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Mr. Carney:
Okay. Welcome to
the White House.

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I have no announcements.

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I am here to answer
your questions.

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Mr. Feller.

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The Press:
Thanks, Jay.

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A lot to cover on
the fiscal cliff.

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I just want to focus on
the tax rates portion.

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During the election, repeatedly,
and then after the election in

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his first extended comments the
President underscored again his

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central promise to the American
people that tax rates have to go

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up on households
making over $250,000.

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In the East Room he said, I'm
not going to ask students and

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seniors and middle-class
families to pay down the deficit

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while people like me making over
$200,000 aren't asked to pay a

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dime more in taxes.

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Now the White House proposal is
in fact to let people making up

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to $400,000 go without
a tax increase.

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How do you justify
that broken promise?

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Mr. Carney:
Well, I certainly
wouldn't put it that way.

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I would say that the
President, demonstrating --

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The Press:
You wouldn't call
it a broken promise?

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Mr. Carney:
-- his desire --
no, I would not.

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I would say that the President,
demonstrating his belief that a

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balanced, large deficit
reduction package is a

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worthwhile goal, has shown
evident willingness to meet

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the Republicans halfway.

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If you think about where he
started, his initial proposal

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from his plan that he put
forward to the so-called super

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committee was to achieve a goal
of $1.6 trillion in revenue.

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He has now come down to
$1.2 trillion, as you know.

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The Republicans started at
$800 trillion and have moved

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up to $1 trillion.

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The President has come halfway.

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He hopes that the
Republicans will do the same.

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That is the essence of
compromise, coming halfway.

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On revenue, the President has
come more than halfway in an

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effort to try to reach an
agreement with the Republicans

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in the House and broadly
in Congress because it's

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the right thing to do.

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But he will not accept a deal
that, in order to protect some

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of the wealthiest Americans from
having their taxes go up, shifts

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the burden unduly onto
seniors and the middle class.

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So the fact that he's willing to
compromise and have rates go up

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on those making $400,000 and
above, as opposed to $250,000

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and above, demonstrates his
good-faith effort here to reach

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a compromise and still have a
package that is balanced and

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asks the wealthiest to pay more,
enacts significant spending

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cuts, and puts us on a
fiscally sustainable path.

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I mean, the alternative here,
if you think about it and the

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so-called plan B makes no sense.

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There is an historic opportunity
here to do something that has

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been set as a goal for a long
time in Washington, which is

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reach a bipartisan compromise on
significant deficit reduction on

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the order of $4 trillion when
you take all the pieces of it

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and put them together.

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We are very close to being
able to achieve that, and the

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President has demonstrated
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compromise and to move more than
halfway towards the Republicans.

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To leave that offer on the
table, including the trillion --

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the $1.22 trillion in spending
cuts that the President has put

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forward because you don't want
to ask someone making $950,000

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a year to pay more in taxes
would be a shame and it would

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be bad policy.

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So the President believes that
the opportunity is there, the

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parameters of a deal are clear,
the path to a compromise is

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clear, and he hopes that the
Republicans will meet him on

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that path and do something
that would be very good for the

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American people, for the middle
class, and for our economy.

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The Press:
Jay, there's another alternative
here, and we're hearing some of

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the members of the President's
party say today, which is that

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for the entire campaign he
talked about raising taxes

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on the top 2 percent.

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He said that was the central
theme and it was adjudicated

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in the election.

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And you talked about it
standing here yesterday,

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the top 2 percent.

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If you go to $400,000,
you're not the top 2 percent,

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you're not even
the top 1 percent.

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It's less than that.

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So isn't the alternative for
him to craft a deal in which

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he stands by his principle
and sticks by his promise?

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Mr. Carney:
The President does have -- did
have a proposal that we have put

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forward that achieves that,
and in an effort to meet the

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Republicans halfway he has put
forward a proposal that still

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asks the wealthiest Americans,
those, in this case, making over

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$400,000, to pay
more in income taxes.

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His overall proposal, by the
way, includes other pieces,

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elements to it to achieve the
revenue goal of $1.2 trillion,

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that includes asking the
wealthiest to pay more

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through cap deductions
and other reforms.

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But the point I'm making I
think is consistent with your

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question, which is, yes, he has
demonstrated a willingness to

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move towards the Republicans
in order to achieve a deal,

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but do so in a way that
maintains his principles.

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And the alternative, the
fallback, so-called plan B

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that's been put out there
achieves nothing like what

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a bigger deal would do and
it would -- you would lose,

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by just cutting taxes -- by just
extending current law for those

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making under a million dollars,
you would lose hundreds of

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billions of dollars of revenue
relative to the decoupling the

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President has proposed.

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And most of that money, or a
significant portion of that

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money if not most, would go to
millionaires, because everybody

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gets -- when you extend tax cuts
for those making under $250,000

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or those making under $400,000,
everybody who makes more than

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that benefits from
those tax cuts, right?

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If you only extend -- if
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everybody making up to a million
dollars, that means everybody

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making more than that gets a
significant tax cut on their

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first million
dollars in earning.

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So millionaires, billionaires,
everybody makes a lot of money

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out of this proposal.

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So the proposal essentially is
to give another big tax cut to

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the wealthiest Americans at a
time when we cannot afford it.

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And that, as you saw in my
statement, would not pass

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the Senate.

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You saw Leader Pelosi say that
Democrats would not vote for it.

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It's not a credible alternative.

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If we're not going to do a grand
bargain, a bigger deal, the one

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that the President seeks, then
there's an option to deal with

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the tax portion of this that has
already passed the Senate that

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the House ought to take up.

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And he would certainly support
that as he has said all along.

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The Press:
Last one on this and I'll
let somebody else have a

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run at this.

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You keep making it sound like
the choice is between what the

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President proposed and plan B
that Speaker did, but I keep

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going back to what he said
before he was elected and he

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called the central promise,
which was never $250,000

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until I win, and then we'll
see what they offer and move

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the number up.

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It was $250,000 --

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Mr. Carney:
But, Ben, I don't -- if you're
making the point that he has --

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The Press:
My point is, can't -- is it
the President's view that he

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can't get a big deal
unless he goes up?

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Mr. Carney:
I think that's clear that
the Republicans -- that this

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requires compromise, and that's
why we have moved and reduced

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our revenue target and moved
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The point that the President had
always made is that it is not

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his preferred option, but he
knew that he would have to

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compromise in order to reach an
agreement without sacrificing

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the principles that are clear,
and that is that we have to

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have balance.

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It has to ask the wealthiest
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the burden isn't unduly placed
on seniors and students and

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families who have children
with disabilities and others.

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And that's what his
current proposal maintains

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are those principles.

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And all told, as you
know, the proposal still,

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with its one-to-one -- within
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of revenues to spending cuts,
achieves, combined with the $1.1

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trillion that he signed into law
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last year, close to $4
trillion in deficit reduction.

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And if I could go back to the
first point here -- Republicans

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say their goal is to reduce the
deficit and to reduce spending.

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There is an opportunity
on the table here to

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achieve $1.2 trillion in
additional spending cuts.

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It seems like folly to walk away
from that opportunity because

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you don't want to ask somebody
making $995,000 a year to pay

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a dime more in income taxes.

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It seems like terrible folly.

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And I don't think the American
people would support that.

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Certainly the President
doesn't believe that.

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Did you have something?

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The Press:
I did.

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Mr. Carney:
It seemed like all your
questions had been answered.

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The Press:
They haven't.

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Mr. Carney:
Okay.

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The Press:
My first question is, are
negotiations still active?

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Mr. Carney:
Lines of communication remain open.

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The President continues to
hope that a compromise can be

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reached, as I said at the top.

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The parameters of
a deal are clear.

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When you look at the
offers, proposals and the

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counterproposals, a path
to an agreement is clear.

