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Mr. Gibbs:
Good afternoon. Let's quickly -- I'll do a

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week ahead and then a couple of quick announcements
before we start with questions. Obviously,

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as you know, on Tuesday the President will
address the nation at 8:00 p.m. eastern time

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from the military academy at West Point, on
Afghanistan and Pakistan. On Wednesday the

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President will attend meetings here at the
White House. On Thursday the President will

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hold a forum on jobs and economic growth here
at the White House. The forum will be an opportunity

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for the President and his economic team to
hear from CEOs, small business owners and

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financial experts about ideas for continuing
to grow the economy and put Americans back
to work.

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The Press:
Do you have a time on that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know when that starts yet, but we
can figure that out. On Thursday evening Mrs.

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Obama will join the President at the National
Park Service at the National Park Foundation's

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Annual National Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony
held on the Ellipse at 5:00 p.m. eastern.

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And on Friday -- we'll have more details on
this later -- the President will visit Allentown,

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Pennsylvania, as part of a commitment to visit
communities across the country over the next

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several months, where he will speak with workers
and share ideas for continued economic recovery.

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Before we get going, a couple of quick things.
In the gaggle I mentioned that the congressional

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readout and consultations would be at 4:45
p.m. tomorrow -- that's now been changed to

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4:00 p.m. tomorrow. Let me add that before
the President spoke this morning with President

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Sarkozy of France, he spoke with Danish Prime
Minister Rasmussen. The President and the

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Prime Minister consulted on the upcoming Copenhagen
Climate Change Conference and the President's

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participation on December 9th. The President
expressed his appreciation for Denmark's leadership

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in this process. The President also updated
the Prime Minister on his review of our strategy

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in Afghanistan and Pakistan and thanked him
for his country's significant contribution

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to the effort in Afghanistan. The United States
and Denmark are close allies and partner together

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around the world to promote freedom, security
and prosperity. We talked a little bit this

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morning about additional calls that the President
will make between this afternoon and the time

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of the speech. I anticipate that those will
include President Karzai, President Zardari,

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Chancellor Merkel, Prime Minister Tusk of
Poland, President Hu of China, and Prime

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Minister Singh of India. And obviously many
administration officials, including the Vice

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President, General Jones, the Secretary of
Defense, the Secretary of State, and the Chairman

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of the Joint Chiefs and others will also make
consultation calls to our allies over the

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course of the next many hours before the speech.

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The Press:
This is in addition to Medvedev
and Brown and all that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes. Those I just listed are at least in
addition to; there could be more others.

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The Press:
And those are today?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Most of them, quite frankly, are
likely scheduled for tomorrow. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Thanks, Robert. We've heard a lot about the

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benchmarks and what the President is looking
for in Afghanistan, but we haven't really

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talked a lot in detail about Pakistan. What
is the President hoping to address with Pakistan

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tomorrow night, and what does
he want to get in exchange?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Phil, I think you can anticipate that

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a good portion of the President's speech tomorrow
will discuss our relationship with Pakistan

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and touch on, going back to the very beginning
of this administration, in a renewed engagement

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diplomatically with the Pakistanis, as I said
this morning, to jointly address violent extremism.

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And I think our relationship is stronger and
our efforts are stronger in dealing with that

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as a result of that engagement and diplomacy.
The President will build on that and talk

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about the importance of them
in the region tomorrow night.

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The Press:
Is he going to talk about benchmarks
with Pakistan tomorrow night?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'll let the President make a little news
tomorrow, but I anticipate that the President

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will be pretty clear about how we're moving
forward with Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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The Press:
And how much has he talked with the officials
in Pakistan ahead of tomorrow's speech?

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Mr. Gibbs:
President Zardari is on the list and will
be called either -- there was some schedule

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in flux whether it's later today or first
thing tomorrow. We'll have some clarity on

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that in a little while.

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The Press:
But in coming up with what he's going
to say, how much conversation took place?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think -- I don't remember the

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last time or don't have in front of me the
last time the President spoke directly with

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President Zardari, but I know that many of
the national security team -- Secretary of

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State Clinton visited not too long ago, and
others have made trips to Pakistan and throughout

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the region to strengthen our diplomatic ties.

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The Press:
Can I just follow please?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me go get a couple here quick. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Thanks, Robert. How specific tomorrow will
the President be about an exit strategy? And

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how specific will he be about cost?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think the President will reiterate
tomorrow what I've said a number of times,

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which is that this is not an open-ended commitment;
that we are there to partner with the Afghans,

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to train the Afghan national security forces,
the army and the police, so that they can

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provide the security for their country and
wage the battle against an unpopular insurgency

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in that country. That's, I'd say, first
and foremost, our primary mission there.

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The Press:
You said last week -- I think Wednesday in

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the gaggle -- that we wouldn't be there
in eight or nine years. Will the President

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spell that out as a timetable
tomorrow on when troops will leave?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I found a good job security policy

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is not to get too far ahead of where the President
is. I think you can be assured that the President

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will talk about the fact that this
is not an open-ended commitment.

