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Mr. Gibbs:
Take us away, Ben.

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The Press:
Thanks, Robert.

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A few questions
about Afghanistan.

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Can you tell us, first
generally speaking,

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what's the President's reaction
to the end of this election?

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And is he in any way
relieved that this sort

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of messy process is over?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I
think by all accounts,

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this has been a
difficult process.

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This is the first election
run by the Afghans.

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But I think the President,
the embassy there,

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and everyone can take heart in
the notion that the laws of

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Afghanistan and the institutions
of Afghanistan prevailed in both instances.

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The President will telephone --
President Obama will telephone

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President Karzai within
the next half hour,

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and we'll have a readout from
that phone call for you all

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right after that.

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The Press:
Speaking of that, you've
talked a lot about the

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need for a credible,
legitimate partner.

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Does the President consider
President Karzai to be a

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legitimate, credible partner?

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Mr. Gibbs:
President Karzai has been
declared the winner of the

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Afghan election and will
head the next government of Afghanistan.

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So obviously he's the legitimate
leader of the country.

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Obviously what we'll begin --
now that we know the government

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that will lead Afghanistan
for the next five years,

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continue conversations about
governance, civil society,

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and corruption, going forward to
ensure that we have a credible

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partner in our efforts to
help secure the country.

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The Press:
How does this
resolution, if at all,

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affect the President's
timetable on war strategy?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, again, I think there's
-- we obviously now know

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who the government
is going to be,

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so I think some of the
conversations that I just

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alluded to can take place with
who we know is going to lead the country.

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I think the decision is still
-- will be made in the coming weeks.

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Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
The President said today that
he expect more job losses.

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And his comments today suggested
more than ever that he might

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take action -- more
actions to stem the tide,

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to improve the jobs picture.

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What kind of thing
might he want to do?

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And also, when do you think that
the jobs picture might show some

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-- more improvement?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I would point you to
the meeting that was just

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held, which I think
you all watched,

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for ideas that the President's
Economic Recovery Advisory Board

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-- ideas that they have and that
they shared with the President today.

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I know that the President
and the economic team will

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evaluate those proposals.

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In terms of help, we've said
throughout this process that the

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team is continually looking
at ideas that will create an

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environment for sustained
economic growth.

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I know that's what the President
-- the ideas the President

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wanted to hear today, and I
think that's what he got.

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In terms of -- look, I don't
know what the jobs picture will

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be at the end of this week, but
I know that the President is

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focused on working to create an
atmosphere to create more jobs.

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I think we took a
big step forward.

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We can't have job growth until
we begin to have economic growth.

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And for the first time
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the economy registered
positive economic growth,

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according to statistics
released last week.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
President Obama, last
month in Pittsburgh,

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said of the Afghan
elections and the aftermath,

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"What's most important is that
there's a sense of legitimacy in

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Afghanistan among the Afghan
people for their government."

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Is there a sense of legitimacy
in Afghanistan among the Afghan

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people for the
Karzai government?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I have no reason
to believe there is not.

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The Press:
Well, Abdullah
Abdullah, as you know,

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one of the demands -- or the
only demand at the end that he

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asked for from Karzai to
continue with this runoff was

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for the head of the IEC to be
replaced because there was such

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a lack of trust in him
after the last election.

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Karzai refused.

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So obviously Abdullah Abdullah
feels that there is a lack of

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credibility in the IEC.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Dr. Abdullah made
his own personal and

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political decision about
this particular runoff.

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I think if you look at the
election results even after the

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investigation of allegations
of fraud, which, by the way,

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worked, throwing out enough
votes to require a second round

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and convincing President
Karzai to participate in that,

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which clearly was not a -- by
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even in that balloting you saw
that Dr. Abdullah trailed by a

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fairly large margin
President Karzai.

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So I don't see -- I don't think
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that the Afghan people won't
think this government is as

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legitimate as it is.

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The Press:
Well, the reason would
be that the last election

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was considered tainted by
fraud and that's the only

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election they've had.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, and those
results were thrown out.

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The fraud was reported,
investigated.

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The committees that you talk
about threw out those votes.

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A second round was scheduled
and the participant,

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the second participant in the
second round, decided, again,

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for personal and
political reasons,

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not to take part
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I don't know how you can have an
election of two candidates if

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the one who finishes second
decides not to participate,

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even after the laws and
institutions of the government

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threw out what he declared
were fraudulent results

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from the first one.

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The Press:
Personal political reasons?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I said "personal and political."

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The Press:
The reasons were he said
there would be -- he would

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have no faith or trust in this
election because the last one

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was so riddled with fraud,
and the same head of the IEC

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was going to be --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know how you
could presume something was

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going to happen before it did.

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The Press:
So then how do you have
a legitimate election if

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basically just the only
other candidate drops out?

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I mean, it's not like they've
actually moved forward and

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cleaned up the fraud.

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How is that legitimate?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, first, let's
understand the fraud

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was talked about, investigated.

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Millions of votes
were thrown out,

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that it required a second round.

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Ed, if the participant, the
second participant in the

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election decides for his own
reasons not to participate in

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that election, would you suggest
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require a second
participant to --

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The Press:
The person who allegedly
committed the fraud or

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had the fraud committed on
his behalf, President Karzai,

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is now going to stay
on as the leader.

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Mr. Gibbs:
But, again, you guys
have -- I appreciate,

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but you've skipped an entire
range of -- remember,

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we were talking just probably 10
days ago about whether President

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Karzai would even accept the
ruling that threw out millions

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of ballots that required him
to go through a second round.

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That was certainly not given.

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That was something
that -- again,

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the fraud -- the
fraud was analyzed;

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a decision was made to throw
out millions of ballots to push

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somebody under 50 percent,
which required a second round.

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The Press:
But you've repeatedly said
in recent days that there

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-- you need to have
a credible partner.

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When Ben asked you that
question at the top,

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is he a credible partner, you
said he's a legitimate leader.