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And he hopes that the
Republicans will join him on

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that path and achieve this
-- take advantage of this

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opportunity and lock in a plan
that would achieve significant

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deficit reduction, would protect
the middle class, and would help

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our economy.

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So the answer is lines of
communication remain open

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and we hope that this
opportunity is not wasted.

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The Press:
You used that phrase
a lot last week.

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Mr. Carney:
And it was always true.

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The Press:
Right, but does that mean you're
talking and negotiations --

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Mr. Carney:
I don't have any specific
conversations or meetings

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to read out to you.

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But as was the case in the past,
it is the case today that lines

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of communication remain open and
there is an opportunity here.

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And you've clearly seen the
President put forward an offer

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that represents him moving
halfway towards the Republicans

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on revenue and moving more than
halfway to the Republicans on

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spending cuts as part of a
balanced package that still

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adheres to his principles.

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And that's very important.

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And we hope that the Republicans
understand that it would be a

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terrible waste to walk
away from this opportunity.

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The Press:
We've seen some, obviously,
progress since yesterday's

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briefing; I'd just like to ask
the question again: Has the

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shooting in Connecticut affected
the tone at all, and has it

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affected the ability for
both sides to negotiate?

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Mr. Carney:
These are excellent questions
and there's been some good

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reporting on this, but it's
obviously hard to know what the

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impact of an event like that
is on the way that lawmakers

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and others in Washington
approach other issues.

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As the President said
in Newtown, a tragedy as

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unfathomable, unimaginable as
what happened in Newtown reminds

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us of what really matters.

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And he certainly believes that
it is his responsibility -- and

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the responsibility of everyone
here in Washington -- to work

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together to try to do important
things for the American people

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and the American economy.

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And that's on issues related to
gun violence and it's on issues

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related to the economy and
to people's livelihoods.

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So to the extent that an event
like that, as tragic as it is,

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brings us a little closer
together both in the nation

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and in Washington, that
would be a good thing.

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But it's hard to measure
an impact like that.

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The Press:
Jay, as an Illinois state
legislator, the President

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supported quite restrictive gun
measures, but as President he's

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only signed into law legislation
that allows guns in National

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Parks and on Amtrak
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Is he reassessing his more
recent record on gun control?

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Mr. Carney:
Well, the President's positions
have been beyond what you cited

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-- I'm sure that was an
oversight -- but including

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his support for reinstatement
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his support --

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The Press:
But actions versus words --

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Mr. Carney:
-- his support for closing the
so-called gun show loophole,

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which allows people to buy
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the background checks that
are standard when you purchase

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from a retail --

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The Press:
But I'm talking about
what was actually done --

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Mr. Carney:
Let me -- could I finish?

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The Press:
-- not just what he
has said he supports.

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Mr. Carney:
Could I finish?

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Could I finish, Brianna?

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I appreciate it. Thanks.

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It's clear that as a nation we
haven't done enough to address

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the scourge of gun
violence in this country.

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It's a complex problem that
requires more than one solution.

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It calls for not only
reexamining our gun laws

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and how well we enforce them,
but also for engaging mental

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health professionals,
law enforcement officials,

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educators, parents
and communities to

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find those solutions.

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And while, as I said, there's
no one answer to this problem,

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it is clear that we cannot once
again retreat to our separate

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corners and to our stale talking
points, because that inevitably

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leads to an impasse.

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That's why, as I think you
saw reported, the President

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yesterday afternoon had
discussions with members

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of his Cabinet, members
of his senior staff and

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the Vice President to begin
looking for ways -- or at ways

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that the country can
move forward and respond

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to the tragedy in Newtown.

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And I think that if you look
at the Cabinet members the

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President met with -- Secretary
Duncan, Attorney General Holder

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and Secretary Sebelius --
they underscore -- their

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participation underscores the
comprehensive way in which the

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President views this problem.

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So he will, as he said in
Newtown on Sunday night, two

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nights ago, in coming weeks,
engage with the American people;

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engage with lawmakers, with
members of his administration,

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with mental health
professionals, with law

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enforcement officials, with
parents, communities, to try

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to find answers to this problem.

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And that includes his
support for legislation that,

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like the assault weapons
ban, that addresses issues

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of access to guns.

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It will include other issues
that he thinks are part of

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the scourge of gun violence.

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The Press:
But is he right now actively
considering measures, be it gun

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laws or mental health
measures -- right now?

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Mr. Carney:
Well, he is actively supportive
of, for example, Senator

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Feinstein's stated intent to
revive a piece of legislation

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that would reinstate
the assault weapons ban.

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He supports, and would support,
legislation that addresses the

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problem of the so-called
gun show loophole.

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And there are other elements of
gun law -- gun legislation that

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he could support.

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People have talked about
high-capacity gun -- ammunition

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clips, for example, and that
is something certainly that he

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would be interested
in looking at.

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My point is that it
goes beyond that.

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He is heartened, I should
mention, by what we have all

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heard from some members of
Congress who have been long-time

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opponents of gun control
measures, common-sense

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gun control measures
like the assault weapons

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ban and the like.

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He, in fact, not long before I
came out here was on the phone

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with Senator Manchin
discussing just this issue.

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The Press:
So this sounds like very
much a shift from yesterday.

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I mean, there were really
no specifics yesterday,

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and today you're talking
about his support for Senator

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Feinstein's reinstatement.

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You were --

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Mr. Carney:
Brianna, I think I said
yesterday that he supported --

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The Press:
Yesterday you were talking about
his support for the ban, but you

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wouldn't actually say whether
he would support Senator

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Feinstein's effort.

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And today it sounds like
you're saying that he will.

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Mr. Carney:
Well, let me be clear that,
again, we are less than 48 hours

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from the President's
participation in the vigil.

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The Press:
But he supports her
legislation initiatives?

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Mr. Carney:
And the President is moving
forward, as he said he would,

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in having discussions here at
the White House with members

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of his team, having discussions
moments ago with Senator Manchin

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and others who have introduced
important ideas about how we can

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move forward and whose decision
to break from past positions and

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-- in how they look at this is
heartening, and perhaps harbors

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an opportunity to move
forward in a constructive way.

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But we are still
early in a process.

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And I just want to be clear
that, in addition to his support

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for a renewal of the assault
weapons ban, which has long been

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stated and if it does take form
in legislation that Senator

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Feinstein introduces, then that
would obviously be something

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that would win his support,
but it goes beyond that.

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His view is that we need to
address this in a way that,

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as I said yesterday,
acknowledges that no

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single piece of legislation, no
single restriction on access to

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a certain type of weapon will
solve this problem and that we

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need to address it more broadly.

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The Press:
Sure, but why the change?

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Because -- I mean, he
hadn't even said "gun"

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in his public comments.

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And then you have, for
instance, Republicans like

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Steve LaTourette talking about
a majority of Republicans --

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this is what he told us
today -- being open to

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discussing gun control.

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Did the President feel
like he was behind on this?

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Mr. Carney:
I think you're trying to turn
this into, like, a political

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theater thing.

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That's not how the
President views it.

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He went to Newtown in his role
as President and met with family

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members of victims.

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He met with first responders and
with others in that community,

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and then he spoke to that
community, and tried to convey

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the grief and the pain that the
American people are feeling and

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share with those who
are suffering so deeply

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in Connecticut.

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And at that time he spoke about
the fact that we cannot tolerate

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these kinds of tragedies and
that we have to act, and it

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would be unforgivable not to try
to take steps that address the

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problem, that address our
fundamental responsibility to

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take care of our children
in the first instance.

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And he is, as he said and true
to his word, moving forward on

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that process.

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And the conversation he had --
the meeting he had yesterday,

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the conversation I just
mentioned with the Senator

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from West Virginia and other
conversations he will have going

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forward will reflect the
approach that he's taking.

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He does want to move.

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As he said on Sunday night,
he wants to move in the coming

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weeks, which is a fairly
short period of time.

