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Mr. Gibbs:
Good afternoon.

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Let me get slightly
more organized here.

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(inaudible voice)

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(laughter)

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Was that happening just in my head or did you all --

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(laughter)

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Did you all hear that, too?

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The Press:
We didn't hear anything.

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(laughter)

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Mr. Gibbs:
Wow, that's -- that was interesting, if inexplicable.

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(laughter)

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All right, well, with
that voiceover, let's --

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I apologize for not having an equally grand introduction by

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which to call on
the first reporter.

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The Press:
I'm really -- I'm not
sure I can top that.

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Okay.

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So, payments to President
Karzai's brother by the CIA --

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what can you tell
us about how that --

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or if that has caused any
consternation here at the White House?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I would refer questions
about that story to the CIA.

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The Press:
So it's not true?

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Mr. Gibbs:
The best person to ask that
to is somebody at the CIA.

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The Press:
And what's the reaction here
to the attack in Kabul today?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think whether
it's the events in Kabul or in

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Pakistan, obviously the
President sends his condolences

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to those innocent victims
of violent extremists.

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In Kabul, obviously there's an
attempt by some to disrupt the

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will of the Afghan people in
choosing their next government

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that this administration
believes will not succeed.

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And I think the events in
Pakistan demonstrate the lengths

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that extremists
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and the type of threat that they
pose not just for this country

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but for the government
of Pakistan as well.

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The Press:
Is there a rethinking here about either how much or what kind of

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security is needed over the
next couple weeks there?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, obviously that has been discussed in this runoff process

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and the administration is
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appropriate resources to conduct
an election and that the will of

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the Afghan people
won't be thwarted.

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Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
On health care, what is President Obama doing to help

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Harry Reid get to 60 votes?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, the President is obviously working to see progress continue

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to be made on health care.

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The Press:
How?

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Mr. Gibbs:
How?

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The President and
his team are --

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spend time on Capitol Hill and
dealing with Capitol Hill each

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day in order to move
this process forward.

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The Press:
Robert, I want to go
back to Afghanistan.

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The President has
said repeatedly --

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he did again in Florida
the other day --

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that it's more important to get
the strategy right than to get

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it done fast.

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But given the fact that there's
been new violence pretty much

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every day this week
in Afghanistan,

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October has become the
deadliest month in the war,

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doesn't Senator McCain have
a point when he says this has

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become kind of a long,
protracted decision-making

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process and maybe
it's time to act?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I don't think -- I certainly wouldn't agree with Senator

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McCain on that, and I don't think the American people agree

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with Senator McCain on that.

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I think it's important
to hear and get --

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to get this right.

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That's the process by which the
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his national security, and
that's what's important.

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The Press:
Back in March, part of the rationale with sending more U.S.

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troops to Afghanistan was to
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advance of the election.

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There's a runoff coming up.

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By that same rationale, why not send more U.S. troops in the

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short term in order to secure the country if there's a runoff

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coming and there's
all this violence --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, because -- because,
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the troops that were authorized to go by the President to create

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a security environment that allows us to have an election --

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we saw the same type of cowardly
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I don't doubt that there are
going to be members of the

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Taliban or violent extremists
that seek to disrupt, as I said,

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the will of the Afghan people.

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That's not going
to be successful.

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The Afghan people are going to
decide who their next government

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will be run by, and
we're confident of that.

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The Press:
On another subject, The Washington Times is reporting

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today that the President has
awarded big donors to the

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Democratic National Committee
with various access to senior

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officials here at
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One donor got a birthday
visit to the Oval Office.

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Obviously I know other White
Houses, Democrats, Republicans,

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have done things like this.

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But the President last year
promised to clean this up.

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What went wrong?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Ed, I think understanding what this President has done is

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institute the very toughest
ethics and transparency rules of

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any administration in history.

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We're the first administration
in history that will soon

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provide a list of each and every
person that visits the White

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House, something that's
never been done before.

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The Democratic National
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contributions from registered
federal lobbyists or political

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action committees and hasn't
done so since President Obama

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became the party's
nominee last year.

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I think as the statement that
we issued said, a contributor --

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contributing doesn't guarantee
a visit to the White House,

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nor does it preclude it.

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The Press:
It appears that people are getting special access because

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of these donations.

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If you've taken --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Hundreds of --

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The Press:
-- those other positive
steps, why not shut off access?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Hundreds of thousands of people have visited this White House

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since the President came in,
and I think the President has

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returned to a stance of
transparency and ethics that

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hasn't been matched by
any other White House.

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The Press:
The RNC is calling for the White House to release the names of

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donors who have gotten special
access to White House advisors

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and perks like
the bowling alley.

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Will you release those names?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Every name of every person that comes to this White House will

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be released.

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The Press:
In the past, too?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think there soon will be
some look-back list that will

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be released.

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But again, Chip, this --
this is something, again,

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that for the first time in any administration at any point in

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our history, we've undertaken releasing publicly those names.

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I would remind --
let me just also --

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the Republican
National Committee --

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there's two political parties,
two major political parties in

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this country.

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One party doesn't accept
contributions from registered

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federal lobbyists.

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That same party doesn't accept
contributions from political

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action committees.

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It's not the committee with
which you just asked me the

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question on.

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The Press:
Are you saying the White House will release the names of any

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donors who come in, and
then, say did they meet with

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particular White
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in exchange for
those contributions?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Through an agreement that
we announced in August,

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the names of people that come
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released, and any
contributor's name --

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The Press:
But will we know
what they did --

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Mr. Gibbs:
-- is released as per
the forms on the FEC.

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The Press:
Will it simply be
a name on a list,

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or will we know that they came
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House official in exchange
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Mr. Gibbs:
Chip, as we did this
briefing in August,

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I'll remind you that the WAVES
records will denote who that

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person is, when they came,
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and who they met with -- again, a standard not met by any other

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previous White House.