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The Press:
Can you follow up on the cost questions, though?

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Will he talk about -- you've given us figures
before as to what it costs per soldier. Will

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he talk about how it will be paid for? Does he
have a position on a war tax that you think he'll
discuss?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have not heard extensive discussion of that
here. I know the President will touch on cost;

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I don't expect to get overly detailed
in the speech tomorrow. Yes, sir.

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The Press:
When more troops are sent into a country inevitably

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it results in more casualties -- when in a
military presence and fighting is increased.

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Is the President going to -- is that going
to be part of the President's message tomorrow,

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to prepare the American people for the fact
that while an exit strategy exists, the next

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year or two is going to be perhaps bloodier
than even the last six months?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Jake -- and we've discussed this before

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-- I think the amount of sacrifice that we've
seen from the men and women that we have there

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already is something that I know the President
is assured by each and every day. I think,

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you know, he signs letters of condolence;
he meets with the families of those that have

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been killed. Obviously the trip to Dover is
something that I doubt you ever truly forget.

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I think the President will reiterate the importance
of why we're there, but also, by all means

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very early on acknowledge the tremendous cost
and sacrifice to our men and women in uniform.

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I don't think there's any doubt that we are
all in awe of the commitment from our military

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and our civilian side in
order to get this right.

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The Press:
And just in terms of defining our terms, where

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does making sure that we have a stable Afghan
partner end and nation-building begin? What's

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the line? Is it just a question of our responsibility,
U.S. responsibility, being training Afghan

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troops? Is that the "safe and secure" part
 -- "safe and stable partner" part? Because

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we've heard a lot about what the U.S. intends
to do. I know you don't want to get ahead

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of the President's speech, but just in terms
of -- define the terms a little for us.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I guess I would more ask you to -- 

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I don't -- again, I'm unclear as to what continuum
you're putting -- are you asking me to put

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them on a certain --

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The Press:
Well, the President has said, about the new
strategy, that it's important that we have

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a secure -- or a stable
ally in the Afghan --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, and a partner that is -- and a partner

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that understands, as the President directly
told President Karzai in a telephone call

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in the Oval Office, that it is time to turn
 -- it's time for a new chapter in our relationship

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as it relates to corruption and improved governance,
in order to address the security situation

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not just through training and security force
needs, but also, look, it's hard for civilians

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to go in and improve areas -- it's impossible
 -- that aren't secure. So I would say this

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is all part of what has to be a partnership.
And I think anybody would tell you, Jake,

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that -- and I've said this and I think, quite
frankly, you've seen this from Democrats and

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Republicans in Congress -- without partners
that are willing to do stuff in both Afghanistan

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and Pakistan, no number of American troops
can solve all of those problems -- unless

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or until those steps are taken inside both
of those countries will we see a change in

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the security situation.

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The Press:
A "stable partner" means a partner that is
willing to have its own troops step up? It

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doesn't mean a thriving democracy. It doesn't
mean a great economy. It doesn't mean schools

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-- schools for girls or
human rights. It means --

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Mr. Gibbs:
First and foremost -- first and foremost,

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we have to have a partner that can identify,
recruit, retain a security force and a police

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force that are able to take improved security
 -- an improved security environment and eventually

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hold that area; once that area is cleared,
that area then has to be held. Ultimately,

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the strategy will be to transfer the security
responsibility of an area to the Afghans.

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That is a big part of what you'll hear
the President talk about tomorrow.

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The Press:
But that's what we want from the Afghan government?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's -- I would say that's
a big part of it, yes.

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The Press:
Thank you, Robert. I just want to go back
to the war tax. You said the President is

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not likely to get into much detail on how
to pay for it tomorrow night. Why not? When

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we're $14 trillion in debt, why don't the
American people deserve some explanation?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't think you heard me say that they didn't

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deserve an explanation.
Obviously, there's a --

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The Press:
Why won't he get into it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, he will certainly touch on the cost.

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This is neither the beginning of this debate,
Ed, nor will this be the end of it. I think

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you'll hear the President acknowledge the
resource requirements, and the responsibilities

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and the tradeoffs that are going to be discussed
both here and, more importantly, on Capitol

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Hill, as they control the purse strings.

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The Press:
How will he handle those offsets? Will it be
with a new tax, or will it be spending cuts?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I think those discussions --
once the President has a policy and can put

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a price tag on it, I think you'll
see those more in earnest.

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The Press:
I wanted to ask about another subject, the

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state dinner last week with India. The White
House has asked the Secret Service to investigate

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the incident, what went wrong. As part of
that review, will they just be reviewing what

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the Secret Service did or will they also take
a look at White House staff, Social Secretary's

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office, and see whether they
made mistakes, as well?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I will check with folks here. My understanding

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is that the Secret Service will look at what
the Secret Service did.