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You didn't say he's credible.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, because -- listen
to the second part of the

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question and my answer with Ben.

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Nobody said -- nobody has
ever made the accusation that

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credibility was going to be had
simply out of one election.

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That would have been
true, quite frankly,

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whomever got elected and
whoever participated.

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The conversations that now have
to be had and continue with the

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Afghan government are the steps
that they're going to take to

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improve their governance, to
improve their civil society,

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and to address fraud
and corruption.

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There's no doubt about that.

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But that wasn't all going
to be had at a ballot box.

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The Press:
So why did you say a
moment ago that the troop

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decision is going
to come in weeks,

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which you've been
saying for weeks,

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when Rahm Emanuel was on some
programs a couple of weekends

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ago saying that we've got to
wait till this runoff -- when we

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have the runoff, then
we'll know the leader,

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we'll know the government
we're dealing with you.

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As you acknowledged
a moment ago,

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we now know it's
President Karzai.

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Mr. Gibbs:
This decision was not
dependent upon when a

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leader was determined.

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We've never said that.

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The Press:
Rahm clearly said we had
to wait until after the

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runoff because you have to
figure out who's actually going

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to be in charge.

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We now know.

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Mr. Gibbs:
There are a number of
decisions that have to be made.

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One of them -- this was not
simply predicated on when or if

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this election was
held and when it was.

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The Press:
What else does he need
-- what else does the

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President need to make
the decision then?

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Mr. Gibbs:
The President is
working with his national

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security team to evaluate, as I
think you saw many people say

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yesterday on the news shows, how
best to formulate a strategy

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that supports the
goal of disrupting,

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dismantling and ultimately
destroying al Qaeda.

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That's what the
team is working on,

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and they had a productive
meeting with the Joint Chiefs

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just at the end of last week.

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The Press:
Robert, you can talk all
you want about the law

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having prevailed,
but in the end,

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you're left with
somebody who the U.S.

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has been dodging for months
because he hasn't been a

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reliable partner, and yet he's
now your only -- your only alternative.

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And what does this do to the
decision-making process here?

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It hasn't been made
any easier, certainly.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, our problems
don't generally get easier

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dealing with anything, Bill.

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As I said in response to at
least two previous questions,

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now begin the hard conversations
about ensuring credibility and

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ensuring -- improving
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addressing corruption.

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The Press:
These are conversations
you tried to have

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before the election.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, we are focused on
what has to happen in order

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to have a credible partner so
that there is a -- there will be

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a point in this process where
the United States is not going

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to stay forever.

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I've said that a hundred times.

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At some point, what is built
and what is secured has to be

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transferred to somebody else,
has to be transferred to a

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government in Afghanistan
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That's what we're focused on now
that we know who that government

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will be, going forward
for the next five years.

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The Press:
Yes, but now, given
what's transpired,

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how long is it going to take
to decide whether you have a

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credible partner and whether
the United States should commit

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further troops and resources?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's what -- that's
part of the decision-making

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process that's ongoing.

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The Press:
Yes, but it's
been going on forever,

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as your critics
have pointed out.

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The Press:
Can you elaborate on this
"personal and political

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decision" from Dr. Abdullah?

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You referred to it two
or three times now.

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He made a personal,
political decision.

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That's a -- it sounds like --
are you playing Afghan pundit here?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No. I generally avoid
playing American pundit,

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let along Afghan pundit.

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The Press:
What is the political
-- what evidence --

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Mr. Gibbs:
What's the equivalent of Afghan
"Meet The Press?" I don't -

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(laughter)

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The Press:
What is the equivalent --

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The Press:
You don't want to know.

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(laughter)

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The Press:
It's the longest running
show probably in Afghanistan.

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(laughter)

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Tell me about -- what's the
evidence that it was a political decision?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm just saying that he
made a decision for probably

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a series of reasons --

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The Press:
Can you elaborate?

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You've already said
it's political.

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Can you elaborate a little bit?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think you saw some
of this over the weekend.

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There were decisions that
he made to no longer be a

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contestant in this race.

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The Press:
Who in the U.S. government has
reached out to Dr. Abdullah over

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the last few days?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know if folks at
the State Department or

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others have -- you
should check with them.

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The Press:
Is the President at
all having any --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, the President
will speak --

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The Press:
Is there any chance he's
going to make a phone --

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- is probably on the phone
in the next few minutes

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with President Karzai.

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But, look, I don't think there's
any doubt that Dr. Abdullah will

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play a role, it's quite clear,
going forward in Afghanistan.

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And I think that anybody -- we
would obviously want to be in

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consultation with a number of
people that are going to have

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roles going forward
in Afghanistan.

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The Press:
Are you still going to
reach out to tribal leaders

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that don't really have a
relationship with the central

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government in Afghanistan as
you do the strategy review?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, obviously
there's an evaluation that's

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going on on governance issues,
not just in Kabul but throughout

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the country, and certainly
that will be part of it.

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The Press:
On tomorrow's elections,

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what do you tell generic
Democratic Congressman X not to

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read into the results in
New Jersey or Virginia?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I would --
well, I think, one,

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I'd wait for the results
to talk to Congressman X,

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without -- like I said, I
don't want to play pundit in

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Afghanistan or certainly don't
want to pre-play pundit here.

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Obviously, as we talked about --

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The Press:
Are you guys going to take
a lot of credit if Corzine

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wins, but then --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I would point you to
the answer I gave on Friday,

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which is I don't think that
these elections will portend a

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lot for what happens in 2010 any
more than the 2001 elections

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seemed to denote relative
electoral legislative strength

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for President Bush in 2002.

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It's just --

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The Press:
But are you concerned that
some Democratic incumbents

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in Congress might
suddenly be tougher --

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- the results based on
the pundits on cable TV?

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That and corporate governance --
or corruption in governance are

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at the top of my list today.

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The Press:
I thought that al Qaeda was
mostly defeated in Afghanistan.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, we want to ensure that --

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The Press:
Isn't it now the Taliban
that you're going after?