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The Press:
We will know if they used the White House bowling alley,

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for example?

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Mr. Gibbs:
There are only a couple of people that I know that have

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used the residence
bowling alley.

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The Press:
-- bowling alley also.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I can report to you that Ethan Gibbs, with the bumpers down,

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bowled a couple of games while
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The Press:
Was there a quid pro quo here?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, of course not.

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The Press:
Well, the DNC documents actually say those who raise $300,000

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before the 2010 midterm elections get quarterly meetings

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with senior members of
the Obama administration.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'll point you to
the DNC on that.

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The Press:
But they're with
White House officials.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I'll point
you to the DNC.

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The Press:
How can you point us to them when it's White House officials

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who the meetings are with?

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Can I have one other?

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Do you know if any of these
donors have had a night in the

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Lincoln Bedroom -- reminding
of an earlier controversy?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Not that I'm aware of.

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The Press:
In view of the escalation of deaths in Afghanistan is the

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President considering
withdrawing and saving lives for a change?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Helen, the President began the meetings on the assessment

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with saying we were not
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We understand that we have
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stability in the region.

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The Press:
We also have a role
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Mr. Gibbs:
Which is why the President is taking his time to get this

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policy right.

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The Press:
Just to follow up on
Chip's question, when --

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the first round of these
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is when we're
supposed to get them?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't -- it's sometime
in late December, yes.

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The Press:
That will be for everybody
going back three months?

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Is that how it's going to work,
every three months we will get

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the previous three months?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's what I understand, yes.

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The Press:
On Afghanistan, I know you don't want to comment about Karzai's

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brother, but stories like
this obviously don't just get

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consumed here in
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Is it a concern of the White
House that a story like this can --

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Mr. Gibbs:
You had it correct that I'm
not going to get into this.

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The Press:
But are you worried
about stories like this,

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having them -- influencing the environment in Afghanistan?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I will say very
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again, if you have
questions about that story,

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there are places to go to.

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The Press:
Idle speculation like
this, is it helpful?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't necessarily do
idle speculation, Chuck.

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(laughter)

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But I would say this
administration is, as you know,

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conducting a comprehensive
assessment as to where we are,

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and every participant in any
meeting that's happened here as

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part of that assessment
understands that we have to have

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and -- we must have a partner that addresses governance issues

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as we move forward.

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That goes from anybody
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anybody that's a civilian or
anybody also that's in the military.

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The Press:
Has Karzai's
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The Press:
That sounds like a
little bit of a slap-down.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry?

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The Press:
That sounds like a
little bit of a slap-down.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, it's something I've
said repeatedly in the past.

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The Press:
But how is that related to something like that story?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I said to Chuck,
it wasn't related;

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if you have questions about that
story, there are places to go.

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The Press:
Has Karzai's brother's
business dealings come up in the

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Afghanistan review?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I said I'm not going
to get into this.

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The Press:
And wait, one other thing.

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On our poll, on these -- showed that there were dramatic drops

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in the public perception of whether the President is

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changing business as
usual, achieving his goals,

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uniting the country.

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Why do you think the public
doesn't seem him as doing very

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well on those markers?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think
the public understands,

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as it relates to many of
the questions in your poll,

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that we have work to do.

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We have not -- you guys take polls on fairly periodic basis.

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We continue to work on making
sure that what the President

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asked have happen
in this campaign,

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that the American supported,
that we worked to accomplish.

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Not all of that was done by the
time your poll was conducted,

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and we continue to work, though,
to focus on the issues that are

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clearly important to
the American people.

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The Press:
Why in April were they so
-- were they high, all over

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50%, and now --

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Mr. Gibbs:
You're the one who
called them, I didn't.

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The Press:
But, I mean, do you
guys -- do you have --

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do you guys worry that
those numbers have dropped,

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that there is a sense --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, the President doesn't --

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The Press:
-- that the public is
a little concerned --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Chuck, the President
doesn't spend a lot of time

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reading your poll.

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The President doesn't spend
a lot of time focused on only

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what's politically popular.

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The President didn't take an
approval rating in January and

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put it up on the shelf for
all of us to shine and admire.

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The Press:
Uniting the country -- this was something he just talked about

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with Senator Brooke and --

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Mr. Gibbs:
And the President
will -- Chuck --

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The Press:
-- it's something that looks like the public is saying,

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this ain't happening.

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Mr. Gibbs:
It isn't happening.

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But I --

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The Press:
Does the President accept
any responsibility for this?

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Mr. Gibbs:
The President accepts a responsibility of reaching out

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every day to make
sure it happens.

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He's done that.

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But as you -- as I've said -- if I've said it once I've said it

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two dozen times -- there are many roads that lead from this

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building to Capitol Hill;
very few of them are one-way.

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I think you've had -- look, again, I would reiterate the story.

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When we went to talk to the
Republican Caucus about the

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recovery plan, before the
motorcade left the White House,

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they put out a
statement opposing it.

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John Boehner I think came out
several months ago saying he

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opposed health care reform,
despite the fact that your same

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polls shows that if we
leave the system as is,

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that will be a disappointment
for the American people because

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they'll continue to pay for
the high cost of health care;

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they'll continue to be
discriminated against by

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insurance companies; millions
more small businesses will not

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be able to offer the type of
benefits that they know they

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need to offer to attract the type of workers they need to

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create jobs.

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The Press:
Can you tell us, between now and Tuesday what more activities,

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if any, the President and the
Vice President are going to be

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having for Democratic
candidates up for elections?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know -- I don't have
the Vice President's schedule.

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I know the President, as
was previously announced,

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will be in New Jersey on
Sunday for a couple of stops.

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The Press:
That's Sunday?

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And is that for a rally,
or fundraiser, or both?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I believe it's -- there's two stops and I believe one of them

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is a rally.