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The Press:
But do you think the White House staff should

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be looked at, as well? There were guests who
came to this event who say that at previous

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dinners there was somebody from the Social
Secretary's office there who was checking

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names. That's not really the responsibility
of the Secret Service.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, but, Ed, understand that the individuals

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that are listed weren't on any list. I think
the Secret Service, through the director,

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has admitted that somebody who wasn't on a
list and wasn't WAVE'd in was allowed into

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an event that clearly he said shouldn't be,
and that no call or reach-out ever came to

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anybody in terms of staff from the Secret
Service about whether or not there was confusion

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on a name on a list.

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The Press:
At previous dinners, there was somebody from
the White House staff there checking names.

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So if they had been there and these people
were not on the list, they might have caught
them.

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Mr. Gibbs:
But, again, Ed, I assume in absence of somebody
being there -- because they're working telephones

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in the White House -- somebody would have
checked. Again, I think the focus of the investigation

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at this point is on the fact that none --
 that name wasn't on a list, that name wasn't

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WAVE'd in, but that couple got into the White
House and I think that's what the Secret Service

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is rightly focused on in their security investigation.

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The Press:
Follow up. Normally in the past, before this
administration came, there was always a checks

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and balances type of system at that gate with
the Social Office, as well as the Secret Service
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Mr. Gibbs:
I think that's what Ed just asked.

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The Press:
That's what I'm saying.
And you're saying --

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Mr. Gibbs:
This is a follow-up or -- go ahead, I'm sorry,

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I didn't mean to interrupt.

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The Press:
Again, there's always been a series of checks
and balances. And if there was a concern from

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the Secret Service, they would always relay
it back to -- it was a back and forth between

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the Social Office and the Secret Service.

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Mr. Gibbs:
What I'm saying -- what
I said to Ed was --

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The Press:
But let me finish, please --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no, but let me -- I think the question

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was asked, so let me reiterate my answer.
Again, April, none of that relay happened,

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right? None of that relay happened between
the Secret Service and the Social Office,

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whether or not the Social Office was standing
at the gate or whether or not somebody was

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sitting in their office at the White House.

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The Press:
If you would allow me to finish, you can understand
what I'm saying. The relay did not happen

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because that person was omitted at the gate
from the Social Office. The way we understand,

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that person --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Omitted?

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The Press:
That person was fired
earlier in the year. So --

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Mr. Gibbs:
But again, April, you can ask it seven ways.

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The answer continues to be, the relay didn't
happen because somebody was or wasn't there.

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The relay didn't happen because nobody picked
up the phone to relay the information. I mean,

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I appreciate the observation that somebody
could or could not have been at a certain

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gate. But again, you could pick up the phone,
just like I can pick up my phone in the office

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and relay you, April. You don't have to be
standing in my office for me to convey information

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to you. I think the --

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The Press:
So are you saying that the Social Office does
not have any responsibility in this at all?

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Mr. Gibbs:
April, there's an investigation that's ongoing

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into the actions of what happened, and I'm
going to wait for that to be completed.

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The Press:
The reason why we are questioning the Social

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Office and the Secret Service is because in
the past, both have worked in conjunction

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and successfully were able to protect the
President of the United States without anyone

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coming in. And now because the Social Office
did not have that other layer of checks and

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balances there, this happened. And people
are questioning why this White House is not

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putting the onus some on
the Social Office, as well.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm going to let the investigation put the

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onus on where the onus should be. But what
I'm simply doing is explaining to you a series

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of facts that include the notion that if somebody
was confused about whether or not somebody

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was on a list at a guard tower on the exterior
perimeter of the White House, and there was

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a question, generally somebody could pick
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I'm saying that the Secret Service, in the
statement that they released a few days ago,

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acknowledged that that didn't happen and that
that was a mistake.

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The Press:
The whole process has been changed at that

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gate from now on. Will the Social Office be
working in conjunction with the Secret Service
now?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think first and foremost we're going to
go through this investigation, and I would

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refer you to the Secret Service about
operations that might change at that gate.

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The Press:
And the last question. People were saying

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that the President was never in danger, and
many people have said that is not true.

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They got in --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Who's "many people"?

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The Press:
People here, Secret Service. These people
met with the President. They shook the President's

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hand. Who's to say they did not have some
kind of -- granted, they didn't -- but hypothetically,

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what if a person had walked in and could have
done something to the President? The President

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-- do you --

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Mr. Gibbs:
This hasn't happened before.
(laughter)

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I appreciate the opportunity to
indulge in a grand hypothetical.

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The Press:
Has the President remarked on this at all?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I think the President shares the concern

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that the director has for how this happened
and how we can remedy it from happening again.

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The Press:
Is he concerned about his safety with this?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No.

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The Press:
Have you heard him say anything, is he angry

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or is he as incredulous as the average American
is that people could just walk right into

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the White House like this?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think the President -- look, the reason
there's an investigation is the President

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and the White House has asked for that to
happen. So I think suffice to say the President

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is rightly concerned about
what happened last week.

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The Press:
Have you actually heard
him say anything about it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have not heard it, but
it's been relayed to me.

