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but we collect links and then you can have

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a look at the comments. And I have made here

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a statistical analysis over the years,

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of pages where the comments can be assigned

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to a date. And these are 

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Blogs, Foren, Facebook, and Twitter, there are many

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more comments on other pages which are just not

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accompanied by a date. And then you can see

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that of course it's rising in the beginning

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but most notably one can see that the

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negative comments, I have grouped this very roughly

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into positive and negative, in the beginning

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in relation... sometime in 2007

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it's a third and from then it's diminishing and

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today there are virtually no

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negative comments left. I think it is very

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remarkable that - I'll be with you shortly - over the years

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apparently the opinion regarding dialect Wikipedias

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in general and the Alemannic one in particular

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has apparently improved.

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Please, a question:

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(Enquirer, muted: Is it possible to say or

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do you know why in 2007 the [incomprehensible]

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was negative [...] Was there something or...)

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No, I don't really know. I suspect

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this is due to the fact that in this time, 2006-2007,

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and in the years after the quality

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of the articles has markedly improved.

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At the beginning often there were also such...

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well, fun articles which described something

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a bit casually. Not really nonsense, but

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just a bit colloquially, casually

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phrased away, and over the years there were

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many debates caused by this, so the articles have become more serious.

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I think that's the reason.

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Still, one outlook. On Wikidata will... there are

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efforts to upload information into the database,

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things like population figures or mayors of municipalities or the like

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and maybe this could be a chance

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especially for us but also for many other

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language versions, to update articles, because there

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is of course, as we are so few active ones, 

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there are maybe ten to twenty active authors who

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really contribute on a regular basis... we have

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the problem that articles which were written 5 years

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ago may no longer be on our radar,

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that we have to update them.

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And maybe through Wikidata there will be

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... the potential to get them updated.

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It's planned, but not yet implemented.

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Thank you. [Applause]