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The Press:
And what do you think this election means to the Democratic

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Party and to President Obama?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, Jonathan, we'll have a chance to dissect different

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results at different points.

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I'll reiterate what I said
yesterday on the plane as we

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were in Virginia: I think that
the pollsters at The Washington

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Post poll identified the fact
that roughly 70% of the states

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said their vote had nothing to
do with the President of the

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United States; that the
remaining 30 was roughly divided

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evenly among those who wanted
to use the vote to say something

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about the President, which led
the pollsters to deduce that it

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had very little to do
with the Obama presidency.

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I would say the same thing -- I think the same polls showed that

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among likely voters
for next Tuesday,

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voters in Virginia
approved of his job at 57%,

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which is higher than the number
we got in Virginia on Election Day.

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So we'll have time
to go through this --

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give us something
to do next week.

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The Press:
What foreign fingerprints do you see on what's been happening in

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Afghanistan the past few days?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not going to get into discussing that level of detail.

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The Press:
Well, it's been
documented, for instance,

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that Iran has funded and
supplied weapons to Taliban.

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Do you think that they're
helping them to coordinate the

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timing of the attacks?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not going to get into --

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The Press:
Where do you think it
is being masterminded?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm still not going
to get into that here.

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The Press:
How come?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm just not going to discuss intelligence matters from

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the podium.

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The Press:
Quick cleanup.

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On the disclosure things, the
statement that just came out

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said they were
coming out monthly.

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I think you said quarterly.

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Or did I get that wrong?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I thought it was quarterly.

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I will double-check.

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The Press:
On the Joint Chiefs
meeting on Friday,

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can you talk a little bit about
that meeting and the general

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agenda, or any specifics?

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And also, is that going to be
the last meeting before we get a decision?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know honestly if that's going to be the last meeting.

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This was a meeting requested by
the President to see the Joint

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Chiefs and to have a chance
to talk to them and to other

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service branches about
the ongoing assessment in

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Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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And I don't have an
agenda beyond that.

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The Press:
Will he be meeting with
anybody on this topic tomorrow?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I can double-check
with the schedule,

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but I don't have that
-- not that I know of.

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Major.

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The Press:
Robert, how, if at all, do the casualty figures from this month

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weigh on the President as he
debates internally the strategy

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and the method to go forward?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Major, I think you've heard the President say on a number of

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occasions that the
hardest thing --

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the hardest task that he has
on any given day is signing the

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condolence letter to a loved one
who's lost a son or a daughter

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or a husband, a wife,
in Iraq or Afghanistan,

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or serving our country overseas.

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The President, as I said,
and the First Lady send their

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thoughts and prayers to those
that have gone before us and

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sacrificed and paid the ultimate
sacrifice so that we might enjoy freedom.

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The Press:
Does the President have anything to say to those who might think

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that a spike in violence might
deter him from a less aggressive

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posture in Afghanistan?

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Does he want to formulate
-- or through you --

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articulate his approach to the
policy there even in the face of

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heightened U.S. casualties?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Major, I think the President will take into account,

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as he has heard in meetings in
the Situation Room and in other

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meetings that he's had
in the Oval Office,

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take into account a broad
range of advice and experience.

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But I don't believe he
has any special criteria.

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He understands the amazing
sacrifice that our Armed Forces

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makes; he understands the burden
that our military has shouldered

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over the past many years,
responding to crises all over the world.

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The Press:
In the conversations
that have gone on so far,

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if you can in any way inform us,
is it thought that casualties

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are increasing because
counterinsurgency efforts are

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increasing and more things
are being stirred up,

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the enemy is being dealt
with more directly,

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or efforts are being made to wound and kill U.S. forces to

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make this war less
politically popular,

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perhaps withholding the
President's ability to prosecute

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it more fully?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I have not heard something relating to the latter.

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Obviously we have a force the
size extensively larger than was

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in there just a few months ago
and obviously we're in the midst

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of the fighting season in
Afghanistan and obviously coming

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to the end of that.

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But increased number of forces
makes an increased number of

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operations that sometimes results in the very sad news

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that we've heard this week.

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The Press:
From the podium could you address what we sort of left

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hanging a little bit last week,
which is the sum total of what

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the Bush-Cheney transition left
the administration regarding

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Afghanistan -- its
questions it asked,

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policy pronouncements or suggestions it made, and --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think in depth -- obviously the documents that

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resulted in the assessments that happened in the latter months

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of the Bush administration obviously are top-secret documents.

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There were a couple of different
assessments that were done.

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As you know, upon coming into
the White House the President

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authorized an assessment of his
own that led to the decision to

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add an additional 21,000
forces to create a secure --

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more secure environment leading
up to the initial election in

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August, and that the President
said that at a point in which a

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government was chosen, after
that election we'd have a chance

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to assess going
forward in Afghanistan.

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And that's where we
find ourselves now.

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The Press:
When Rahm was on a Sunday show he said there were a series of

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questions that were being asked
by this administration for the

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first time: What can the
Afghan government do or not do?

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Where are we on police training?

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Could this be something
the Europeans could do?

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Should we take up
the military side?

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Based on your understanding
of what you got from the

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Bush-Cheney, is it still
accurate to say none of those

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questions were raised or
dealt with in those transition documents?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think if you look at
what Rahm was saying,

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the question isn't whether or
not somebody was asking those

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questions; the question was
whether anybody was acting on

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any assessments relating
to those questions.

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That's what the President
evaluated between the time he

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was sworn in and March when he
authorized additional troops

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moving to Afghanistan.

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Mike.

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The Press:
The decision is still
several weeks away?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
Does the administration
share the optimism of private

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forecasters who say that when
GDP numbers come out tomorrow,

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the economy would have shown to
have grown for the first time in a year?

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Is that something that you
guys think will happen?

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Mr. Gibbs:
If not, call Tommy.

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No, we're -- as you mentioned, quarterly gross domestic product

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figures will be
released tomorrow.