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And while he supports, and
strongly, renewal of the assault

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weapons ban, and strongly other
measures, he wants to expand the

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conversation beyond those
specific areas of legislation

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to look at other ways we
can address this problem.

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Let me move in the back.

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Sam.

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The Press:
Yes, Jay, a lot of top
Democrats on the Hill,

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and I think President Obama,
spent the campaign season

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saying, let's not touch Social
Security -- it doesn't add to

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the deficit; we can resolve
this issue without going to

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that entitlement program.

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What is the President's message
to those lawmakers who promised

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constituents that Social
Security would not be touched

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after the President now
has put chain CPI on the

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table for Republicans?

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Mr. Carney:
Well, let's be clear about one
thing: The President didn't put

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it on the table.

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This is something
that Republicans want.

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And it is --

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The Press:
But the Republicans --

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Mr. Carney:
-- part of his -- if I could
please answer Sam's question,

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I'd appreciate it.

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And the President did include
it in his counterproposal,

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his counteroffer, as part of
this process, as part of the

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negotiation process.

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I would note that this is a
technical change -- would be

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if instated -- to the way that
economists calculate inflation,

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and it would affect every
program that has -- that uses

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the CPI in its calculations.

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And so it's not directed
at one particular program;

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it would affect every
program that uses CPI.

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There are also -- as part of
the President's proposals,

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he would make sure that the
most vulnerable were exempted

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out from this change.

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But let's be clear, this is
something that the Republicans

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have asked for, and as part of
an effort to find common ground

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with the Republicans, the
President has agreed to put

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this in his proposal -- agreed
to have this as part of a broad

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deficit reduction package that
includes asking the wealthiest

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to pay more so that we can
achieve the kind of revenue

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targets that are necessary
for a balanced approach to

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deficit reduction.

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The Press:
Right, but there's a lot --
again, my question was there's

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a lot of people who voted
for these lawmakers on a

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promise that --

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Mr. Carney:
You heard the President
say every time he talked

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about this --

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The Press:
Can I finish my question?

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Mr. Carney:
Sure, yes.

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The Press:
A lot of people -- I'll let you
answer -- a lot of people voted

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for these lawmakers for
reelection not too long

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ago on a promise that Social
Security wouldn't be touched,

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and if it was touched, it would
be done separately from these

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fiscal cliff negotiations.

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What do those people -- what
are these people now supposed

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to believe about the promises
that their lawmakers made,

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including the President?

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Mr. Carney:
Let me again make
clear two things.

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One, the President has always
said as part of this process

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when we're talking about the
spending cuts side of this that

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it would require tough
choices by both sides.

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And that is certainly
the case if you want to

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reach an agreement.

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Secondly, this is a technical
adjustment that supporters of

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it and economists -- outside
economists say is meant to make

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the government's estimates
of inflation more accurate.

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Thirdly, as part of the
President's proposal, there

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is a clause that would protect
vulnerable communities including

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the very elderly when it comes
to Social Security recipients.

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So there's no question that
it represents an effort to

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compromise, but it is also
not -- this is a technical

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adjustment that economists
believe is about getting the

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proper measure of inflation, and
it is one sought by Republicans.

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So, again, we're not going
to get everything we want.

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We knew that the President's
proposal that he put forward

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to the super committee that we
put forward in the beginning of

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these negotiations would
not pass unchanged.

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But I think your question
demonstrates the absolute fact

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that the President has shown
enormous good faith in trying

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to reach a compromise here.

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And it would be shocking if
Republicans passed up this

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opportunity for what they say
they seek, which is significant

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deficit reduction, significant
spending cuts, simply to protect

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those just shy of being
millionaires from having

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to pay a dime extra
in income taxes.

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Chuck.

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The Press:
Do you acknowledge the Speaker's
criticism of the counterproposal

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yesterday that it really
isn't one to one --

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Mr. Carney:
I do not.

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The Press:
-- because the saved interest
payment is not a spending cut?

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Mr. Carney:
Well, I find that an interesting
charge because every budget

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proposal that's been made
since we've been here includes

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interest payments as spending
cuts when they're reduced.

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The Bowles-Simpson
proposal included it.

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The Press:
Well, nobody disputes that it's
part of deficit reduction, but

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this idea of one to one on
tax hikes to a spending cut --

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Mr. Carney:
Again, when they -- in the
Budget Control Act and their

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assertions that they wanted one
to one, it was only achievable

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-- only achievable -- because
they counted saved interest as

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spending cut.

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So a practice that they
participated in regularly up

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until this moment to abandon
now, to say that it doesn't

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represent one-to-one spending
cuts for revenue, is just --

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doesn't pass the
plausibility test.

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The fact is that spending on
interest payments is one of the

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big problems that we face when
it comes to our budget deficits,

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and reducing those payments is
a significant achievement when

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it comes to reducing spending.

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So including those reductions as
part of the overall reductions

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in spending is in keeping
with past practice by both

466
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,700
Republicans and Democrats,
including the Speaker of

467
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:53,000
the House, including House
Republican leadership,

468
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,000
past practice as represented
in the Simpson-Bowles proposal

469
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,400
and other proposals that
have been out there.

470
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,000
So I do reject that charge that
somehow that this is a novelty

471
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,467
that doesn't represent actual
savings, because that has always

472
00:26:08,467 --> 00:26:11,033
been the practice, including
by the Republicans who are

473
00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:12,734
now complaining about it.

474
00:26:12,734 --> 00:26:15,600
The Press:
So at 10 o'clock this morning,
9 o'clock this morning,

475
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,033
the markets open; they all
see the different proposals

476
00:26:18,033 --> 00:26:21,265
the President has given on
the CPI and Social Security,

477
00:26:21,266 --> 00:26:23,433
Boehner's given on tax rates
over a million dollars.

478
00:26:23,433 --> 00:26:26,233
And the public up on Wall Street
and the business community sees

479
00:26:26,233 --> 00:26:28,667
-- oh, look, they're
about to come to a deal.

480
00:26:28,667 --> 00:26:33,433
Boehner puts out his plan B,
and you guys decide to publicly

481
00:26:33,433 --> 00:26:34,500
go after it.

482
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:35,000
Why?

483
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,633
Why antagonize the situation?

484
00:26:36,633 --> 00:26:38,300
Mr. Carney:
Well, what the Speaker --

485
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:38,966
The Press:
I'm just curious.

486
00:26:38,967 --> 00:26:40,600
You guys -- on one hand, you
don't want to negotiate through

487
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,166
the press; this clearly is a
decision to negotiate through

488
00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:43,767
the press.

489
00:26:43,767 --> 00:26:49,433
Mr. Carney:
No. The Speaker also made clear
that he has not abandoned hope

490
00:26:49,433 --> 00:26:52,734
for a bigger deal, and
that we see as a good thing.

491
00:26:52,734 --> 00:26:54,567
And we certainly
have not either.

492
00:26:54,567 --> 00:26:58,500
And I think our objections to
plan B is simply to point that

493
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:04,700
it is such a far cry from what's
possible here -- and not only

494
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,100
that, it wouldn't pass the
Senate, it wouldn't get any

495
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,166
Democratic votes in the House,
might not pass the House.

496
00:27:09,166 --> 00:27:13,200
The Press:
But you seem to be intent on
sending that message when that's

497
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,300
a way of antagonizing
the situation, isn't it?

498
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,966
Mr. Carney:
Well, I'm certainly not
trying to antagonize the --

499
00:27:16,967 --> 00:27:18,233
The Press:
Are you trying to disrupt talks?

500
00:27:18,233 --> 00:27:19,567
Make it harder?

501
00:27:19,567 --> 00:27:21,600
Mr. Carney:
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

502
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,899
I think that we would -- we, as
I said at the beginning -- and

503
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:30,800
let me make clear, that I'm --
the President hopes that Speaker

504
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,800
Boehner and others remain open
to what is a clear path to

505
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,633
achieve a bipartisan
compromise here.