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The Press:
Can you confirm whether or not charges will

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be filed against this couple?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That is not a power bestowed on me as the
press secretary. I know they've -- according

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to media reports, they've been interviewed
by the Secret Service. I think that's a decision

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that would be made by the Secret Service and
the United States Attorney in that area.

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The Press:
Robert, just to follow on April's question --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, April's question
was following Ed's --

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The Press:
Right, and so I'm -- a triple follow-up.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Okay.

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The Press:
The Social Office knows that list inside and

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out. Presumably, if someone from the Social
Office had been at the gate they would have

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overheard the couple --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me refer you to --

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The Press:
No, no, no --

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- the follow-up answer that I gave
to April and the follow-up answer --

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The Press:
No, listen to me --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I understand, but, Sheryl --

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The Press:
They would have overheard the couple announce

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themselves and would have -- and it wouldn't
have required a phone call. It wouldn't have

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-- they would have flagged it right away.
Would it not make sense --

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Mr. Gibbs:
If the couple wouldn't have come it wouldn't

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have required a phone call.

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The Press:
That's true, too --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I understand. And generally, when people have
questions -- Sheryl, when you have a question,

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April, when you have a question, I don't have
to be there in person to answer your question,

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despite the fact that you may announce your
question. Generally, you can pick up the telephone

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and reach me right there in my office, a procedure
that somebody could do sitting at an exterior

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perimeter gate in the White House, just as
they could sitting in the briefing room or

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in one of those offices.

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The Press:
Well, all I'm saying is obviously the Secret
Service didn't have questions, they didn't

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relay a call, but a second
layer of checking --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Leaving aside the fact that that didn't

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happen, how do --

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The Press:
Right.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think that --

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The Press:
But if they found anything,
they may not have gotten in.

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The Press:
Are you concerned -- or is the White House

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going to do what's necessary to make sure
the Secret Service is not scapegoated here,

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and that there could be responsibility
for this at the White House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Of course. That's why there's
an investigation, Chip.

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The Press:
But you seem to be steering the
blame toward the Secret Service.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no, no, no, no. Understand I'm simply

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reiterating for the three questions that I
got on the same subject what the U.S. Secret

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Service put out on this last week. Chip, I
have walked with and been next to the Secret

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Service for the two-and-a-half years virtually
every single day that the President has had

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the valuable and brave protection of the United
States Secret Service. Nobody -- nobody is

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more thankful for that than the President,
as well as the country. The President has

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faith in the Secret Service, always
has, and that's not about to change.

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The Press:
Can I change the subject for a second?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We'll go to Chuck, and
maybe somebody will --

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The Press:
Let me start with Afghanistan. This is what
in the March 27th speech -- some of this 

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-- some of the things he said in the March
27th speech sound like what you're previewing

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now. He said, "On benchmarks for Afghanistan,
we cannot turn a blind eye to the corruption

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that causes Afghans to lose faith in their
own leaders. We will seek a new compact with

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the Afghan government that cracks down on
corrupt behavior, sets clear benchmarks, clear

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metrics for international assistance." He
said, "Going forward, we will not blindly

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stay the course, instead we will set clear
methods to measure progress and hold ourselves

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accountable." How much -- how much is that
March 27th speech going to end up being very

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applicable to what we hear tomorrow?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, we were asked in the lead up to
a security forces decision in March about

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whether there would be benchmarks. That answer
then was yes, and the answer now is yes. Obviously,

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as it relates to --

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The Press:
The benchmarks are changing, essentially,
or did we not finish setting the benchmarks?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, we finished setting the benchmarks.

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But, again, we're -- again, not to get ahead
of what the President announces, but I think

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there will be some new
wrinkles to what we're doing.

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The Press:
There have been benchmarks this whole time?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, as reported to Congress, absolutely.

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In terms of the corruption and the governance,
obviously when you mention --

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The Press:
This is a free election, I understand that.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right, and obviously --

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The Press:
It's the same government, though.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, somewhat up in the air,
as of the middle of August, right.

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The Press:
But I guess the thing is that how -- what
is going to be different about what he says

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than from what he said on March 27th? It's
just, like you just said, "new wrinkles" to

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some of this stuff?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I'm going to let the President outline
what the mission is going forward and discuss

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in depth the benchmarks that
will go along with it.

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The Press:
And can you get into the -- I mean, is the

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President going to try to simultaneously assure
folks that we're going to withdraw troops

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in a timely fashion and let allies know we're
there for the long haul? I mean, is -- how

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do you -- I mean, is that a balance
he's going to try to strike?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think nobody should underestimate

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the commitment of a President that has thus
far doubled the number of American men and

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women on the ground in Afghanistan. I don't
think anybody could look at themselves in

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a mirror with a straight face and say that
this President hasn't in any way been anything

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but resolved to doing what has to happen
in Afghanistan to make this country safe.

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The Press:
Really quickly, does the President think there

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should be charges filed against
these folks to set an example?