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Mr. Gibbs:
We want to ensure that
a safe haven can't be

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created in which they could come
back and establish a stronghold

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with which to plan
and attack us.

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The Press:
So you're going to send
40,000 troops more to do that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's -- the discussion
about what to do in terms of

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troop levels is one aspect
of a larger strategy on

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how to deal with our goal
of disrupting, dismantling,

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and ultimately
destroying al Qaeda.

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The Press:
How are you going to pull up
short the Afghan government?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry, how are we --

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The Press:
How are you going to
make them do more?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think that's a
conversation that's probably

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beginning in the Oval
Office right now.

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The Press:
-- put no conditions
on any country.

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Pakistan wants how many million
and you say, okay, go ahead,

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we don't have any conditions.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, that's -- Helen, you
know better than that,

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that that's not true
with our assistance.

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The Press:
Well, what conditions
were there on Pakistan?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, we had a big back-and
forth about -- just two weeks

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about whether there were too
many conditions on our aid

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in Pakistan, didn't we?

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Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
On the Economic
Recovery Board meeting,

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how seriously do you
take these proposals?

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Is this part of an ongoing
dialogue with the White House,

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or are these three individual
proposals or presentations,

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as the President referred to
them -- are they the beginning

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of a solid basis for creating
jobs over the next year or so?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, you heard the President
reiterate in his comments when

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the pool was in there
that we have for years had

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sort of bubble and bust, and
that with what happened a year

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ago, a little more than a year
ago, we now have to find stable,

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fundamental economic footing for
stable and fundamental economic

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growth; that we need to create
jobs in things like clean energy

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that we know are growth
industries for the future,

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rather than having economic
growth predicated on free credit

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or other aspects of
consumer spending;

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that we have to have stable
ideas for that economic growth.

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These were obviously ideas that
three believe can begin that

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process and the President wanted
to listen to their ideas,

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and they'll be further examined
here by the economic team in

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consultation with
those individuals.

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The Press:
But they were quite
concrete ones -- an

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infrastructure bank --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Which is something the
President has talked about

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-- the infrastructure
bank as far back --

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The Press:
Right. So were these vetted and
were these proposals created in

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concert with the White House?

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Were they vetted in advance?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, some
of the -- again,

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the infrastructure bank is
something that the President

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discussed heading back
into the campaign.

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Weatherization is something that
is beginning to take place as

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part of the recovery plan.

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The question is, can you create
more jobs by expanding that and

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also helping to take care of
another problem like energy

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efficiency, which we all know is
a big avenue towards saving --

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toward doing something
about greenhouse gases.

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The Press:
So can we look at these
proposals as the basis for

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a jobs creation program going
forward over the next year?

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Mr. Gibbs:
You can as -- for what
was presented by this

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group to the President.

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The President will -- was happy
to listen and was happy to get

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the ideas, and will now further
evaluate whether they make the

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basis for something
that we might propose.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
What does Karzai have to do
to become a credible partner?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, what I've broadly
listed here before.

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Obviously there's -- we know
there are problems related to

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corruption that have to be
addressed moving forward.

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I think that's -- clearly we've
got to -- as assistance is given

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to Afghanistan, we've got to
make sure that that assistance

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for things like economic
development and growth get down

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to the people that need it.

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I would think that's
certainly one good example.

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The Press:
Is the President laying
out guideposts for him or

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markers that he
has to take to --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know that the
conversation that's

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happening right now
will get that specific,

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but I can assure you that
throughout this process our team

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at the embassy, under the
guidance of Ambassador

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Eikenberry, have been discussing
with both candidates the need to

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ensure that this happens with
whomever is elected to lead this government.

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The Press:
Just one more question.

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So would it be accurate to say
then that thousands of American

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troops are on duty in a country
that's led by a guy who is not

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credible, not reliable, and
running a corrupt government?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I didn't say that.

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I said that we are working with
our Afghan partners to ensure

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that as we move forward,
as I said earlier,

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when ultimately we leave there's
somebody there that can sustain

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the progress that's been made.

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Obviously one of the things that
has been talked quite a bit

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about in the Situation Room
meetings is how do we create an

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environment that best trains
Afghan National Army and Afghan

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National Police as part of an
Afghan national security force.

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I'm sure those are conversations
that are going to be had,

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because like we've seen
in other countries,

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unless there's a protection
and security force there,

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it really is not
matter what we do if,

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when the area is vacated
by American troops,

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the same people that caused
trouble that led us to come

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there come back because there's
no resistance to them doing so.

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The Press:
Following up on
Peter's questions,

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it seems like the President has
some new leverage over Karzai

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now to insist on the governance
reforms and the other ones

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mentioned and he could hold off,
delay on his troop decision

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until he gets some pledge --
does he have some new leverage

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over this to insist on the
reforms until he makes a decision?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think -- well,

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obviously there are a number of
decisions that have to be made

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before ultimately
a troop decision.

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But, Roger, understand
that what we talked about,

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what we've talked
about for weeks now,

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is you're not -- we're not
making a decision about whether

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we are leaving Afghanistan.

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We currently have 68,000
American forces in addition to I

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think probably another 35,000 or
40,000 NATO forces for a pretty

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large force there.

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And a number of countries
throughout the world obviously

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have a great interest in these
governance issues and the type

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of things that have to happen,
which is why I mentioned that

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some of these discussions have
been had even before today.

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The Press:
But the President
could still insist

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that -- on a commitment.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think
-- I will tell you this.

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I don't think anybody -- I
don't think anybody sitting and

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participating in any of the
meetings about a strategy going

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forward would tell you that if
we don't have a partner that can

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do all of the things
that I mentioned,

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that all the troops in the world
are going to make it successful.

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I've seen Democrats and
Republicans on television say that.

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I've seen ambassadors and
generals make the very same

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point in the meetings that we've
had in the Situation Room.

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The Press:
Can I do a separate
quick question?