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It's certainly our hope that
we'll demonstrate for the first

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time, as you mention, in more
than a year growth in our economy.

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I think, as we move
on through the week,

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we'll also be able to discuss
the reports that are coming into

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the independent board that
evaluates the recovery plan for

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direct jobs that
have been created.

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And I think we'll be able
to continue to evaluate the

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progress that the Recovery Act
has helped make in spurring

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economic growth, understanding
that we still have,

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in the President's mind,
much work to do to ensure an

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environment that is
helping to create jobs.

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The Press:
How do you explain the tepid feeling the public seems to have

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toward the Recovery Act
given what you just said?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think that the American people understand fundamentally

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that we didn't get here
overnight and that one single

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piece of legislation isn't going
to cure all of the problems that

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were created over a
long period of time.

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The Recovery Act was intended
to cushion the blow of the --

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and severity of the
economic downturn,

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to help save and create jobs,
one aspect of a larger recovery

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that includes financial reform
which is making its way through

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Congress to ensure that the
type of activities we saw don't

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happen again.

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I think the American people
understand that this is a

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process that didn't happen
overnight and is going to take

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some time to solve,
understanding that the President

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spends more time thinking about
the economy than on anything

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else that he works on each day.

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The Press:
Robert, since the administration has decided sort of in progress

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that you will release
these visitors logs,

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it shows a willingness to --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry --

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The Press:
You decided sort of throughout the course of these last few

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months that you will
release the visitors logs --

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Mr. Gibbs:
This particular decision I think was finalized in August, yes.

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The Press:
Right, which indicates that as the administration goes along

468
00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:45,167
you're willing to sort of create
new policies or change rules

469
00:25:45,166 --> 00:25:47,196
based on the optics of things.

470
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,230
Does the President believe that
anything should be changed going

471
00:25:50,233 --> 00:25:55,733
forward from here about the
Democratic contributors coming

472
00:25:55,734 --> 00:25:56,734
to the White House?

473
00:25:56,734 --> 00:25:59,604
Does he believe that anything
should change going forward --

474
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,100
Mr. Gibbs:
I haven't had a chance to
talk to him about that today.

475
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:07,130
But understand that what the
President campaigned on --

476
00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:13,433
toughening our ethics rules,
making more transparent our

477
00:26:13,433 --> 00:26:19,663
transparency policy -- was something that he was passionate

478
00:26:19,667 --> 00:26:23,197
about and is proud of the progress that we've made in

479
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,730
ensuring that.

480
00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:29,934
We had 4 million contributors
to a presidential campaign.

481
00:26:29,934 --> 00:26:36,234
90% of those contributions were
in the form of small donations.

482
00:26:36,233 --> 00:26:42,963
The President was clear with
all of us that as it related to

483
00:26:42,967 --> 00:26:46,797
those that came to the White
House, that those names could --

484
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,200
or that those names should
and would be public.

485
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,400
And the President will
continue to work on this.

486
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800
The Press:
Besides the aspects
of the transparency,

487
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,530
does the President believe that
allowing donors to visit the

488
00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:01,303
White House, if their
names are released or not,

489
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:03,770
is in the spirit of what he
was talking about during the campaign?

490
00:27:03,767 --> 00:27:10,197
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, as I said, giving a contribution to the DNC doesn't

491
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:16,600
guarantee you a visit here, nor
should it or would it prohibit that.

492
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,400
The Press:
But does it help, obviously?

493
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,500
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry?

494
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,570
The Press:
But it obviously helps get
the potential of a visit here.

495
00:27:23,567 --> 00:27:25,997
Mr. Gibbs:
Four hundred thousand people have visited this White House

496
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,670
since the President
was inaugurated.

497
00:27:29,667 --> 00:27:31,267
The Press:
Robert, back to health care.

498
00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,866
If the public option,
even with an opt-out,

499
00:27:33,867 --> 00:27:36,367
loses Olympia Snowe
and Joseph Lieberman,

500
00:27:36,367 --> 00:27:38,767
aren't you back to square one?

501
00:27:38,767 --> 00:27:46,737
Mr. Gibbs:
No, I think it's -- I think this is a debate that is and will go

502
00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:49,964
on for quite some time.

503
00:27:49,967 --> 00:27:58,097
I think we've got a decent ways
to go just in this round of it

504
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:03,770
and I think we'll
see progress --

505
00:28:03,767 --> 00:28:05,297
continue to see
progress being made.

506
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:11,730
So I hate to look two weeks down
the road based on what somebody

507
00:28:11,734 --> 00:28:13,604
may or may not say today.

508
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,400
The Press:
How is it changed if you still have Democrats insisting on a

509
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,970
public option, Republicans
refusing to have it,

510
00:28:18,967 --> 00:28:20,797
and still not enough votes
to pass it in the Senate?

511
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,900
Mr. Gibbs:
How has it changed?

512
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:25,200
We're in a process where the
House will soon introduce its

513
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,130
own bill, because we're
through the committee process;

514
00:28:28,133 --> 00:28:29,833
the same on the Senate side.

515
00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:32,704
And what's changed is we've
never gotten to this point

516
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:35,270
before in debating
health care reform.

517
00:28:35,266 --> 00:28:36,336
Yes, sir.

518
00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:37,703
The Press:
Thanks, Robert.

519
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,670
Yeah, two questions
on health care.

520
00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:43,337
One is, recently there have
been some Republicans and some

521
00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:46,433
commentators that have
raised the question about the

522
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:50,203
constitutionality of a federal
mandate to buy health insurance.

523
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,800
And I wanted to
ask you about that.

524
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,300
Mr. Gibbs:
I won't be confused as a constitutional scholar,

525
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:04,570
but I don't believe
there's a lot of --

526
00:29:04,567 --> 00:29:07,267
I don't believe there's a lot of
case law that would demonstrate

527
00:29:07,266 --> 00:29:11,566
the voracity of what
they're commentating on.