506
00:27:38,633 --> 00:27:44,700
And in the details that have
come out about the President's

507
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:50,133
proposal, I think it is clear
that he has demonstrated good

508
00:27:50,133 --> 00:27:52,633
faith and a willingness to
meet Speaker Boehner and the

509
00:27:52,633 --> 00:27:57,734
Republicans halfway in an effort
to achieve what would be a very

510
00:27:57,734 --> 00:28:02,033
significant agreement that would
be of benefit both to the middle

511
00:28:02,033 --> 00:28:03,033
class and to the economy.

512
00:28:03,033 --> 00:28:03,699
The Press:
-- move further.

513
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:06,066
It was pretty clear from talking
to some Democrats that that

514
00:28:06,066 --> 00:28:07,867
wasn't your final offer.

515
00:28:07,867 --> 00:28:13,934
Mr. Carney:
Look, I think that a path to a
legitimate, balanced compromise

516
00:28:13,934 --> 00:28:16,433
is clear.

517
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:23,900
But the room for movement
here is not large, because the

518
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:26,900
President's principles are what
they are and the President has

519
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:32,200
already moved exactly halfway on
revenue and more than halfway on

520
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,200
spending cuts.

521
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,133
So that is by definition what
compromise is about -- I'll

522
00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:38,133
meet you halfway.

523
00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:39,133
The President is here.

524
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:40,133
Republicans are here.

525
00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:42,433
The President has come halfway,
maybe a little bit more.

526
00:28:42,433 --> 00:28:44,934
Republicans have
come about this far.

527
00:28:44,934 --> 00:28:46,533
So we're close.

528
00:28:46,533 --> 00:28:49,233
The President has demonstrated
his reasonableness.

529
00:28:49,233 --> 00:28:55,133
And his principles here are ones
that are broadly supported by

530
00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:56,400
the American public.

531
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,934
So he hopes that we
can get this deal.

532
00:28:57,934 --> 00:29:04,033
My point about plan B is that
it's not a great alternative.

533
00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:05,065
It's not a great fallback.

534
00:29:05,066 --> 00:29:06,800
The Press:
Your plan B?

535
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,767
Do you think your plan
is a good alternative?

536
00:29:07,767 --> 00:29:09,000
Mr. Carney:
We would prefer a bigger --

537
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,066
The Press:
-- good alternative, your
plan B, the $250,000 --

538
00:29:12,066 --> 00:29:13,967
Mr. Carney:
One, it's already
passed the Senate.

539
00:29:13,967 --> 00:29:15,500
So if we --

540
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,133
The Press:
Why are you so sure the other
one doesn't pass the Senate?

541
00:29:17,133 --> 00:29:19,266
Has Harry Reid assured you he
just won't put it on the floor?

542
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:21,266
Mr. Carney:
I think Senator Reid
has said that it wouldn't

543
00:29:21,266 --> 00:29:21,967
pass the Senate.

544
00:29:21,967 --> 00:29:24,533
The point is --

545
00:29:24,533 --> 00:29:25,600
The Press:
Would he put the --

546
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,132
Mr. Carney:
Again, you should speak with
Senator Reid about Senate

547
00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:31,066
procedure and upcoming actions.

548
00:29:31,066 --> 00:29:34,967
But the point is neither of
these options is preferable

549
00:29:34,967 --> 00:29:38,200
to a balanced, broad deficit
reduction package, which would

550
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,333
be healthy, good for the
economy, good for the American

551
00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:43,734
people, would protect the
middle class as we move forward.

552
00:29:43,734 --> 00:29:48,233
The President has said now for
months that at the very least

553
00:29:48,233 --> 00:29:52,667
the House ought to follow the
Senate's action and pass tax

554
00:29:52,667 --> 00:29:54,567
cuts for 98 percent of
the American people.

555
00:29:54,567 --> 00:29:55,567
That bill is there.

556
00:29:55,567 --> 00:29:57,467
It could be passed tomorrow.

557
00:29:57,467 --> 00:29:59,633
We have always sought
more than that.

558
00:29:59,633 --> 00:30:02,967
We have always sought the
opportunity to achieve

559
00:30:02,967 --> 00:30:04,934
significant deficit reduction,
because it's good for the

560
00:30:04,934 --> 00:30:07,966
economy if it's done well and
right, and in a way that's fair

561
00:30:07,967 --> 00:30:09,066
and balanced.

562
00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:10,000
Let me move around.

563
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,266
Yes, Leslie.

564
00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:14,600
The Press:
Jay, can you comment
at all on the Pentagon?

565
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,533
Investigators have concluded
that a senior defense official

566
00:30:18,533 --> 00:30:25,199
has leaked restricted
information to the makers

567
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,133
of the bin Laden film.

568
00:30:28,133 --> 00:30:30,433
Peter King's office is
out and says they're quite

569
00:30:30,433 --> 00:30:32,000
troubled by it.

570
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400
Mr. Carney:
I have seen those reports,
but I can only refer you

571
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,333
to the Pentagon.

572
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:37,767
I don't have anything
on it from here.

573
00:30:37,767 --> 00:30:40,300
The Press:
But the fact that it went
beyond and into a criminal

574
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,332
investigation seems to suggest
that it's a little bit worse

575
00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:45,934
than you had led us to believe.

576
00:30:45,934 --> 00:30:49,367
I think King's office said that
it's an indication that our

577
00:30:49,367 --> 00:30:51,867
security was placed at risk
by people who wanted to help

578
00:30:51,867 --> 00:30:53,233
Hollywood make a movie.

579
00:30:53,233 --> 00:30:56,533
Mr. Carney:
Well, first of all, I think that
that's not -- your memory of the

580
00:30:56,533 --> 00:30:59,300
discussions that we had from
here had to do with charges

581
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,200
by that Congressman and others
about White House -- what the

582
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,767
White House's role in informing
people who are doing stories on

583
00:31:05,767 --> 00:31:08,266
or other things on the
bin Laden raid was.

584
00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:10,734
Again, on this particular
matter, I would refer you

585
00:31:10,734 --> 00:31:11,367
to the Pentagon.

586
00:31:11,367 --> 00:31:12,834
I just don't have
anything for you on it.

587
00:31:12,834 --> 00:31:13,700
Ed.

588
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:16,500
The Press:
If Speaker Boehner's idea of
just taxing people making a

589
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,734
million dollars or more is so
bad and unbalanced, why did the

590
00:31:19,734 --> 00:31:23,833
President propose that in
September of 2011 -- he had

591
00:31:23,834 --> 00:31:26,266
the millionaire's tax, when he
came out in the Rose Garden?

592
00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:28,767
Mr. Carney:
First of all, that's an
entirely different proposal.

593
00:31:28,767 --> 00:31:35,033
The President has always
supported expiration of the

594
00:31:35,033 --> 00:31:39,033
Bush-era tax cuts for those
making more than $250,000.

595
00:31:39,033 --> 00:31:43,000
That is a position he has held
since the time he took office.

596
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,100
There have been other proposals
including the so-called Buffett

597
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:52,500
Rule that would address the
problem of millionaires and

598
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,667
billionaires not paying, for
example -- and this goes to

599
00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:59,533
other -- this goes beyond issues
of income tax, because one of

600
00:31:59,533 --> 00:32:02,766
the reasons why the Buffett
Rule, for example, was something

601
00:32:02,767 --> 00:32:04,967
the President supports --
supported and supports --

602
00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:08,000
is because we have the issue of
carried interests, which enables

603
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,667
billionaires to pay a lower
tax rate if they're hedge fund

604
00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:16,000
managers or private equity
investors, to pay at a much

605
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,900
lower rate than
probably you and I pay.