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On the campaign yesterday,
the campaign trip yesterday,

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roughly how much did
it cost yesterday?

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And did Corzine
pay, or DNC, or --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'd have to refer to
one of these guys on

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reimbursement and what
the DNC does on that.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
You said now that we have
-- know who's going to be

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the leader of Afghanistan, you
can have conversations to ensure

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a credible partner.

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Do you mean that the President's
talks with Hamid Karzai will

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figure into his decision
about strategy --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, again, I
think to assume that you're

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going to increase a force there
without knowing -- without

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having a sense of what that
entity is going to do,

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of course that plays into it.

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Like I said -- let me just
repeat what I said to Roger.

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There's nobody -- again, there's
nobody in the Situation Room,

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whether they have -- whether
they carry an ambassador's

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briefcase or a lock
bag from the Pentagon,

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that would tell you that the
partnership and the governance

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of Afghanistan doesn't
mean -- well, let me say,

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nobody would make the point that
any strategy could be successful

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without successful
governance of Afghanistan.

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The Press:
And given the somewhat
less than sterling

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governance of Afghanistan, it
would seem we're talking about

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what John Kerry called last
week "good enough governance."

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Is good enough governance in
Afghanistan good enough to put

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the lives of American servicemen
and women on the line?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, obviously we have
national security concerns

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with ensuring, as I
mentioned to Helen,

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that the Taliban are not able to
create a safe haven that allows

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extremists like al Qaeda back
into the country to disrupt the

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government in Afghanistan
and Kabul and plan attacks

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on the United States.

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But again, I would reiterate
simply that there isn't anybody

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involved in any of these
meetings that wouldn't say that

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the situation doesn't have to
get better in order for any

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strategy to work.

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Again, I think it was -- I'll
go back and pull a quote from I

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think from Senator Graham on
"Meet The Press" that said,

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00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:22,800
you know, we can -- I think I've
got this right -- that we could

465
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,930
put a million troops there, but
if you don't have a partner

466
00:25:25,934 --> 00:25:30,434
that's working with you, none
of that's going to matter. Scott.

467
00:25:30,433 --> 00:25:35,203
The Press:
A couple of logistics questions
upon where the review is.

468
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,330
What happens this week?

469
00:25:36,333 --> 00:25:37,863
Who will the President
be meeting with?

470
00:25:37,867 --> 00:25:40,937
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't have an update
for the week ahead and I

471
00:25:40,934 --> 00:25:43,564
don't know if another meeting
this week will be scheduled.

472
00:25:43,567 --> 00:25:46,337
I know -- he mentioned at the
end of the last meeting with the

473
00:25:46,333 --> 00:25:48,533
Joint Chiefs that he looked
forward to seeing them again,

474
00:25:48,533 --> 00:25:50,603
and I don't know if that's
this week or early next.

475
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,770
The Press:
Just a quick follow.

476
00:25:52,767 --> 00:25:57,797
Is the U.S. encouraging talks
between President Karzai and

477
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,030
Dr. Abdullah on his joining the
administration in some capacity?

478
00:26:02,033 --> 00:26:06,833
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me get some guidance
from our guys in Kabul on that.

479
00:26:06,834 --> 00:26:08,204
The Press:
Can you get back to
all of us on that?

480
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,070
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

481
00:26:09,066 --> 00:26:10,966
The Press:
A couple of questions about
the phone call between the

482
00:26:10,967 --> 00:26:12,737
President and President Karzai.

483
00:26:12,734 --> 00:26:13,734
First, when was the last --

484
00:26:13,734 --> 00:26:15,434
Mr. Gibbs:
Keep in mind that it's
happening right now and I've --

485
00:26:15,433 --> 00:26:17,503
The Press:
I understand, but when
was the last time they

486
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:20,500
spoke, either by telephone
or videoconference --

487
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:25,600
Mr. Gibbs:
He spoke with both President
Karzai, Dr. Abdullah,

488
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,770
and Ambassador Eikenberry the
morning that Karzai said he

489
00:26:31,767 --> 00:26:33,767
would participate
in the second round.

490
00:26:33,767 --> 00:26:39,437
The Press:
Okay. And how would you
characterize the conversation

491
00:26:39,433 --> 00:26:42,133
-- realizing it's taking
place right now -- this is not,

492
00:26:42,133 --> 00:26:43,303
I assume, a congratulatory -

493
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,300
(laughter)

494
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:45,330
Mr. Gibbs:
This is like the Jeopardy
version -- "What is" --

495
00:26:45,333 --> 00:26:46,503
The Press:
No, no, no.

496
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:50,370
But was the President content
to do something more than simply

497
00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:52,867
call President Karzai
and congratulate him?

498
00:26:52,867 --> 00:26:55,897
Was this to be a substantive
conversation about the

499
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,000
President's
decision-making process?

500
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,330
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't want to get
ahead of the readout.

501
00:26:59,333 --> 00:27:04,363
Let me get a readout on
exactly what transpired,

502
00:27:04,367 --> 00:27:05,697
rather than pre-judge.

503
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:11,070
The Press:
Can I ask is he asking specific
things of President Karzai --

504
00:27:11,066 --> 00:27:13,996
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me get -- we'll get a
readout out shortly to you

505
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,700
guys on the call.

506
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:18,470
The Press:
Okay. And then separately on
a domestic issue, health care,

507
00:27:18,467 --> 00:27:22,537
a lot of chatter -- I know you
addressed this last week -- on

508
00:27:22,533 --> 00:27:25,933
Capitol Hill about the
constitutionality of an

509
00:27:25,934 --> 00:27:30,434
individual mandate, with
conservatives like Orrin Hatch

510
00:27:30,433 --> 00:27:32,233
I think complaining
it's not constitutional.

511
00:27:32,233 --> 00:27:35,633
Have the White House lawyers
looked at this issue,

512
00:27:35,633 --> 00:27:38,463
or has this been examined
in any way that you know of?

513
00:27:38,467 --> 00:27:39,597
Mr. Gibbs:
Not that I know of.