528
00:29:11,567 --> 00:29:15,997
The Press:
Second question -- and I'll just ask that you let me complete the

529
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,000
question first -- that is --

530
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,370
Mr. Gibbs:
Interesting concept,
but go ahead, yes.

531
00:29:22,367 --> 00:29:23,797
The Press:
Well, last time you didn't.

532
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,530
Mr. Gibbs:
No, the last three times.

533
00:29:25,533 --> 00:29:27,233
Actually, it was four.

534
00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,433
(laughter)

535
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:29,803
Go ahead, I'm sorry.

536
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,470
The Press:
Congressman Stupak has said that he has 40 Democrats to kill the

537
00:29:33,467 --> 00:29:38,797
health bill in the House if
his amendment to bar abortion

538
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,930
funding doesn't get a vote.

539
00:29:41,934 --> 00:29:45,064
And he said that he has
personally asked the White House

540
00:29:45,066 --> 00:29:50,166
to intervene and ask Speaker
Pelosi to call for a vote on

541
00:29:50,166 --> 00:29:51,736
this amendment.

542
00:29:51,734 --> 00:29:55,234
Will the President do that?

543
00:29:55,233 --> 00:29:57,833
Mr. Gibbs:
I will see if there's any
update from Legislative

544
00:29:57,834 --> 00:30:00,334
Affairs on that.

545
00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:03,903
I know that the President's
position on this has been clear,

546
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:09,500
that no federal money should be
used to pay for abortions in a

547
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:10,700
health care bill.

548
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,900
The Press:
But Congressman Stupak, in an interview he said that in a

549
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,630
conversation he had
with the President,

550
00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:19,733
that the President told him he
wasn't referring to the House

551
00:30:19,734 --> 00:30:25,804
bill, he was referring to his
own vision of a health care bill.

552
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Mr. Gibbs:
I can go back and see if I
can get any more clarity on

553
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,200
that conversation.

554
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,630
I do know they --
I mean, obviously,

555
00:30:30,633 --> 00:30:35,963
they did talk about this when Congressman Stupak was here.

556
00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:37,297
The Press:
Can you get back to me on it?

557
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,170
Mr. Gibbs:
I will get some guidance
from Legislative Affairs.

558
00:30:39,166 --> 00:30:40,166
The Press:
Thank you, Robert.

559
00:30:40,166 --> 00:30:41,666
The Press:
And have you been
asked about swine flu?

560
00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:44,497
Is the President satisfied that
the federal government has done

561
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:45,870
a good job --

562
00:30:45,867 --> 00:30:47,597
Mr. Gibbs:
Did you want an answer
to your previous question,

563
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,200
or do you just --
go ahead, I'm sorry.

564
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,200
(laughter)

565
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,470
I only did that
because they snickered,

566
00:30:51,467 --> 00:30:52,637
and I just thought
I'd play along.

567
00:30:52,633 --> 00:30:54,503
The Press:
Is the President satisfied
with the way the government has

568
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:59,600
informed the American people
about the availability of the

569
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,830
swine flu, that it's
gone smoothly enough?

570
00:31:02,834 --> 00:31:06,604
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think this was something that the President and

571
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,600
his team identified
many months ago,

572
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,100
when we saw the initial
outbreaks that were off of the

573
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:20,030
normal or traditional
peak flu season.

574
00:31:20,033 --> 00:31:23,663
The President took
action with his team.

575
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:29,767
Obviously, we have seen from
manufacturers a delay in the

576
00:31:29,767 --> 00:31:39,797
production of the vaccine that
we're working daily to help rectify.

577
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,800
I think it's important that
the public continue to take the

578
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,400
precautions the President
has long talked about,

579
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:55,070
and repeatedly check Web sites
like flu.gov to get updates on

580
00:31:55,066 --> 00:31:58,936
actions that they can take to
minimize the risk that they and

581
00:31:58,934 --> 00:32:05,064
their families face as we head
into a more peak flu season.

582
00:32:05,066 --> 00:32:07,736
The Press:
Well, the question is not --
you can't control how fast the

583
00:32:07,734 --> 00:32:13,404
vaccine comes out, but you can inform people on what to expect.

584
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,030
And there are people in very
long lines and very upset that

585
00:32:16,033 --> 00:32:18,533
they haven't -- they were led
to believe they could get it.

586
00:32:18,533 --> 00:32:22,433
Has the government done enough
to make that process smooth?

587
00:32:22,433 --> 00:32:25,863
Mr. Gibbs:
Look, we're constantly
working on that,

588
00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:35,367
understanding that we are
layering on to a vaccine effort,

589
00:32:35,367 --> 00:32:39,197
efforts that have to be
conducted by many different

590
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,030
levels of government.

591
00:32:42,033 --> 00:32:47,663
We're continuing to work on
ensuring that the vaccine can

592
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:50,897
get to where it needs to get and
to the priority groups it needs

593
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,870
to get to as
quickly as possible.

594
00:32:53,867 --> 00:32:55,867
And it's a topic,
I can assure you,

595
00:32:55,867 --> 00:32:58,337
that's brought up daily here.

596
00:32:58,333 --> 00:32:59,533
Jon.

597
00:32:59,533 --> 00:33:01,103
The Press:
Back on the visitor logs.

598
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:06,030
Those logs, as I understand it,
will be released on the 31st of December?

599
00:33:06,033 --> 00:33:08,563
Mr. Gibbs:
I've got to check on
the exact dates of --

600
00:33:08,567 --> 00:33:13,367
I think they will come out on a
frequent basis on a certain day.

601
00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:16,867
The Press:
But they only go -- but they only start with the visitors

602
00:33:16,867 --> 00:33:18,767
that came after September 15th.

603
00:33:18,767 --> 00:33:19,897
Why is that?