606
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:21,333
The Press:
The New York Times at the
time said, "his idea" --

607
00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:23,834
the President's idea -- "of a
millionaire's minimum tax would

608
00:32:23,834 --> 00:32:26,333
be prominent in the broad plan
for long-term deficit reduction

609
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:27,567
that he will outline
at the White House."

610
00:32:27,567 --> 00:32:30,166
So the President thought that
a millionaire's tax was --

611
00:32:30,166 --> 00:32:32,200
Mr. Carney:
You're really
confusing policies here.

612
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,734
The fact that you support a
minimum tax for millionaires

613
00:32:35,734 --> 00:32:40,699
tax rate does not alter the fact
that you also support returning

614
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:44,500
tax rates for those making under
a million dollars to what they

615
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,100
were prior to the
Bush-era tax cuts.

616
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:48,966
I think that has been
established many times.

617
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,300
The Press:
Senator Schumer brought
that up for a vote in 2010 --

618
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,399
Mr. Carney:
It was actually a different --
you really need to check your --

619
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,700
The Press:
There's a lot of
different versions of it --

620
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,300
Mr. Carney:
Well, no, but --

621
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:57,966
The Press:
It was a million-dollar
threshold is the point.

622
00:32:57,967 --> 00:32:59,233
Mr. Carney:
On the tax rates.

623
00:32:59,233 --> 00:33:02,867
Again, you're confusing a lot
of different tax proposals.

624
00:33:02,867 --> 00:33:12,066
And our position then is what it
is now, which is that we support

625
00:33:12,066 --> 00:33:16,433
expiration of the tax cuts
for the top 2 percent.

626
00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:20,367
In his proposal for a bigger
package with the Republicans,

627
00:33:20,367 --> 00:33:22,700
he has agreed to move
that threshold from

628
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:24,767
$250,000 to $400,000.

629
00:33:24,767 --> 00:33:27,767
What we do know, instead of
talking about things that got

630
00:33:27,767 --> 00:33:30,300
votes two years ago in the
Senate, is that two months

631
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:34,200
ago the Senate passed a bill
that extends tax cuts for 98

632
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,166
percent of the American people
-- tax cuts that everyone in

633
00:33:37,166 --> 00:33:39,700
Washington, Republicans and
Democrats alike say they

634
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:44,433
support, and that the House, if
it fails to do anything else,

635
00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:48,767
has the opportunity to pass that
legislation to ensure that most

636
00:33:48,767 --> 00:33:53,433
Americans out there don't have
their taxes go up next year.

637
00:33:53,433 --> 00:33:56,633
The only thing preventing them
from that when you look at the

638
00:33:56,633 --> 00:34:00,166
proposals here is their
insistence thus far on

639
00:34:00,166 --> 00:34:03,567
the idea that people making
$995,000 should not have their

640
00:34:03,567 --> 00:34:04,734
income tax rates go up.

641
00:34:04,734 --> 00:34:06,199
The Press:
Quick question
on another subject.

642
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,833
There's this 27-year-old former
Marine who, as you know, is in a

643
00:34:08,833 --> 00:34:09,833
Mexican prison.

644
00:34:09,833 --> 00:34:11,533
His family is urging
the administration to

645
00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:12,366
do something about it.

646
00:34:12,367 --> 00:34:15,333
We don't know all the facts of
the case and what he did, what

647
00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:17,700
he didn't do, but his family
is asking the White House to

648
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:18,699
look into it.

649
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:21,433
Is there anything going on
to ascertain the facts to see

650
00:34:21,433 --> 00:34:22,433
whether he's innocent or not?

651
00:34:22,433 --> 00:34:25,400
Because again we don't
know what really happened.

652
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,734
Mr. Carney:
Well, I'll have to take the
question because I don't know

653
00:34:27,734 --> 00:34:29,900
the facts myself on that, so
I'll have to take the question.

654
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:30,934
Jake.

655
00:34:30,934 --> 00:34:36,233
The Press:
The President's close friend
and advisor, David Axelrod,

656
00:34:36,233 --> 00:34:39,767
on Sunday evening, after
watching the President's

657
00:34:39,766 --> 00:34:44,866
speech was watching a football
game, and an ad came on for a

658
00:34:44,867 --> 00:34:48,333
violent video game, and
he tweeted, shouldn't we

659
00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:52,967
quit -- he tweeted an expression
of support for banning certain

660
00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:55,333
kinds of weapons or regulating
certain kinds of weapons,

661
00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:59,033
but then he said shouldn't we also
quit marketing murder as a game.

662
00:34:59,033 --> 00:35:04,200
And this touches on the cultural
aspect that you seem to be

663
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,265
alluding to also being
part of the solution.

664
00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:11,066
And I'm wondering if the
President has any views on it,

665
00:35:11,066 --> 00:35:13,399
because we haven't really heard
him talk that much about these

666
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,900
cultural issues in
his time as President.

667
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,467
Mr. Carney:
Well, I was asked about this --
well, I have seen reports on it,

668
00:35:22,467 --> 00:35:28,567
and I don't have any proposals
to tell you that the President

669
00:35:28,567 --> 00:35:32,967
thinks or we think
should be moved on.

670
00:35:32,967 --> 00:35:38,166
I think that there are cultural
issues -- and every expert on

671
00:35:38,166 --> 00:35:40,200
this issue would, I think,
agree with that -- that there

672
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,866
are cultural issues that
contribute to the broader

673
00:35:43,867 --> 00:35:46,100
problem with gun violence.

674
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,000
One of the reasons why the
President wants to expand the

675
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,867
net beyond considerations of gun
laws is because he recognizes

676
00:35:53,867 --> 00:35:59,333
that and agrees with it that we
need to look broadly at all of

677
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:02,600
the potential contributors to
the scourge of gun violence in

678
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,799
this country.

679
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,800
So on that particular area of
inquiry, I don't have a specific

680
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:14,200
proposal to tell you about, or
even that there will be one.

681
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,600
But it's certainly -- he wants
to have these conversations with

682
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,900
people who have worked on
this issue and people who are

683
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,667
affected by it to explore all
the possibilities, to move

684
00:36:23,667 --> 00:36:27,900
forward with a broad approach
that addresses gun violence,

685
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:33,233
that includes sensible
legislation to deal with things

686
00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:37,166
like assault weapons and
gun show loopholes, magazine

687
00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:40,867
capacity, potentially, as well
as other issues -- mental health

688
00:36:40,867 --> 00:36:43,700
issues, education issues,
and perhaps cultural issues.

689
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:46,866
The Press:
Speaking of mental health
issues, the National Alliance

690
00:36:46,867 --> 00:36:49,734
for Mental Illness -- or of
Mental Illness reports that

691
00:36:49,734 --> 00:36:54,100
during the recession states
trimming their budgets cut

692
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,667
almost $2 billion from
mental health services.

693
00:36:56,667 --> 00:37:00,633
This seems to be an area
where the President could

694
00:37:00,633 --> 00:37:04,700
take immediate action, working
with Congress to help fill the

695
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,533
gap of the -- for those states.

696
00:37:08,533 --> 00:37:10,767
Has the President -- is he
aware of this statistic?

697
00:37:10,767 --> 00:37:12,799
Mr. Carney:
I'm not sure if he's
aware of this statistic.

698
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,767
The issue of mental health
is something that both the

699
00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:19,500
President and others in this
administration who have broadly

700
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,667
addressed health care issues,
including Secretary Sibelius,

701
00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:23,967
believes is very important.

702
00:37:23,967 --> 00:37:27,000
And that is why the Affordable
Care Act, Obamacare, contains

703
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,166
within it assurances that those
who will gain coverage that they

704
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:34,233
have not had in the past will
gain medical health services,

705
00:37:34,233 --> 00:37:41,900
including a set of services that
will be available without copays

706
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:42,900
or deductibles.

707
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,767
Because mental health issues are
health issues, and the President

708
00:37:46,767 --> 00:37:47,799
believes that firmly.