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Mr. Gibbs:
You know, I --

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The Press:
Does he want them to have some sort of --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have not talked to the President on that.

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Again, the White House would leave that up
to relevant law enforcement to determine whether
law --

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The Press:
But is he concerned about being used --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I mentioned --

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The Press:
-- as a reality TV show?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think the concern goes greatly beyond "The
Real Housewives of D.C." But, yes. I love

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that we've spanned the gamut from -- we've
gone from Afghanistan and now I just said

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"The Real Housewives of D.C."

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The Press:
You said it.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I know. It's a commentary on my life. Jonathan.

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The Press:
On the benchmarks issue, you talked about
benchmarks for success, we're talking about,

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you know, training of Afghan security forces,
stability, corruption in the government. But

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are there also benchmarks for failure, I mean,
and consequences for not reaching those benchmarks?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I don't know the --

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The Press:
In other words, will U.S. forces be withdrawn

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if these benchmarks can't be met?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I'm going to let the President outline
the benchmarks. I think what the President

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believes is we are set -- we will be setting
forward a mission that he believes can be

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attained. I think part of that is we have
to look at -- again, Jonathan, the President

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will look at what that mission is, and make
sure that what we are doing is setting out

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a mission and a series of resources that are
attainable. As I mentioned to Chuck a minute

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ago, there are now twice as many forces there
than were there just a year ago. I think what

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the President has to do clearly with the American
people is let them know that we now have what's

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needed there to accomplish what that mission
is, rather than somehow assuming that we could

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do that with half of what is there now.

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The Press:
One quick housekeeping question. The reporters
who are going up to West Point tomorrow with

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the press -- with the President -- well, not
with the President; with the press charter

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-- will have a whole lot of
time up there. Are there --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Beautiful area.

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The Press:
Are there going to be briefings up there or

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anything available to us?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I will -- I think we will do a briefing by
phone that will allow you, if you're on the

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press charter or not, to take part in. And
I'll double-check -- Tommy mentioned that

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to me earlier.

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The Press:
We're not going to miss out up there?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no, we'll make sure that -- I think
it's all been scheduled around, so we'll just

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-- yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert, I'm wondering why foreign leaders
are being briefed on this before relevant

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members of Congress, and what the difference
is in the briefings that the foreign leaders

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are receiving from members of Congress.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I mean, obviously, when the President
sits down with Congress tomorrow afternoon,

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he will go through a series of detailed decisions
that he has made and has been relayed to the

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chain of command. In terms of briefing our
international partners, understanding that

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ISAF is an international entity made up obviously
with a big, valuable contribution from the

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United States, but when the President talks
with the French, the Germans, the Danes and

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others, it is because they are valuable partners
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I don't believe that any -- I know that nobody
is going to get a briefing that's ahead of

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what the President tells members
of Congress and the American people.

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The Press:
How direct of a message is he going to have

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tomorrow night for enemies in the region,
for Osama bin Laden, for other al Qaeda leaders?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, Peter, we are there and the President

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moved an additional 30-or-so thousand forces
there in March with the stated mission to

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dismantle, disrupt, and destroy al Qaeda.
That mission remains the same. And the President

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will reiterate that tomorrow night and discuss
actions that we can take in that region to

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address violent extremism. I think obviously
that will be a healthy portion of the speech.

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The Press:
Robert, was Mr. Orszag there yesterday when

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the President relayed his decision?

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Mr. Gibbs:
The members that I read out in the Situation
Room -- I'm sorry, in the Oval Office and

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then the Situation Room -- there
was nobody additional to that.

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The Press:
Would the plan be to submit an amended budget

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for fiscal '10 to pay for the war or --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't --

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The Press:
-- would it be put off until fiscal '11?

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Mr. Gibbs:
You know, I -- let me get better guidance
on that decision, and we'll get a better sense

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of that once the President makes a decision.

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The Press:
Has that not come up, how
you're going to handle it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
There have been discussions.

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The Press:
On --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't have anything conclusive.

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The Press:
Do you have a range of the war cost?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, you know, I think the rough math that

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we've used before is applicable for --

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The Press:
One million (dollars) per troop per --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes. I mean, for 10,000 troops it's $10 billion.
That's the rough estimate of what I think

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people have been using both
here and at the Pentagon.

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The Press:
I get the sense, though -- I may be wrong

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-- that the administration just hasn't really
figured out how it's going to pay for this
yet.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I'm not going to get detailed into
some of the discussions that have been had

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here. Roger, the cost of -- the costs of our
involvement in Afghanistan, both in terms

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of our men and women in uniform, the health
of the force, and what this will mean budgetarily

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I can assure you have been part of this
discussion from the very beginning. Major.

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The Press:
Is the White House open or opposed to a war

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tax -- being talked about on
Capitol Hill -- just yes or no.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I haven't talked to anybody --

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The Press:
About a war tax?

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- I have not heard discussions about that

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so I don't know what the --

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The Press:
There have been no discussions that you're
aware of here at the White House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have not been involved in any of those and

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I have not heard of any.