604
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:23,000
And will the White House
consider releasing records of

605
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,530
visitors prior to that?

606
00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:28,833
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, there is -- I think there are going to be requests that

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00:33:28,834 --> 00:33:32,964
have been made for records
that will be done --

608
00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:37,267
that have been made and it will
be released shortly on earlier

609
00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:40,466
visits, understanding
that one of the things --

610
00:33:40,467 --> 00:33:43,867
that this was a question fairly
early in the administration,

611
00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:48,497
that I said the administration
was working on a process for how

612
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:55,530
to do this -- understanding that the computer system that you

613
00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:57,633
have to go through, that hundreds and hundreds of

614
00:33:57,633 --> 00:34:00,503
thousands of people have to go through in order to get into

615
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:05,900
here, was not equipped to do what our administration asked of

616
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:07,200
it to do.

617
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,370
That process we put together in
order to ensure going forward

618
00:34:11,367 --> 00:34:12,837
those names would be released.

619
00:34:12,834 --> 00:34:18,664
And if people have requests,
they should be sent to the White House.

620
00:34:18,667 --> 00:34:21,237
The Press:
The 400,000, those are
mostly, I'm assuming,

621
00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:23,733
East Wing and
Residence visitors --

622
00:34:23,734 --> 00:34:25,034
Mr. Gibbs:
Some of them are tours, sure.

623
00:34:25,033 --> 00:34:27,403
The Press:
We're not talking about
West Wing meetings.

624
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,400
The West Wing meetings --

625
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,400
Mr. Gibbs:
Some of those are -- you'd be surprised the number of people

626
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,930
that come in and out of
this building each day.

627
00:34:33,934 --> 00:34:36,104
The Press:
So you're saying, though,
that the West Wing meetings,

628
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,730
the records for those meetings
prior to September 15 are not

629
00:34:38,734 --> 00:34:41,364
being released because there
wasn't adequate records --

630
00:34:41,367 --> 00:34:45,337
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm saying that all those
names -- there's a process --

631
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:48,003
again, I appreciate -- everybody seems much more interested in

632
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,670
this policy today than they were when we actually rolled out a

633
00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:56,397
policy that changed several hundred years of history.

634
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,430
We should maybe --

635
00:34:57,433 --> 00:34:59,603
The Press:
-- had a reason to wait; now
we have reason to ask questions.

636
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,670
There's a big difference.

637
00:35:00,667 --> 00:35:02,237
(laughter)

638
00:35:02,233 --> 00:35:06,833
Mr. Gibbs:
I appreciate that you
all have perked up.

639
00:35:06,834 --> 00:35:10,304
The Press:
Well, contributors coming into the White House going to the

640
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,230
bowling alley and places like
that will make you perk up.

641
00:35:13,233 --> 00:35:16,403
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, you know what, Chip, I'm glad that it took only about

642
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,230
three months for the
perking to happen.

643
00:35:18,233 --> 00:35:19,333
The Press:
Well, if you told
us about it then,

644
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:20,603
we would have perked up then.

645
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,370
Mr. Gibbs:
From now on I'll start lacing
in the news that changes several

646
00:35:24,367 --> 00:35:28,597
hundred years of precedent going
forward in the White House with

647
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,570
a shiny, dazzling object for
which to hopefully perk up --

648
00:35:31,567 --> 00:35:32,867
The Press:
And you'll tell us when big contributors come to the White

649
00:35:32,867 --> 00:35:35,437
House and in exchange for their
contributions have meetings with

650
00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:37,003
White House officials?

651
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,200
The Press:
Can you just
clarify real quickly,

652
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,970
what is the reason for --

653
00:35:39,967 --> 00:35:43,197
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, the process of accumulating those records.

654
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,070
The Press:
So they will be
released in mass?

655
00:35:45,066 --> 00:35:46,566
Mr. Gibbs:
No.

656
00:35:46,567 --> 00:35:48,737
I've answered this
now twice, Jon.

657
00:35:48,734 --> 00:35:52,634
If people have -- and I
think your paper does --

658
00:35:52,633 --> 00:35:57,563
have requests that look back,
those requests are being

659
00:35:57,567 --> 00:35:59,167
entertained and fulfilled.

660
00:35:59,166 --> 00:36:02,196
The Press:
Robert, keeping with the administration's ethical tone,

661
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,330
why not set a policy that says
campaign bundlers and donors

662
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:09,033
will have no more access to the
White House campus or senior

663
00:36:09,033 --> 00:36:14,133
administration officials
than the ordinary American?

664
00:36:14,133 --> 00:36:17,703
Mr. Gibbs:
Peter, the President believes strongly in transparency,

665
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:19,870
that people can
determine whether --

666
00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:23,797
who's here, why they're here,
and for what course of business;

667
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,230
that transparency in that
way in the best policy.

668
00:36:27,233 --> 00:36:31,403
There are people that gave money
that the President has been

669
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,170
personal friends with
since they went to school.

670
00:36:34,166 --> 00:36:36,436
I don't think it makes a lot of
sense to preclude somebody like

671
00:36:36,433 --> 00:36:39,063
that from coming here simply
because they gave money.

672
00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:41,436
David Axelrod couldn't work
here if that were the case --

673
00:36:41,433 --> 00:36:44,403
he's a donor.

674
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,670
The Press:
The President shortly will be signing the Matthew Shepard

675
00:36:46,667 --> 00:36:49,267
legislation as part
of the defense bill,

676
00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:51,536
and presumably he'll talk
about it at the time.

677
00:36:51,533 --> 00:36:55,133
But many of the activists are
comparing this potentially to

678
00:36:55,133 --> 00:36:59,863
the impact that the 1960 civil
rights legislation had for black Americans.

679
00:36:59,867 --> 00:37:02,637
And I wanted to ask you, is it
the President's position that

680
00:37:02,633 --> 00:37:05,633
this is also milestone
legislation for gays?