709
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,734
Again, in terms of potential
areas that could be addressed

710
00:37:52,734 --> 00:37:55,799
through action at the federal
level or at the state level,

711
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,834
he wants to hear about
proposals that might help

712
00:38:02,834 --> 00:38:04,600
address this problem.

713
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,767
It is, as he said, an issue that
the mental health aspect of this

714
00:38:09,767 --> 00:38:11,299
is an important aspect.

715
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:13,867
The Press:
According to the book by
Daniel Klaidman, from Newsweek,

716
00:38:13,867 --> 00:38:16,367
the Daily Beast, about
the Obama administration,

717
00:38:16,367 --> 00:38:18,567
in the first year of the Obama
administration, Attorney General

718
00:38:18,567 --> 00:38:22,767
Holder was going to take
action regulating guns,

719
00:38:22,767 --> 00:38:25,366
and the President's Chief of
Staff told him to shut up --

720
00:38:25,367 --> 00:38:29,333
he actually added a couple of
words in there -- about guns.

721
00:38:29,333 --> 00:38:31,900
The issue being the fact that
there were a number of Democrats

722
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,600
in vulnerable districts where
gun rights were popular that

723
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,366
would -- politically
it was not wise.

724
00:38:39,367 --> 00:38:40,800
Does the President
know about this?

725
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,166
Does the President regret
that that took place?

726
00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:49,300
Has Attorney General Holder been
told since Aurora or Fort Hood

727
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:54,200
or Sikh Temple or Newtown or
any of the other many, many

728
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,799
shootings that have taken
place while Mr. Obama has been

729
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,734
President, has Mr. Holder been
told to resume what he was

730
00:39:00,734 --> 00:39:02,533
planning on doing before the
White House Chief of Staff

731
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:03,467
told him to stop?

732
00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:05,467
Mr. Carney:
Well, that's an anecdote
that I'm not familiar with.

733
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:06,300
The Press:
It was reported --

734
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:07,900
Mr. Carney:
-- I know the author.

735
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,533
I confess from the podium
that I didn't read his book.

736
00:39:10,533 --> 00:39:11,567
But the --

737
00:39:11,567 --> 00:39:14,000
The Press:
Does that mean it didn't happen?

738
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,834
Mr. Carney:
I don't know, so I certainly
haven't had a discussion with

739
00:39:17,834 --> 00:39:19,000
the President about it.

740
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,533
I can tell you that the
President believes, as he,

741
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:24,467
I think, made very clear
on Sunday night, and as I

742
00:39:24,467 --> 00:39:27,200
reiterated both yesterday and
today, that we have not done

743
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,133
enough as a country to address
this problem and we need to do

744
00:39:30,133 --> 00:39:37,466
more, and that what happened in
Newtown hopefully will catalyze

745
00:39:37,467 --> 00:39:39,200
the process of doing more.

746
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,366
And he will use the power of
his office to move that along.

747
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,266
And that has begun already with
the conversations he's had here

748
00:39:50,266 --> 00:39:53,633
internally with -- a
conversation that he had today

749
00:39:53,633 --> 00:39:57,966
with one senator, I'm sure
he'll have with other lawmakers.

750
00:39:57,967 --> 00:40:03,867
And as I think we've heard
from a number of people both

751
00:40:03,867 --> 00:40:09,433
in Washington and elsewhere,
the enormity of what happened

752
00:40:09,433 --> 00:40:14,767
on Friday I think has caused
everyone -- or many people to

753
00:40:14,767 --> 00:40:19,000
reassess where we are when
it comes to the ways that

754
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,066
we address this problem, and
hopefully that that reassessment

755
00:40:22,066 --> 00:40:24,133
will lead to action.

756
00:40:24,133 --> 00:40:28,466
The Press:
But, Jay, why are these
conversations not taking

757
00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:29,934
place on a national level?

758
00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:30,800
Why are --

759
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,433
Mr. Carney:
Jake, can I just remind you
that the shooting happened

760
00:40:32,433 --> 00:40:33,800
four days ago.

761
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,633
The Press:
This one did, Jay.

762
00:40:34,633 --> 00:40:36,165
But there have been a lot
that have taken place over

763
00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:37,100
the last four years.

764
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,100
It's not as though gun violence
became a problem on Friday.

765
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,232
Mr. Carney:
I completely agree with that.

766
00:40:42,233 --> 00:40:43,000
And I can only --

767
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,066
The Press:
But it's as though you're
completely oblivious to

768
00:40:45,066 --> 00:40:46,734
the fact that there have
been shootings for years.

769
00:40:46,734 --> 00:40:47,232
Mr. Carney:
That's not true.

770
00:40:47,233 --> 00:40:51,567
I mean, the President -- it is
a fact that we have taken action

771
00:40:51,567 --> 00:40:54,333
-- and the Department of Justice
can fill you in on this -- to

772
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:55,467
enhance background checks.

773
00:40:55,467 --> 00:40:58,133
And background checks -- when we
talk about the fundamental issue

774
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:03,000
of making sure that those who
should not have weapons do not

775
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,600
acquire them or cannot acquire
them, enhancing our background

776
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,000
check system is an important
step that addresses specifically

777
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,100
the problem.

778
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:15,767
So it is the case that we have
taken action in this President's

779
00:41:15,767 --> 00:41:16,767
first term.

780
00:41:16,767 --> 00:41:18,966
And he made clear on Sunday
evening that he believes we

781
00:41:18,967 --> 00:41:20,567
need to take more action.

782
00:41:20,567 --> 00:41:25,300
And he looks forward to working
with Congress and working with

783
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:28,433
communities beyond Washington
to help bring that about.

784
00:41:28,433 --> 00:41:29,433
Peter.

785
00:41:29,433 --> 00:41:32,967
The Press:
Jay, the President said and
you've repeated that the nation

786
00:41:32,967 --> 00:41:34,066
has not done enough.

787
00:41:34,066 --> 00:41:37,299
It sounds like what -- previous
Presidents used the formulation

788
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:39,300
"mistakes were made," sort
of a passive construction.

789
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:43,166
Is he saying that he thinks
that he has not done enough

790
00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:45,100
as President, personally?

791
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:49,667
Mr. Carney:
Well, I think he made clear on
Sunday that we as a nation, and

792
00:41:49,667 --> 00:41:53,200
he as a member and leader of
this nation need to do more;

793
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,933
that we cannot tolerate these
kinds of tragic incidents.

794
00:41:58,934 --> 00:42:06,133
And he committed himself in the
coming weeks to taking steps

795
00:42:06,133 --> 00:42:11,433
that use the power of his office
to help try to bring about

796
00:42:11,433 --> 00:42:15,033
changes that will address
this problem, recognizing the

797
00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:19,066
complexity of the problem and
the obstacles to potential

798
00:42:19,066 --> 00:42:20,899
solutions to the problem.

799
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,000
He also said -- and it's
important to remember that he

800
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:31,500
said this -- if whatever action
we take saves one child's life,

801
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,667
we should take it, because
what would we say to ourselves

802
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:36,667
if we haven't.

803
00:42:36,667 --> 00:42:38,799
And then I think that
recognizes, again, that

804
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,133
this is a problem that cannot
be solved by a single action or

805
00:42:43,133 --> 00:42:45,200
necessarily even a series of
actions, but it should be and

806
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,466
can be addressed.

807
00:42:46,467 --> 00:42:50,133
The Press:
Big part of the question is,
does he regret -- it's one

808
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:52,265
thing to regret that Congress
hasn't done what he thinks they

809
00:42:52,266 --> 00:42:53,800
ought to do.

810
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
But does he regret that he
hasn't done something that he

811
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,299
wishes now, in light of Friday,
that he had done prior to that?

812
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,700
Mr. Carney:
I haven't heard him say it in
terms other than the way he said

813
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:03,933
it on Sunday night.