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The Press:
No position one way or the other?

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00:30:48,441 --> 00:30:48,991
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, it would be hard for me to gain a position
if I haven't heard the talk about it.

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The Press:
You told us this morning that the President's

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conversations with various international leaders
is not to inform them specifically of what

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he intends to do. Is part of the reason that
the President will hear from them commitments

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that they are likely to make that he can include
in the speech tomorrow night to explain to

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the American people not only what the United
States is going to do, but what international

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partners are going to do?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think there's no doubt -- again,
reiterating what I said earlier -- this is

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an international effort. This is not one country's
problem, because terrorism does not affect

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just one country, or quite frankly, one region
of the world. It affects London. It affects

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Madrid. It affects a whole host of areas.
I'm going to -- I'd refer you to NATO in terms

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of whether or not there are specific contributions,
or individual countries about specific troop

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contributions that they may make as part of
this. As you know, there's a ministerial conference

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that Secretary of State Clinton will attend,
I believe, on the fourth of December, and

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a force generation conference in NATO that
will take place on the 7th of December. Suffice

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to say, the President believes that this has
to be an increased international effort to

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deal with this problem.

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The Press:
And related to that, it may be that these
conversations yield details the President

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can communicate to the American public tomorrow
night. I mean, these conversations he is having

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with this variety of --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I have seen already reports today
of British announcements. As I said earlier,

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the Australians committed a greater number
of forces back in the spring when the President

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dedicated more American forces, so some of
this has come as a part of the security build

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up toward the elections, some of this may
come as new force contributions.

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The Press:
You said the primary mission the President

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will talk about going forward will be training
Afghan forces. It will also, obviously, be

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a combat mission --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, there's no doubt that there will be
some amount of counterterrorism, and they'll

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be fighting back against the insurgency.

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The Press:
That will go side by side --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Sure.

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The Press:
-- but --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Those efforts will continue.

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The Press:
Right, but you -- the primary mission -- 
the new primary mission will be, of these

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new forces, will be --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think there has to be a renewed emphasis
on the training of Afghan national security

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forces. Again, we aren't going to be there
forever. And we can't -- and we don't have

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the resources -- manpower or budgetarily 
-- to be the primary -- to be primarily responsible

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for the security of Afghanistan. Afghans have
to be primarily responsible for that security

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through increased training, so that once an
area is cleared or held it can be transferred

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eventually to Afghans to do.

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00:33:47,231 --> 00:33:52,491
The Press:
On climate change, why is it a good idea for
the President to arrive near the beginning

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of the climate talk negotiations as opposed
to end, when the ultimate deal is going to

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00:33:58,811 --> 00:34:05,731
be struck? And secondarily, does the White
House have any evaluation or comment on this

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controversy of the hacked e-mails that suggest
that some of the underlying science through

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some of the propositions put forward by climatologists
may be in error or may have been altered in some way?

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Mr. Gibbs:
On the second part, I think Carol Browner
addressed that last week, on the order of

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several thousand scientists have come to the
conclusion that climate change is happening.

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I don't think that's anything that is, quite
frankly, among -- most people -- in dispute

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anymore. In terms of when the President goes,
obviously we believe that progress has been

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made with developing nations -- the U.S. has
made some progress with the Chinese and the

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Indians over the past couple of weeks. The
President will travel to Oslo on the 10th,

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and believed it was important to use this
visit to help get us to the point of a deal

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-- something that can take the type of action
that scientists say need to be taken to stop

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and reverse climate change. I think the President
believes that a visit happening at the beginning

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is just as important as it would be at any
point to getting that deal going quicker.

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The Press:
Can I follow up on -- can
I follow that one up?

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The Press:
Is it possible, Robert, that the White House
could have done something more to assist the

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Secret Service to prevent
that situation from arriving?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, there's an ongoing investigation.

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The Press:
Is it possible that the White
House should have done more?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I assume that's what the
investigation will detail.

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The Press:
Just a two-part -- only two.

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- a two-part.

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(laughter)
My son does that.

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The Press:
Are you aware of a list, the published list

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of 31,000 scientists who oppose
this idea of global warming?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't doubt that there --

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The Press:
And 6,000 of them are PhDs.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't doubt that there's such a list, Lester.

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I think there's no real scientific
basis for the dispute of this.

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The Press:
Okay. And the White House list of those attending

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the first state dinner listed: "The Honorable
Robert Gibbs, White House Press Secretary."

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And my question, can you name any previous
press secretaries who were given the title

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usually reserved for judges
and elected political leaders?

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(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
Speaking on background -- (laughter) -- as
somebody intimately familiar with the thinking

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of "The Honorable Robert Gibbs" --

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The Press:
I didn't say you were dishonorable.
(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
I thought it was --

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The Press:
Did you come up with this? Was this your idea?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, exactly -- I write all those. Look, it

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was a flattering promotion that I'm sure the
press secretary was quite honored to have.