681
00:37:05,633 --> 00:37:09,463
And also, can you give us a
update on White House strategy

682
00:37:09,467 --> 00:37:12,897
with the Senate in terms of the
"don't ask don't tell" policy?

683
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,330
Have you figured out who you
want to carry it yet and --

684
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,733
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't have an update on that.

685
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:20,404
I will tell you, Margaret,
that obviously the President,

686
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,670
as you said, will address
this topic in signing the DOD

687
00:37:24,667 --> 00:37:28,467
authorization bill
later this afternoon --

688
00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:31,297
something that the Shepard
family and others have worked on

689
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:35,100
for more than a decade, and the
President is proud that it's

690
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:36,400
going to become law.

691
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,170
I'll tell you this,
the President --

692
00:37:38,166 --> 00:37:39,696
and you'll hear him talk
about this later today --

693
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:41,900
the President is
also proud -- Chip,

694
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:45,370
you might want to perk up --
the President is also proud --

695
00:37:45,367 --> 00:37:46,437
The Press:
I'm writing down every word.

696
00:37:46,433 --> 00:37:48,003
(laughter)

697
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Mr. Gibbs:
The President is also
enormously proud that --

698
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:57,070
of the effort that was both
made and that happened, Chip,

699
00:37:57,066 --> 00:38:00,766
in the DOD authorization bill
that cut out unnecessary weapons

700
00:38:00,767 --> 00:38:03,837
programs as part of a larger
procurement reform that the

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President, Secretary Gates, and
Senator McCain have talked about

702
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throughout the year -- F-22 funding for almost $3 billion

703
00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:16,467
that was in a bill that
has now been cut out;

704
00:38:16,467 --> 00:38:21,737
a presidential helicopter system that is no longer being funded

705
00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:24,834
after massive cost overruns.

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I think the President has a
lot to be proud of in this

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legislation because in many ways
it is changing exactly the way

708
00:38:32,667 --> 00:38:34,237
Washington does business.

709
00:38:34,233 --> 00:38:38,633
We're no longer funding weapons
systems that the Pentagon

710
00:38:38,633 --> 00:38:42,733
believes will do serious
disruption to their current

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00:38:42,734 --> 00:38:47,904
missions, or for programs that
are not -- are no longer needed.

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00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:53,400
The Press:
On just the gay rights stuff, does the President see himself

713
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,230
having the potential to do what
the Johnson administration did

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00:38:56,233 --> 00:38:58,163
for civil rights, for gays?

715
00:38:58,166 --> 00:39:00,896
Mr. Gibbs:
I think the President
made a series of promises,

716
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:05,030
including repealing
"don't ask don't tell,"

717
00:39:05,033 --> 00:39:08,363
ensuring that a hate crimes bill would come to his desk and that

718
00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:09,767
he would sign it.

719
00:39:09,767 --> 00:39:14,537
Those are promises that he
made sincerely and takes quite

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00:39:14,533 --> 00:39:18,433
seriously and is happy that one
of them will become law today.

721
00:39:18,433 --> 00:39:19,503
April.

722
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,530
The Press:
Robert, the hate crimes bill doesn't just deal, though,

723
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:26,803
with the issue of anti-gay
sentiments and things of that nature.

724
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,430
It deals with hate on other
fronts to include ethnicity and

725
00:39:31,433 --> 00:39:32,403
things of that nature.

726
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,530
Could you speak to the fact that
you have to deal with this and

727
00:39:36,533 --> 00:39:39,563
sign this into law in 2009 when
you do have the first black

728
00:39:39,567 --> 00:39:42,297
President here in
the White House?

729
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:46,870
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, the President --
I'd just reiterate that the

730
00:39:46,867 --> 00:39:51,597
President is enormously proud
of the fact that a bill that he

731
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,930
thinks should have become law quite some time ago before he

732
00:39:55,934 --> 00:40:01,034
was here, he's happy to
make sure becomes law today.

733
00:40:01,033 --> 00:40:02,103
Go ahead.

734
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,700
The Press:
Also on another front, has anyone from the White House,

735
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,130
Legislative Affairs, anywhere,
contacted Joe Lieberman by any

736
00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:12,263
chance about -- on a
whole other subject,

737
00:40:12,266 --> 00:40:17,036
on the issue of public
option and health reform?

738
00:40:17,033 --> 00:40:17,863
Mr. Gibbs:
Today?

739
00:40:17,867 --> 00:40:19,437
I don't know whether they've
talked to Senator Lieberman.

740
00:40:19,433 --> 00:40:22,633
The Press:
In recent weeks?

741
00:40:22,633 --> 00:40:24,963
Mr. Gibbs:
The Legislative Affairs
team is in touch with many on

742
00:40:24,967 --> 00:40:25,837
Capitol Hill.

743
00:40:25,834 --> 00:40:27,264
I'm sure they've talked
to Senator Lieberman.

744
00:40:27,266 --> 00:40:28,636
I'm sure they've
talked to others.

745
00:40:28,633 --> 00:40:30,603
The Press:
Is it a slap in the face
for this administration,

746
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,130
after they gave him a reprieve
early on and for him to come

747
00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:37,003
around and say, I'm
going against you?

748
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,970
Mr. Gibbs:
I would -- I'm not going to judge the end of this process by

749
00:40:40,967 --> 00:40:42,637
what people say today.

750
00:40:42,633 --> 00:40:43,963
The Press:
We're not talking about end, we're talking about what's

751
00:40:43,967 --> 00:40:46,237
happening right now.

752
00:40:46,233 --> 00:40:47,603
Mr. Gibbs:
You can talk about what's happening right now.

753
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:53,930
I'm focused on not necessarily
what is happening on any given

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00:40:53,934 --> 00:40:56,604
day but what the President is
trying to do over the course of

755
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,670
his administration to ensure
affordable and available health care.