814
00:43:03,934 --> 00:43:11,800
And I think you heard from him
in a very passionate way what

815
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,734
his reaction is to Newtown, and
his reaction to Newtown as part

816
00:43:17,734 --> 00:43:23,165
of a series of events and
incidents like it that have

817
00:43:23,166 --> 00:43:27,867
occurred since he's been
President, and that on too many

818
00:43:27,867 --> 00:43:31,133
occasions he has been in the
situation that he was in in

819
00:43:31,133 --> 00:43:35,933
Newtown of consoling family
members who have lost innocent

820
00:43:35,934 --> 00:43:37,633
loved ones in events like this.

821
00:43:37,633 --> 00:43:43,533
So I think he spoke very
passionately about his views

822
00:43:43,533 --> 00:43:45,767
on this and the fact that
we need to take action.

823
00:43:45,767 --> 00:43:47,767
The Press:
And one quick question.

824
00:43:47,767 --> 00:43:50,933
If this compromise were to go
forward that the President's

825
00:43:50,934 --> 00:43:54,734
proposed, the $400,000 be the
cutoff -- would that be it?

826
00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:57,567
Or would the President still,
at some point at a later date as

827
00:43:57,567 --> 00:44:00,633
part of some future negotiations
and future legislative

828
00:44:00,633 --> 00:44:03,033
initiative, try
again at $250,000?

829
00:44:03,033 --> 00:44:06,799
Is this the end of it from his
perspective, or just one --

830
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,500
Mr. Carney:
Well, he seeks, as part of this
process, to make permanent tax

831
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:14,867
cuts for those making
below the threshold.

832
00:44:14,867 --> 00:44:19,900
It is also in his proposal
to fast-track processes for

833
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,734
both corporate and
individual tax reform.

834
00:44:22,734 --> 00:44:26,767
But the revenue achieved through
a potential compromise here,

835
00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:30,933
at least the one that he put
forward, would be locked in,

836
00:44:30,934 --> 00:44:35,433
and then the reform would be
essentially revenue-neutral.

837
00:44:35,433 --> 00:44:38,734
How that plays out in terms of
tax rates would obviously be up

838
00:44:38,734 --> 00:44:42,033
to those who negotiate it and
worked on the tax reform in that

839
00:44:42,033 --> 00:44:45,266
fast track process, both on
the Hill and working with

840
00:44:45,266 --> 00:44:46,567
administration officials.

841
00:44:46,567 --> 00:44:48,900
The Press:
So he's not closing off the
possibility of raising rates

842
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:50,033
at some later date --

843
00:44:50,033 --> 00:44:55,734
Mr. Carney:
Well, again, he's not -- his
proposal here is to achieve

844
00:44:55,734 --> 00:44:59,433
the revenue that would be
gained from extending tax

845
00:44:59,433 --> 00:45:03,767
cuts permanently for those
making under $400,000,

846
00:45:03,767 --> 00:45:06,633
allowing rates to rise to
their Clinton-era levels

847
00:45:06,633 --> 00:45:08,567
for those making above $400,000.

848
00:45:08,567 --> 00:45:12,400
There are a series of other
pieces of his revenue proposal

849
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,967
that deal with some reform
measures, like capping

850
00:45:14,967 --> 00:45:20,000
deductions and other issues, and
then there would be a separate

851
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,066
or additional tax reform process
that is something that both

852
00:45:23,066 --> 00:45:26,700
sides have sought in a
so-called two-stage deal.

853
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:31,966
But the revenue achieved -- the
$1.2 trillion in revenue part of

854
00:45:31,967 --> 00:45:35,667
this proposal would be
achieved at the outset.

855
00:45:35,667 --> 00:45:38,467
Then the reform process
could go forward.

856
00:45:38,467 --> 00:45:39,800
Major, and then Roger.

857
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,066
The Press:
You may accuse me of
being unduly mathematical.

858
00:45:43,066 --> 00:45:45,966
I'm not trying to be
unduly mathematical.

859
00:45:45,967 --> 00:45:47,600
Mr. Carney:
I want to be wowed
by your numbers.

860
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,799
The Press:
No, no, it has nothing to do
with numbers, but I asked you

861
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,734
yesterday if there was
any task force work.

862
00:45:51,734 --> 00:45:53,033
Obviously, there was
a meeting yesterday on

863
00:45:53,033 --> 00:45:55,366
this subject post-Newtown.

864
00:45:55,367 --> 00:46:00,834
So if it's possible to convey
to the nation after that meeting

865
00:46:00,834 --> 00:46:04,933
and in the intervening
days since, proportionally,

866
00:46:04,934 --> 00:46:10,166
does the President view this
as mostly a gun-control issue,

867
00:46:10,166 --> 00:46:14,333
or a 50-50 gun control, mental
health, personal responsibility?

868
00:46:14,333 --> 00:46:20,433
And can you give the nation a
sense that whatever he proposes,

869
00:46:20,433 --> 00:46:22,934
whenever he proposes it,
will be inclusive of all

870
00:46:22,934 --> 00:46:24,767
of those things?

871
00:46:24,767 --> 00:46:28,100
Mr. Carney:
Well, I think that's a good
question and I appreciate it.

872
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,266
The President believes that
there are multiple elements

873
00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:35,834
that need to be addressed
that are part of the problem

874
00:46:35,834 --> 00:46:37,265
of gun violence.

875
00:46:37,266 --> 00:46:41,734
And as any expert on this
subject I think would tell

876
00:46:41,734 --> 00:46:49,633
you gun laws would not
alone solve this problem

877
00:46:49,633 --> 00:46:52,232
and he recognizes that.

878
00:46:52,233 --> 00:46:58,066
He would, however, support and
has supported some gun control

879
00:46:58,066 --> 00:47:01,232
legislation like the assault
weapons ban, like closure of

880
00:47:01,233 --> 00:47:04,367
the gun show loophole.

881
00:47:04,367 --> 00:47:07,734
What the proportion is, is hard
to say, but I think you break it

882
00:47:07,734 --> 00:47:12,266
down to issues of law
enforcement, issues of -- and

883
00:47:12,266 --> 00:47:15,300
then law enforcement can mean
not just gun legislation, but

884
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:19,433
other issues of law enforcement,
obviously, like background

885
00:47:19,433 --> 00:47:20,433
checks and the like.

886
00:47:20,433 --> 00:47:23,967
Then there's mental health
and broader health care issues.

887
00:47:23,967 --> 00:47:25,567
There's education issues.

888
00:47:25,567 --> 00:47:31,600
I think those are three pockets;
whether that's 33, 33, 33 is

889
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,866
hard to say.

890
00:47:32,867 --> 00:47:39,133
But it is simply a fact that
legislation that addresses

891
00:47:39,133 --> 00:47:42,200
access to certain types of
weapons or magazines or how

892
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,399
we perform background checks,
while they have merit and the

893
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,967
President supports the ones that
I've mentioned, would not alone

894
00:47:49,967 --> 00:47:50,967
address this problem.

895
00:47:50,967 --> 00:47:52,333
What I can't tell you -- to
go to the second part of your

896
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:56,433
question -- is what the rollout
of the President's ideas, what

897
00:47:56,433 --> 00:48:01,667
form that will take, whether it
will be things of -- pieces of

898
00:48:01,667 --> 00:48:05,600
legislation that exist that
he supports and has made that

899
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,433
clear, I have also, or other
things that might come up that

900
00:48:08,433 --> 00:48:09,433
he supports.

901
00:48:09,433 --> 00:48:11,533
I think at some point you'll
hear from him more broadly on

902
00:48:11,533 --> 00:48:15,165
this issue, but I don't have
a timeframe for you on that.

903
00:48:15,166 --> 00:48:22,467
So this is a process that has
just begun and includes the

904
00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:24,533
meeting he had yesterday.