514
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,430
I mean, I don't think it's
gotten to the point where

515
00:27:41,433 --> 00:27:43,763
anybody questions
the legitimacy of it.

516
00:27:43,767 --> 00:27:46,137
The Press:
Well, Orrin Hatch
questions the legitimacy.

517
00:27:46,133 --> 00:27:50,633
Mr. Gibbs:
Then you should ask him.

518
00:27:50,633 --> 00:27:53,033
The Press:
Do you not feel that there's
any concern at all about whether

519
00:27:53,033 --> 00:27:58,033
or not it's constitutional for
Congress to impose a mandate?

520
00:27:58,033 --> 00:27:59,803
The Press:
May or may not be simple
to answer -- let me try

521
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,500
it this way.

522
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,770
The timing of the President's
decision on troops,

523
00:28:03,767 --> 00:28:08,037
does the disappearance of the
runoff hasten it, slow it down,

524
00:28:08,033 --> 00:28:09,633
or have no effect?

525
00:28:09,633 --> 00:28:13,463
Mr. Gibbs:
You gave me multiple
choice, didn't you?

526
00:28:13,467 --> 00:28:14,667
The Press:
And there's also,
D, all of the above.

527
00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:15,997
Mr. Gibbs:
I may take all of the above,

528
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,900
just further muddle the -- look,
obviously we have a sense of now

529
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:26,500
who will be the leader and who
will comprise the government of

530
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,600
Afghanistan going forward.

531
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,630
Obviously that's helpful in the
discussions that have to be had

532
00:28:32,633 --> 00:28:35,203
and in the strategy
that will be set.

533
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,230
But I don't think, as I said in
a couple of these responses,

534
00:28:39,233 --> 00:28:46,703
I don't think that was the
single question left for a

535
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:48,030
decision to be made.

536
00:28:48,033 --> 00:28:50,333
That's sort of a roundabout way
of saying I still think we're

537
00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:51,963
looking at the next few weeks.

538
00:28:51,967 --> 00:28:53,737
The Press:
But it sounds like it
has at least taken one

539
00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:54,634
of the elements --

540
00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:57,033
Mr. Gibbs:
There's no question that
it illuminates part of the

541
00:28:57,033 --> 00:28:58,963
equation moving forward.

542
00:28:58,967 --> 00:29:03,197
And I don't honestly
know that it hastens it.

543
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,700
I think it hastens the work of
the discussions that have been

544
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:12,970
had before this
runoff was scheduled,

545
00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:15,497
again with Ambassador
Eikenberry and others,

546
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:20,670
in order to move forward on
those very important governance issues.

547
00:29:20,667 --> 00:29:23,897
The Press:
On politics, now that the
President has had a chance

548
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:27,500
to campaign a couple of times
in both Virginia and New Jersey,

549
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,130
and it's a year since
his own election,

550
00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:32,263
what does he think the
mood of the voters is?

551
00:29:32,266 --> 00:29:35,696
What did he find the mood of the
voters to be when he was out there?

552
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:36,970
Mr. Gibbs:
Fired up and ready to go.

553
00:29:36,967 --> 00:29:41,397
At least that's what
they told him, right?

554
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,830
Well, look, I think -- again,
we'll have plenty of time to

555
00:29:45,834 --> 00:29:49,634
hash this out, the election
results, on Wednesday.

556
00:29:49,633 --> 00:29:51,703
Oh, I'm getting -- don't
worry, it's just a big windup.

557
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,670
(laughter)

558
00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:55,737
The Press:
Is he going to talk about it --

559
00:29:55,734 --> 00:29:56,534
Mr. Gibbs:
Say again?

560
00:29:56,533 --> 00:29:57,503
The Press:
Is he going to talk about it --

561
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:58,330
Mr. Gibbs:
He may address it.

562
00:29:58,333 --> 00:29:59,333
I honestly don't know.

563
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:01,033
That's a bit ahead
of my guidance.

564
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:05,963
But, look, I think the President
mentioned yesterday in his stops

565
00:30:05,967 --> 00:30:11,197
in New Jersey that obviously
there were a series of very

566
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,570
difficult challenges that he
confronted upon coming into office.

567
00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:19,997
We've spent a decent amount of
time here talking about one

568
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,300
today in Afghanistan.

569
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:26,430
We've alluded to an even
bigger one on the economy.

570
00:30:26,433 --> 00:30:36,033
So, look, I don't doubt that he
has found that -- in talking to

571
00:30:36,033 --> 00:30:41,433
voters, that we are making
progress on getting this economy

572
00:30:41,433 --> 00:30:42,533
turned around again.

573
00:30:42,533 --> 00:30:45,503
But obviously there are still
tens of millions of people that

574
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:47,800
want to work and
can't find a job.

575
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,700
That's what the President
is focused on continually.

576
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:57,970
And, look, I would also point to
what you heard advisors say over

577
00:30:57,967 --> 00:31:01,237
the weekend, that obviously
fascinating developments of

578
00:31:01,233 --> 00:31:06,403
what's going on in New York,
where the Republican Party

579
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:14,830
picked a nominee and then a
district known for generally

580
00:31:14,834 --> 00:31:20,004
sending moderate Republicans
dating back to the 1800s to

581
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:27,630
Congress kicked out the moderate
and is now foursquare behind --

582
00:31:27,633 --> 00:31:30,863
or at least part of -- part of
the party seems to be foursquare

583
00:31:30,867 --> 00:31:33,437
behind somebody much
more conservative.

584
00:31:33,433 --> 00:31:35,163
The Press:
Does the President
think that's a trend?

585
00:31:35,166 --> 00:31:37,166
Mr. Gibbs:
It appears to be.

586
00:31:37,166 --> 00:31:41,266
And I think if you look at what
I think is likely to happen next

587
00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:47,496
year, you already have
Republicans -- some Republicans

588
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:51,330
who are more aligned with the
very conservative element of

589
00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:55,403
what's happening in New York
saying this is a model for what

590
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,370
you'll see throughout
the country.