756
00:40:58,667 --> 00:40:59,697
The Press:
Are you surprised
that he is making --

757
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:00,930
taking this step?

758
00:41:00,934 --> 00:41:03,804
I mean, he's still powerful no
matter what party he's involved in.

759
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,530
Are you surprised that
he's taking this step?

760
00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:10,563
Mr. Gibbs:
Look, the President is going to work to ensure that choice and

761
00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:14,667
competition are in a final
piece of health care reform

762
00:41:14,667 --> 00:41:17,667
legislation because
that's what has to --

763
00:41:17,667 --> 00:41:20,767
that's what we have to have
in order to make health reform real.

764
00:41:20,767 --> 00:41:27,267
The Press:
Are you guys okay with
Harry Reid's tactics?

765
00:41:27,266 --> 00:41:31,466
Mr. Gibbs:
The President got an update on the tactics and is pleased that

766
00:41:31,467 --> 00:41:33,097
we're making progress
going forward.

767
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,070
Yes.

768
00:41:34,066 --> 00:41:35,696
The Press:
When did he get
the update, Robert?

769
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:36,700
Mr. Gibbs:
When did get what?

770
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:38,870
The Press:
Has he spoken with Harry
Reid in the last 24 hours?

771
00:41:38,867 --> 00:41:41,567
Mr. Gibbs:
No, he got -- I think they got
a legislative update last week

772
00:41:41,567 --> 00:41:44,667
when they were here and you guys asked me why they were here.

773
00:41:44,667 --> 00:41:46,637
The Press:
Has he spoken with
Senator Lieberman --

774
00:41:46,633 --> 00:41:48,803
when was the last time the
President spoke to Senator Lieberman?

775
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:57,100
Mr. Gibbs:
Not that I'm aware
of in the last week.

776
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,700
The Press:
Is he in regular
conversation with Lieberman?

777
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:04,170
Mr. Gibbs:
There's not a periodically scheduled call.

778
00:42:04,166 --> 00:42:07,636
Again, I don't -- it's
not like, oh, gosh,

779
00:42:07,633 --> 00:42:11,933
it's Wednesday at one, I've
got to call Senator so-and-so.

780
00:42:11,934 --> 00:42:13,664
The Press:
You know what we're
talking about.

781
00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:15,797
Mr. Gibbs:
I understand, but do you remember who you called --

782
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,700
when was the last time -- if I started asking you when the last

783
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:19,730
time you called a certain person, you could tell me within the week?

784
00:42:19,734 --> 00:42:20,534
The Press:
I could tell you.

785
00:42:20,533 --> 00:42:21,533
I could tell you.

786
00:42:21,533 --> 00:42:23,163
(laughter)

787
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:24,636
The Press:
-- with Joe Lieberman?

788
00:42:24,633 --> 00:42:26,903
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, when was the last time
you talked to Joe Lieberman?

789
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:27,870
Was it last week?

790
00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:29,137
The Press:
No, it was actually
three months ago.

791
00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:30,703
(laughter)

792
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:32,330
Mr. Gibbs:
What day?

793
00:42:32,333 --> 00:42:33,363
The Press:
My follow on that --

794
00:42:33,367 --> 00:42:35,697
The Press:
To take my question
back really quickly --

795
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:37,200
(laughter)

796
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,500
-- will the President support Democratic groups such as

797
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:45,070
Organizing for America or groups
that support Democratic causes

798
00:42:45,066 --> 00:42:47,766
targeting Joe
Lieberman politically?

799
00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:50,397
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not going to get into
a series of hypotheticals.

800
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,870
The Press:
Mine is on the same
general topic --

801
00:42:52,867 --> 00:42:55,037
Mr. Gibbs:
You mean the last time you talked to Joe Lieberman?

802
00:42:55,033 --> 00:42:56,303
(laughter)

803
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,070
The Press:
It's been a couple of weeks,
but we didn't talk about this.

804
00:42:59,066 --> 00:43:01,466
Mr. Gibbs:
Don't give me "a couple
of weeks" -- tell me when.

805
00:43:01,467 --> 00:43:04,167
The Press:
Would the President call
Senator Lieberman --

806
00:43:04,166 --> 00:43:07,436
consider that he would call
Senator Lieberman to say,

807
00:43:07,433 --> 00:43:11,533
at least cast a vote to let this
be voted on on the Senate floor

808
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:13,363
and not block it procedurally?

809
00:43:13,367 --> 00:43:16,397
Mr. Gibbs:
Look, the Senate -- I'm
not Senator Lieberman's

810
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,870
spokesperson, but I think if
you talk to Senator Lieberman's

811
00:43:18,867 --> 00:43:23,897
spokesperson, Senator Lieberman
said today that he would vote

812
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:27,100
for the motion to proceed and
have this bill come to the floor.

813
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:29,400
I think that's the first
part of this process.

814
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,470
Sam.

815
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:31,997
The Press:
The second part of the
process, which is the vote --

816
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,030
Mr. Gibbs:
You can't get to the second before you get to the first.

817
00:43:34,033 --> 00:43:39,333
A motion to proceed and a motion
to get a bill out is a little different.

818
00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:42,303
The Press:
Fine, but my question is just the substantive problem that

819
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,230
Senator Lieberman has with the
bill and I'm wondering if you

820
00:43:44,233 --> 00:43:45,103
agree with him.

821
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:47,000
He thinks the public option
is going to create a new

822
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,070
entitlement program that is
actually going to result in

823
00:43:49,066 --> 00:43:50,936
increased cost in the
health care system.

824
00:43:50,934 --> 00:43:56,404
Mr. Gibbs:
I think we would disagree
and I think elements of the

825
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,300
Congressional Budget Office
would disagree with the analysis

826
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:01,900
that Senator Lieberman has made.

827
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Mr. Gibbs:
Thanks, guys.