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(laughter)

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The Press:
The President wanted this?
Do you think he wanted this?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Lester, I daresay that the President is quite

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busy doing a number of things; I seriously
doubt he was proofreading the press release

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guest list. But I will double-check on that.

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The Press:
Thank you very much.

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The Press:
Thanks, Robert. Last night, in briefing his
senior advisors on his decision, essentially

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it's closing the book on the internal deliberations
that have lasted months over this and there's

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been some sharp disagreements on approach.
And I'm wondering, is the President at all

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concerned about the morale of this group of
advisors that came around and talked about

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this for months? There will be
some "winners" and "losers" in --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I've got to say, Scott, I think that -- and

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I know you all have an opportunity to hear
from and talk to people that participated

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in what I think to a person would say were
discussions that have made this policy better.

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I don't -- look, I know there's a Washington
game of trying to pick winners and losers.

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I think when people step back and look at
what the President's ultimate decision will

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be, I think that everybody sitting in that
room had a valuable contribution in making

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this a better policy for the men and women
in our armed services, and quite frankly,

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for each and every American. I don't think
anybody participated in this process thinking,

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if I argue something in the Situation Room
and it's not adopted that somehow I've lost.

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I think each and every person -- I daresay
 -- well, I won't say that. But I think each

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and every person helped contribute to making
this a better policy for the United States.

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The Press:
And a quick follow. You have the commanding

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general in Afghanistan and the top American
diplomat in Afghanistan who sort of publicly

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00:39:13,321 --> 00:39:18,421
disagreed over approach. Is there a concern
specific to them, can they get together and

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carry out whatever decision --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Without getting into what was talked about
last night in the Situation Room, I think

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suffice to say that leaving that discussion
last night both of those individuals in Afghanistan

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and the President felt very good
about our way forward. Sheryl.

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The Press:
Robert, changing the topic quickly to health

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care, does the President still believe that
he'll be signing health legislation by the

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end of the year?

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Mr. Gibbs:
He hopes he is.

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The Press:
But does he -- you say he "hopes" so. In the
past he's said he expects to sign it by the

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end of the year. Does he --

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Mr. Gibbs:
He hopes to expect to sign it.

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The Press:
Does he still expect that
he will be signing --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know why we would move the deadline

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now. Yes, Mark.

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The Press:
Robert, can I come back to the cost again?
I just want to be clear about what the President

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is going to say tomorrow night and maybe to
ask what he's not going to say. He's not going

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to say it's going to cost X amount and here's
exactly how we're going to pay for it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me go back and see where we are on the

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latest draft of the speech in terms of the
degree of specificity. I think the President

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will talk about and allude to the cost. I
don't know if it gets down to the granularity

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of the exact dollar amount for each and everything.
I think some of that will -- Mark, quite frankly,

549
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some of that is going to depend on decisions
that ultimately are made -- logistical decisions

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that are ultimately made.

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The Press:
Understanding that, but he's clearly not going
to give us a plan for how he's going to pay

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for it tomorrow night, correct?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't think that the intention of the speech
is to lay out a lengthy discourse on that.

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The Press:
But wasn't the President pretty scathing

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about the Bush administration's
failure to do that with Iraq?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I think the -- I think what Mara just

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mentioned was that this was something that
was not contemplated as being part of the

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regular process of all this. Look, we've talked
about this before. One of the reasons that

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we're involved in a lengthy debate on health
care is we've had a lengthy debate about how

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we're going to pay for an initiative of the
President. I anticipate that these are discussions

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that will be joined as it relates to other
priorities as well, including the war in Afghanistan.

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The Press:
Can I ask, Robert, just two Afghanistan questions?

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One, what's your answer to the people who
say by stressing over and over again that

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this won't be open-ended, you're basically
telling our enemies just wait us out, and

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our -- or as well, allies, hedge your bets,
because we're going to be leaving?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That to me doesn't make any logical sense.

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I mean, if you -- if you're to believe that
a certain insurgency has the momentum and

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they're increasingly occupying and attacking
and gathering more space, are you saying that

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all we have to do is say we're going to leave
at a certain date and they'll stop their 

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-- they'll stop their pursuit or their momentum?
If that's the case, then, maybe the President

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should just say that. I mean, it doesn't actually
make any -- I mean, it's a great talking point.

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It doesn't actually make any logical
-- it doesn't make any logical sense.

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The Press:
Well, what about the argument to our erstwhile

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allies like people in Pakistan, or even warlords
in Afghanistan, that they'll hedge their bets,

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because they're not sure if
we are going to stay or go.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Mara, when the President put his hand on the

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Bible on a cold day in January, there were
half as many forces as there are now. There

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isn't anybody with a straight face that can
question the resolve of this Commander-In-Chief

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to put the appropriate resources on what he
believes was an urgent threat to our national

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security. Again, I don't know anybody
that could make that logical argument.

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The Press:
Also, just a follow-up on Scott's question

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about the process. This was an extraordinary
process, a lot of meetings, a lot of questioning

583
00:43:03,971 --> 00:43:07,961
of assumptions. It went -- bored down in a
way that maybe is unprecedented actually,

584
00:43:07,961 --> 00:43:08,931
in a way.