591
00:31:59,367 --> 00:32:03,267
The Press:
Robert, you said that no amount
of troops in the world could --

592
00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:05,736
Mr. Gibbs:
I think I was paraphrasing
Senator Graham saying --

593
00:32:05,734 --> 00:32:08,964
The Press:
But the idea that without
successful government --

594
00:32:08,967 --> 00:32:10,967
governance and the reforms
that you want there,

595
00:32:10,967 --> 00:32:14,167
that no military effort
can be successful.

596
00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,296
What has changed since the
election in March to make you

597
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,170
think that those
changes are more --

598
00:32:20,166 --> 00:32:21,196
Mr. Gibbs:
The election in March?

599
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,530
The Press:
I mean the Afghan election,

600
00:32:22,533 --> 00:32:23,633
whenever the -- when was
the first Afghan election?

601
00:32:23,633 --> 00:32:25,263
I meant August.

602
00:32:25,266 --> 00:32:29,136
What has changed since then to
make you think that the kind of

603
00:32:29,133 --> 00:32:31,903
governance changes you're
looking for are more likely to happen?

604
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:36,900
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Mara, I think
that process is ongoing.

605
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,900
I would say I think one of the
things that clearly worked in

606
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:46,100
the August election and in
the rulings that led to the

607
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:51,670
definition of needing a second
round was the institutions and

608
00:32:51,667 --> 00:32:53,067
law of Afghanistan.

609
00:32:53,066 --> 00:32:55,496
Understanding, as I said at
the very beginning to Ben's

610
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,600
question, we knew this was going
to be a difficult process,

611
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,470
an election run
fully by the Afghans.

612
00:33:02,467 --> 00:33:08,197
But this was a process through
the laws and institutions of the

613
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,030
country which determined that
allegations of fraud were true

614
00:33:12,033 --> 00:33:13,733
and threw those ballots out.

615
00:33:13,734 --> 00:33:17,664
Obviously that's the beginning
of a process whereby the rule of

616
00:33:17,667 --> 00:33:19,197
law carries the day.

617
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:25,370
That's I think the beginning of
what one needs to see moving forward.

618
00:33:25,367 --> 00:33:27,797
The Press:
Karzai's decision to
accept a runoff even if one

619
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,570
didn't happen is a sign to you
that he would be more willing to

620
00:33:31,567 --> 00:33:33,067
make the changes
you're looking for?

621
00:33:33,066 --> 00:33:36,236
Mr. Gibbs:
I would say the circumstances
that led to the discussion that

622
00:33:36,233 --> 00:33:40,363
a second runoff was necessary
is the first part of it.

623
00:33:40,367 --> 00:33:43,967
Obviously it was not a given
that he would participate

624
00:33:43,967 --> 00:33:45,267
in a second round.

625
00:33:45,266 --> 00:33:48,736
Through a lot of hard
work that happened,

626
00:33:48,734 --> 00:33:52,264
and we were at that point
until a little earlier.

627
00:33:52,266 --> 00:33:54,136
The Press:
I just have one question
about timing on this decision.

628
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:58,233
Next week the President is
leaving for a lengthy trip to Asia.

629
00:33:58,233 --> 00:34:00,063
If the Joint Chiefs
come back next week,

630
00:34:00,066 --> 00:34:01,566
you're talking about maybe
having that meeting,

631
00:34:01,567 --> 00:34:02,697
how does this all work?

632
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,370
I mean it sounds like a decision
realistically couldn't be made

633
00:34:05,367 --> 00:34:06,997
and announced until after
he comes back from Asia.

634
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,100
Is that --

635
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:13,370
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't have any guidance
on that except to reiterate

636
00:34:13,367 --> 00:34:15,937
that it will happen
in the coming weeks.

637
00:34:15,934 --> 00:34:18,004
The Press:
The President's budget
director is going to New

638
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,830
York tomorrow to talk
about the deficit.

639
00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:24,704
I just wanted to get a sense
from you guys how much does the

640
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:28,000
White House consider the deficit
to be an ongoing concern,

641
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,770
maybe even a growing concern
among Americans going into next

642
00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:35,967
year, even after health
care is potentially passed?

643
00:34:35,967 --> 00:34:39,367
How much of the issue do you
guys feel like is the fault of

644
00:34:39,367 --> 00:34:40,467
the Bush administration?

645
00:34:40,467 --> 00:34:43,997
And do you still remain
committed to cutting the deficit

646
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,330
in half by the end
of the first term?

647
00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:49,333
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me take these
somewhat in reverse order.

648
00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:53,533
In the first -- in the instance
of your third part, yes.

649
00:34:53,533 --> 00:34:55,003
The Press:
Remain committed --

650
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,730
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes. In terms of health care,
obviously the President has been

651
00:34:59,734 --> 00:35:07,664
insistent on health care reform
being budget-neutral and cutting

652
00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:12,267
health care costs in the
out-years of which the plans

653
00:35:12,266 --> 00:35:14,236
that have been scored do that.

654
00:35:14,233 --> 00:35:20,133
So I would mention that partly
-- I think the budget deficit,

655
00:35:20,133 --> 00:35:23,533
if you talk to anybody that's
followed the issue for the past

656
00:35:23,533 --> 00:35:28,803
five or six years, this isn't an
issue that started this year.

657
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:35,830
This has been an issue that's
been ongoing in terms of our

658
00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:40,464
ability to continue to spend
more and more than we take in

659
00:35:40,467 --> 00:35:42,997
each month or each year.

660
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:49,470
Obviously this is a problem that
the President discussed in the

661
00:35:49,467 --> 00:35:52,837
election and one that
obviously has to be addressed.

662
00:35:52,834 --> 00:35:58,134
We can't continue to
do what we've done.