905
00:48:24,533 --> 00:48:26,500
But beyond that, I just
don't have more for you.

906
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,066
The Press:
All right, more mathematics.

907
00:48:29,066 --> 00:48:35,232
Based on briefings here and
reaction from the Hill, there

908
00:48:35,233 --> 00:48:38,433
are some differences, but
the revenue differences,

909
00:48:38,433 --> 00:48:42,300
which heretofore have been
a significant impediment,

910
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:45,400
are down to $1.2 trillion
versus $1 trillion.

911
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,533
And there are a lot of other
issues, I acknowledge that.

912
00:48:48,533 --> 00:48:50,799
My question to you is, does this
bill, and does the President

913
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,900
believe there is an intrinsic,
larger value to resolving this

914
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:01,500
during this week as the country
mourns a larger national tragedy

915
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:06,066
in providing some evidence
that all the rhetoric about

916
00:49:06,066 --> 00:49:08,466
the future of the children
and everything else has actual

917
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:12,133
meaning as related
to our fiscal future?

918
00:49:15,066 --> 00:49:19,700
Mr. Carney:
I hesitate to make grand
pronouncements about the

919
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:24,933
connection that some of you have
made between what happened in

920
00:49:24,934 --> 00:49:28,667
Connecticut and other work
that is taking place here.

921
00:49:28,667 --> 00:49:29,900
I do think that the President --

922
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,100
The Press:
But you know and I know --

923
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:31,767
Mr. Carney:
No, I understand --

924
00:49:31,767 --> 00:49:33,299
The Press:
-- here that it reverberates.

925
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:34,133
Mr. Carney:
It certainly does.

926
00:49:34,133 --> 00:49:42,000
And I think that at its core,
tragedies like that at their

927
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,000
core bring us as Americans
together in our grief,

928
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,300
and in our resolve, and
in our neighborliness.

929
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:58,967
They remind us of all that
we share as opposed to the

930
00:49:58,967 --> 00:50:00,734
differences that we have.

931
00:50:00,734 --> 00:50:09,266
And out of the ashes of a
tragedy like that, as the

932
00:50:09,266 --> 00:50:13,200
President I think spoke to in
Newtown, we should take heart

933
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,734
from that -- from the spirit of
the community there, the spirit

934
00:50:19,734 --> 00:50:22,433
of communities that have
been affected elsewhere.

935
00:50:22,433 --> 00:50:27,900
When first responders rush into
a situation like that to try to

936
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:32,000
save lives, nobody is thinking
about political differences.

937
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,066
So I think that any reminder
of what binds us together is

938
00:50:39,066 --> 00:50:46,767
helpful and useful as we try to
do the country's business here.

939
00:50:46,767 --> 00:50:47,667
I think the President --

940
00:50:47,667 --> 00:50:48,967
The Press:
Would you acknowledge it
has catalyzed the process?

941
00:50:48,967 --> 00:50:52,433
Mr. Carney:
Well, I just don't know
because I can't speak to

942
00:50:52,433 --> 00:50:53,600
everyone's motivations.

943
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,600
I think that --

944
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,866
The Press:
Does the President think
it's catalyzed the process?

945
00:50:56,867 --> 00:50:59,400
Mr. Carney:
Well, he has been committed to
this process for a long time.

946
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,967
He has been committed to seeking
a broad deficit-reduction deal,

947
00:51:03,967 --> 00:51:07,734
one that protects the middle
class, one that achieves balance

948
00:51:07,734 --> 00:51:10,165
and is good for our economy.

949
00:51:10,166 --> 00:51:13,633
It is certainly -- I think the
events in Connecticut are a

950
00:51:13,633 --> 00:51:20,366
reminder to him, as he spoke
about in Newtown, of what's most

951
00:51:20,367 --> 00:51:24,400
important in our lives, what our
greatest responsibilities are.

952
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,700
And if to the extent that
that is a motivation to do

953
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,165
more and do better for
all of us, I think,

954
00:51:31,166 --> 00:51:33,834
then that's worth recognizing.

955
00:51:33,834 --> 00:51:36,866
Roger, I think I
said I'd call on you.

956
00:51:36,867 --> 00:51:39,667
The Press:
In the Biden meeting yesterday
on guns, did the President give

957
00:51:39,667 --> 00:51:42,200
the Vice President a
specific due date for

958
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,966
this report or recommendations?

959
00:51:43,967 --> 00:51:47,700
Mr. Carney:
No. And I don't have a further
readout of the meeting that

960
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:49,866
included not just the Vice
President, but the secretaries

961
00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:53,200
-- Cabinet Secretaries that I
mentioned and some senior staff

962
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,500
here at the White House.

963
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:56,667
It's the beginning of a process
where they're looking for -- we

964
00:51:56,667 --> 00:52:02,299
will look for ways to address
this problem in the wake of the

965
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:03,633
tragedy in Newtown.

966
00:52:03,633 --> 00:52:06,433
The Press:
And one other quick
follow-up on chained CPI.

967
00:52:06,433 --> 00:52:10,467
You said the most vulnerable
would be exempted out.

968
00:52:10,467 --> 00:52:11,967
What do you mean by that?

969
00:52:11,967 --> 00:52:15,066
Mr. Carney:
Well, I don't have the
technical details for you.

970
00:52:15,066 --> 00:52:21,000
But this is something that can
be and has been done before in

971
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,266
an effort to make sure that
-- one example, the oldest

972
00:52:24,266 --> 00:52:30,066
of Social Security recipients
would be potentially protected

973
00:52:30,066 --> 00:52:33,799
from the impact of
a change like this.

974
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,900
But I don't have more
details for you on that.

975
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,433
The Press:
Jay, to be determined,
in other words?

976
00:52:38,433 --> 00:52:41,567
Mr. Carney:
Well, there are processes that
this has been done in the past

977
00:52:41,567 --> 00:52:42,200
and can be done.

978
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,000
The Press:
I guess what threw me was
when you said "exempted out."

979
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,467
It means they would
be taken off --

980
00:52:45,467 --> 00:52:47,633
Mr. Carney:
Well, I appreciate the question,
because it gives me the

981
00:52:47,633 --> 00:52:54,366
opportunity to refine my
language -- because I think what

982
00:52:54,367 --> 00:52:58,533
I meant to say is that there
would be protections for most

983
00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:02,767
vulnerable populations and
perhaps "exempted out" is not

984
00:53:02,767 --> 00:53:04,165
the proper way to describe it.

985
00:53:04,166 --> 00:53:07,834
The Press:
Jay, does the President have
concerns about the dramatic

986
00:53:07,834 --> 00:53:11,667
increase, the upsurge in weapons
sales just obviously based on

987
00:53:11,667 --> 00:53:16,232
the specter of the prospect
of new gun control laws?

988
00:53:16,233 --> 00:53:18,200
Mr. Carney:
I haven't asked him about that.

989
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,866
I think that's a phenomenon
we've seen in the past.

990
00:53:21,867 --> 00:53:24,834
But I haven't got a
response from him for you.

991
00:53:24,834 --> 00:53:27,500
The Press:
Would he like to see retailers
-- as one, at least one already

992
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:31,333
has -- voluntarily stop selling
the type of weapon that was used

993
00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:32,500
in Newtown?

994
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,934
Mr. Carney:
I haven't had that
discussion with him either.

995
00:53:34,934 --> 00:53:40,433
I know that he supports some
legislation that we've already

996
00:53:40,433 --> 00:53:44,734
talked about and is certainly
interested in hearing about

997
00:53:44,734 --> 00:53:48,967
other ideas and other possible
proposals, mindful of the fact

998
00:53:48,967 --> 00:53:57,934
that gun control legislation
alone will not sufficiently

999
00:53:57,934 --> 00:53:59,433
address this problem.

1000
00:53:59,433 --> 00:54:00,133
Thanks very much.