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Mr. Gibbs:
And I think -- I would tell you this, and
I'll let you finish your question. I think

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the President and every participant would tell
you they're glad of that, that what happened

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00:43:16,961 --> 00:43:23,961
was we bored down on this in a way that I
daresay had not yet been done. Without revealing

588
00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:32,441
confidences, there was discussions in these
meetings about the fact that we were talking

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about a resource -- an effort that had been
under-resourced for quite some time.

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The Press:
But could you elaborate on -- was there a

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00:43:41,561 --> 00:43:48,561
turning point in this process? Was there a
moment when the President kind of chose Path

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A instead of Path B? Or could you talk a little
bit more about this extraordinary --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't think there was a single inflection

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point or "Eureka!" or epiphany. I think over
the course of these discussions there -- 

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the President and a group of advisors, his
group of advisors, settled on a decision that

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I think you'll hear tomorrow people
are very comfortable with.

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The Press:
Robert, speaking of epiphanies, the President

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hasn't had a full press conference for
more than four months now. And your --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Lucky him.

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00:44:30,581 --> 00:44:31,611
(laughter)

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00:44:31,611 --> 00:44:34,591
The Press:
And his appearances with joint leaders have
been cut down to one question on each side.

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Does he feel that that kind of exchange with
the press is no longer useful to him?

603
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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I think we've got some upcoming interviews

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with ABC, which I think would probably provide
the President with the unique opportunity --

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The Press:
Yes, my question was press conferences.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, I understand. I just picked that as
 -- I picked that network just out of thin

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air. I think the President has -- in fact,
I think the last time we got a question about

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the President answering questions, if I'm
not mistaken, it was -- wasn't it couched

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in the notion that he was overexposed? Hard
for me to imagine that the President would

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submit himself to so many questions that the
punditocracy (sic) would say he's overexposed,

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but the new thing happens to be that
he's not answering enough questions.

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The Press:
The question is the format, Robert.

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Mr. Gibbs:
The President enjoys taking your questions

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and questions from reporters throughout this
process, and I assume he'll continue to do
so.

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The Press:
Robert, you said this morning that the President
had given orders in the Oval Office over the

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weekend. Can you say what -- are they being
carried out now? What's happening? Are people

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being ordered --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I anticipate that they are being acted upon
by those whose job it is to implement them,
yes.

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The Press:
Meaning that --

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The Press:
Since General McChrystal will be in town,
will he be here tomorrow or up on Capitol

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Hill later this week?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I believe that General McChrystal will be
in Afghanistan tomorrow, and I believe in

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the coming days -- I don't know exactly when
 -- he and Ambassador Eikenberry will travel

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to the Hill to testify. David.

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The Press:
Earlier you said that the primary mission
in Afghanistan is to train and set up the

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Afghan security and police forces to
fight the unpopular insurgency there.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right -- our partnering with them, yes.

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The Press:
Now, you didn't mention al Qaeda in that statement.

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I assume there's a connection. Can you lay
out what the connection is? And does the President

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still believe that -- let me ask you this,
put it this way -- how does the President

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these days assess the threat posed to the
United States by whatever remains of al Qaeda?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I don't think you have to dig deep into

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news clips to see -- and you certainly don't
into the President's daily intelligence briefing

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-- that the threat from al Qaeda exists in
very real ways, not just emanating from the

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border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan
but throughout the world. The reason that

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al Qaeda was in Afghanistan was because al
Qaeda had the safe haven protection of a government

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run by the Taliban. I think what the President
will discuss tomorrow is ensuring that we

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prevent the Taliban from being capable of
controlling the government of Afghanistan,

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as well as incapable of providing safe haven
from which al Qaeda can plot and undertake

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terrorist activities like we've seen
happen previously in the United States.

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The Press:
But to do that, do you have to have complete

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success with the counterinsurgency so that
there is no -- there are no remnants left

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of the Taliban?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I'll let the President go through
some of that tomorrow. George.

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The Press:
Congressman Obey and Murtha today put in the

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bill calling for the war surtax starting in
2011. I understand you said you haven't heard

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any discussion on it, but when the President
meets with members and senators tomorrow,

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will he give them any guidance on that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me check and get some guidance.

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The Press:
The administration is going to try again to
engage Iran, continue the process that started

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a few months ago, or should we be at a turning
point after the announcement of Iran yesterday?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's a question for the Iranians. The Iranians

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should quite clearly understand their responsibilities
and obligations under international treaty

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that they signed, okay? The Iranians have
been rebuked for their actions with a single

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-- by a single international voice through
a strong vote in the IAEA board of governors.

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If they make a decision to fulfill their responsibilities
and obligations, then the international community

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would welcome that. If they decide not to
fulfill those responsibilities and obligations,

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then all I can say to the Iranians
is, time is running out.

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The Press:
Thank you.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Thanks, guys.