663
00:35:58,133 --> 00:36:03,163
I think if you look at -- the
President signed last week a

664
00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:08,896
defense bill that zeroed out
a number of weapons systems,

665
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:13,830
which hasn't always been the
case in this town -- weapons

666
00:36:13,834 --> 00:36:17,104
systems the Pentagon
said they didn't need.

667
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:23,430
Usually that doesn't mean much
and the prerogatives of the

668
00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:26,233
individual weapons
systems carry the day.

669
00:36:26,233 --> 00:36:31,603
A lot of people told us we were
crazy to even go down that path,

670
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,200
but I don't think you're going
to make significant progress on

671
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,870
the deficit if you don't at
least start with the fact that

672
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:39,667
the President -- or the Pentagon
has said they don't want a

673
00:36:39,667 --> 00:36:42,397
weapons system, yet you
continue to fund it.

674
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,300
The Press:
Can you refresh our memory
also on the President's

675
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,630
position on like a bipartisan
BRAC-type commission on --

676
00:36:48,633 --> 00:36:51,263
Mr. Gibbs:
You know, I saw the comments.

677
00:36:51,266 --> 00:36:54,636
I would point you to the
comments that Peter made in the

678
00:36:54,633 --> 00:36:59,733
Sunday paper, where I think
he said something like that

679
00:36:59,734 --> 00:37:01,504
would be looked at.

680
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:02,270
The Press:
Robert.

681
00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:03,696
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, sir.

682
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:05,430
The Press:
One important one-year
anniversary coming up

683
00:37:05,433 --> 00:37:07,233
on Wednesday.

684
00:37:07,233 --> 00:37:09,703
What do you think the President
has changed in the way

685
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:11,570
Washington works since --

686
00:37:11,567 --> 00:37:13,497
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I've noticed
all of you all,

687
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,070
despite not doing many stories
in the beginning of September

688
00:37:17,066 --> 00:37:20,166
about a change in a 200-year
policy of letting you know who

689
00:37:20,166 --> 00:37:22,536
comes into this White House, I
did notice you guys were all

690
00:37:22,533 --> 00:37:24,103
very busy on Friday night.

691
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:25,070
The Press:
That's an answer?

692
00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:27,366
(laughter)

693
00:37:27,367 --> 00:37:29,367
The Press:
What does the President
feel needs to be done

694
00:37:29,367 --> 00:37:30,967
in this regard?

695
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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry, needs to be?

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,230
The Press:
Needs to be done in this regard.

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00:37:33,233 --> 00:37:36,503
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think the
President would continue to

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tell you -- I think we've
certainly seen in health care

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00:37:41,633 --> 00:37:47,263
that change isn't easy,
especially when special

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00:37:47,266 --> 00:37:51,896
interests get involved,
particularly in the way they've

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done in the last few weeks
with the insurance industry.

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I think that's a pretty telltale
sign that change is not a given.

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It's got to be worked at
and it's going to be hard,

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and that's what the President is
working on each and every day.

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The Press:
Are you anticipating election activity tomorrow in terms of

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00:38:11,066 --> 00:38:13,166
phone calls, attempts
to get out the vote,

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00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:14,336
and things of that nature?

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00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:15,333
Mr. Gibbs:
None that I know of now,

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00:38:15,333 --> 00:38:18,763
but I can certainly
-- I can check on --

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00:38:18,767 --> 00:38:22,497
The Press:
Can you provide all the
phone calls that he recorded

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00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,430
for get out the vote?

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00:38:24,433 --> 00:38:25,263
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me see what I can --

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00:38:25,266 --> 00:38:26,096
The Press:
And where?

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00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:26,900
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
Robert, in light of the
changes in Afghanistan,

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00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,630
if a clear majority of the
American public tell the White

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00:38:32,633 --> 00:38:35,303
House, tell the President they
don't want to send more troops

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00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,570
to Afghanistan, does the
President have an obligation to

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00:38:37,567 --> 00:38:41,237
listen to the American public
or to follow his own dictates?

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00:38:41,233 --> 00:38:43,303
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, the President
has an obligation as

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Commander-in-Chief to make the
very best decision in order to

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protect our national interest
and to protect American citizens

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here as well as the troops
we have on the ground.

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The President would expect that
whatever decision he made,

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00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:04,937
as I've talked about last week,
he would walk the American

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00:39:04,934 --> 00:39:08,434
people through the reasoning
of why that decision was made,

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00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:11,633
and the interest that he saw
that had to be protected in

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00:39:11,633 --> 00:39:15,203
whatever the outcome
of that decision was.

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And I expect that that will take
place once a decision is made

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and ultimately announced.

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00:39:20,233 --> 00:39:22,733
The Press:
-- the situation in the
Vietnam War -- you were too

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00:39:22,734 --> 00:39:25,104
young to remember that --
where a clear majority,

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00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:27,700
voting majority of the American
people were -- rebelled against

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00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,830
the Vietnam War, and it brought
down the Johnson administration.

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00:39:31,834 --> 00:39:34,504
Is this President
prepared to go that route?

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00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:39,100
Mr. Gibbs:
I hesitate to make
those type of analogies.

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I think the President, again,
will make the decision that he

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believes is best in
our national interests,

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00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:49,970
and I think that's the
process that's ongoing.

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April.

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00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:52,797
The Press:
Robert, on the issue
of jobs and the economy,

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00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,130
this administration continues to
push the green jobs initiative,

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00:39:56,133 --> 00:39:58,863
an initiative they are
particularly hoping that the

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00:39:58,867 --> 00:40:02,897
black and brown communities of
this country would take part of

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00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,800
because it's a cyclical thing,
from what I'm understanding.

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At the same time, we're hearing
from the Hill that blacks and

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00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:13,033
browns are not engaging in
the green jobs initiative,

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00:40:13,033 --> 00:40:15,933
as this administration
thought or hoped.

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00:40:15,934 --> 00:40:20,304
How is this administration
planning to go out to make more

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00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:23,670
of an outreach into a black
and brown community for this initiative?

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00:40:23,667 --> 00:40:25,167
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not dodging this, April,

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00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:29,266
but I just -- I don't know what
you mean in terms of what you're

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00:40:29,266 --> 00:40:30,696
hearing from the Hill. I just --

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00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,230
The Press:
Okay, for instance, the
head of the Government

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00:40:33,233 --> 00:40:34,863
Oversight and Reform
Committee, Ed Towns,

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00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:39,137
has said that black and browns
are not engaging in this green

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00:40:39,133 --> 00:40:40,103
initiative jobs --

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00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,270
Mr. Gibbs:
I'd be happy to
look at what he said,

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00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:43,966
and try to come up with
something, but I haven't --

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00:40:43,967 --> 00:40:46,467
The Press:
Is it important that this
community does engage --

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00:40:46,467 --> 00:40:49,397
Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I think it's important
that this community and every

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community take part in
this important idea because

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creating jobs in a clean
energy economy and creating a

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marketplace that incentivizes
that job growth is important not

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00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:08,470
simply for the extremely
important idea of getting

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millions of people that want to
work back to work in industries

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00:41:12,333 --> 00:41:17,503
that are headquartered here,
manufacturing products like wind

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00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:20,330
turbines or solar panels.

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But this also impacts the steps
that we're taking to wean

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ourselves off our
dependence on foreign oil,

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00:41:29,867 --> 00:41:35,197
which means progress as it
relates to greenhouse gases

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00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,230
and climate change.

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00:41:36,233 --> 00:41:39,163
But it also impacts
our national security.

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All of that is what makes
green jobs so important.

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00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,430
The Press:
-- more of a demand, I mean,
because people are saying the

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00:41:44,433 --> 00:41:46,663
demand is not
there right now for --

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00:41:46,667 --> 00:41:49,237
Mr. Gibbs:
I think -- look, I think
last week's trip was a

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very good example.

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00:41:51,333 --> 00:41:58,333
You had Florida Power & Light,
the largest -- the power company

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00:41:58,333 --> 00:42:01,663
-- the largest power company in
the state of Florida -- one of

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00:42:01,667 --> 00:42:05,367
the biggest states in the
country -- investing heavily as

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00:42:05,367 --> 00:42:11,597
a result of the Recovery Act in
a solar plant and clean energy

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00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,270
projects that they know will
produce jobs for the future,

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but also produce clean energy.

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00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:21,237
And certainly as we get into a
longer legislative debate on

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climate change, just in my
conversations with the CEO,

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he talked about the notion of if
you actually price greenhouse

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00:42:33,633 --> 00:42:39,333
gas emissions into the
production of power,

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you have a powerful incentive to
find clean energy alternatives.

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00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:44,104
David.

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The Press:
You've said a few times that
the laws and institutions

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00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:50,666
in Afghanistan prevailed.

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00:42:50,667 --> 00:42:53,667
But Abdullah Abdullah said that
he pulled out in part -- maybe

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00:42:53,667 --> 00:42:55,697
he had personal reasons --
because he expected there

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to be massive fraud.

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00:42:57,633 --> 00:43:01,433
So there seems to be a little
bit of a disconnect between

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00:43:01,433 --> 00:43:04,503
saying in essence the system
worked and Abdullah Abdullah

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00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:07,070
saying the system can't work.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, David, I can't render a
judgment on what he predicted

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might happen in an election
that will now not take place.

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00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,330
I mean, that seems -- trust
me, I don't have that kind of

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00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:20,733
clarity and crystal ball.

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00:43:20,734 --> 00:43:23,364
The Press:
There are elections coming up,
supposed to come up next year

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00:43:23,367 --> 00:43:26,567
in 2010, for district councils
and the parliament, I believe.

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00:43:26,567 --> 00:43:30,197
I mean, do you have more
confidence now that those

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00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,630
elections can be free and fair
and that the public will see the

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00:43:34,633 --> 00:43:37,163
government as credible?

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00:43:37,166 --> 00:43:39,736
Mr. Gibbs:
I do and I think others
do because, David,

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00:43:39,734 --> 00:43:45,264
for the exact reason why a
second round was called to begin with.

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00:43:45,266 --> 00:43:47,966
There was alleged fraud.

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00:43:47,967 --> 00:43:54,237
The fraud was investigated over
a many-week period of time.

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00:43:54,233 --> 00:43:58,233
Two commissions determined that
a series of votes -- a big chunk

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00:43:58,233 --> 00:43:59,633
of votes were fraudulent.

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00:43:59,633 --> 00:44:02,103
They were thrown out, which
required the sitting President

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to have to go through
a second round.

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00:44:05,367 --> 00:44:08,137
I think that demonstrates that
the laws and institutions of

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00:44:08,133 --> 00:44:09,503
Afghanistan worked.

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00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:11,770
The Press:
Well, you know, finding
fraud is different than

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00:44:11,767 --> 00:44:13,467
getting rid of fraud.

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00:44:13,467 --> 00:44:17,067
And so if Abdullah Abdullah and
his criticisms are being taken

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00:44:17,066 --> 00:44:21,136
seriously -- he's saying, yes,
fraud was found and dealt with,

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00:44:21,133 --> 00:44:24,303
or at least recognized, but we
haven't taken it out of the system.

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00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,830
You can't have it -- this
doesn't prove that we can have

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00:44:26,834 --> 00:44:28,234
an election without fraud.

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00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:32,463
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, again, I said
this process we knew all

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along was not going
to be an easy one.

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It would be a difficult one.

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00:44:36,734 --> 00:44:40,004
But again, David, it's sort of
-- it's hard to evaluate what

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00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,500
might have happened in an
election that didn't take place.

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00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:50,970
Obviously some steps were taken
to ensure that the next round

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was done in a way that produced
a legitimate government.

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00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,530
We believe it would have.

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00:44:57,533 --> 00:45:03,133
Dr. Abdullah decided
not to participate;

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therefore the only candidate in
the race was President Karzai.

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He was ruled the winner today.

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Thanks, guys.