Commons talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Archive 1

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Hi all. So what are we going to do here? --Brunei (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Brunei: , I was thinking about having some coordinated import and categorisation efforts, I know that the English-language Wikipedia's WikiProject Numismatics just launched a monthly newspaper and we could perhaps have a committee for having valued images from Wikimedia Commons appear in it. At first I created it mostly as a hub to find information related to numismatic subjects but if you're looking for something to do the British Museum has over 200 (two-hundred) images of feudal Japanese banknotes which are eligible to be imported to Wikimedia Commons. I know that WikiProject Iran has taken over the list of sources of free media idea inspired by a similar page here.

Do you perhaps have more suggestions of what this project can help realise? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

 Addendum, What is actually which I find a shame that it is not technically possible to list all new deletion requests of files in a category and all of its sub-categories because then all numismatics-related could be listed on a sub-page and then people with more knowledge about the copyrights surrounding numismatic subjects can comment on them. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 15:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Cross-wiki corporation

@ZLEA: , I was doing research into some global banknotes and according to Bob Reis from the website Anything Anywhere the country with the largest variation of banknotes are #1 (number one) Russia, #2 (number two) China, #3 (number three) the United States of America, and #4 (number four) Mexico. When asking around I received the reply "It really depends on what "different" means. As you stated, back in the 19th century and into the early 20th century, US banks could issue currency with their own bank name on it. The book on this subject is called "National Bank Notes" by Don C. Kelly. On his website he states "There are updated note values and populations based on a census of over 320,000 notes." While this number most likely includes many duplicates, there could be roughly 30,000 different types (6 different denominations for 5,000 banks)." related to this, now these are a lot of banknotes to import, and the page "Category:US Free Banking Era banknotes" only contains 30 (thirty) files as of writing this.

Now, what I'd like to propose is to invite people from the English language Wikipedia to help with importing things like this, scans of banknotes are 2D objects and do not create new copyright after scanning so importing them to Wikimedia Commons is easy and maybe some people over at the English language Wikipedia aren't aware of how to import banknotes to Wikimedia Commons. So I'd like to propose some line of corporation between WikiProject Numismatics across Wikimedia websites.

You could perhaps alert people that they can import such images to Wikimedia Commons in the newsletter and highlight a category of banknotes and/or coins which could always use more images and how they could help. I could even write a little guide on how to import banknotes if necessary. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 17:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung If you could write a guide before next month, I will send a special mass message to all members of the WikiProject and non-members who have shown an interest in US currency. - ZLEA _T\^C 01:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: , alRright, I don't think that I'll have it done by next month due to some other projects which require my attention, but I'll notify you when I do. The guide will be short and to the point. Probably a step-by-step guide on what is and isn't eligible for copyright ©. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:15, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung What if we organize a cross-wiki competition for uploading images of US banknotes. WikiProject Military history organizes a competition every year or two to increase the number of military-related articles, and several other projects use competitions to reduce backlog. - ZLEA _T\^C 14:43, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: , that is a great idea, I haven't found the time to write that guide but will a very simplified version of it soon. Competitions in general help with fighting both backlogs and creating new content as they are more engaging with contributors than just letting them largely do whatever. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 15:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I've created the first draft of the contest rules here. Let me know what you think. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

ZLEA That looks awesome. By the way, for how long do you expect the competition to run? A year? I think that there should also be a "hall of fame" for every annual gold 🥇, silver 🥈, and bronze 🥉 winners and we should probably create a special barnstar + userbox for the top 3 (three) and participants in general. I will start working on the import guide either tonight or tomorrow as I am sorting out a major expansion for an article about Korean cash coins. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I'm thinking that it would last two months (November and December), that way participants have plenty of time to get several of their uploads promoted to featured picture status and possibly on the main page of a wiki, but does not run too long that participants get bored and lose interest. For prizes, I'm thinking about making special "commemorative" versions of the WikiDollar. BTW, do you think that "American Period" Philippine peso banknotes should be allowed (the Philippines was part of the United States at the time)? - ZLEA _T\^C 20:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: Yes, the Insular Government of the Philippine Islands was a direct United States territory much like Puerto Rico today, though the Commonwealth of the Philippines was a dependency so though it technically was a part of the United States it was legally separate since 1935. Personally I am more inclined to see all issues of the Philippine peso until 1946 as "American" banknotes (of course with the occupation money being seen as "Japanese banknotes"). --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung While I agree that issues of Philippine peso banknotes until 1946 are "American", I'm not sure if the Commonwealth issues would be covered by Template:PD-USGov-money. What do you think? - ZLEA _T\^C 13:41, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: , well, the Commonwealth of the Philippines had its own constitution and American courts dictated that American law didn't apply to them and Pinoys were legally considered to be "aliens", so I think that we should review Filipino law for this, for "COM:CUR Philippines" says that it's acceptable, anyhow. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I've created a guide to help participants find the appropriate license tag for their banknote images here. When you have time, could you take a look and verify that the license tags I've listed are correct? - ZLEA _T\^C 17:20, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: , looks great, though you should probably also add banknotes issued by private banks during "the free banking era" which should also be licensed the same, though in this case it concerns private corporations and companies as opposed to the United States government.

It's probably wise to also set up a guide to categorisation, personally I would say that if we have enough banknotes that they should be categorised by issuer + series. For example for colonial New York they should be categorised in one specifically for the Province of New York (something I was planning on doing after I had done all "large issues" of Chinese banknotes and feudal Japanese banknotes). It's better to have a lot of sub-categories with a few dozen files than one category with hundreds of files. Also categories could inspire the creation of more articles but that's another story. Maybe we could also give bonus points for images used on a Wikipedia or another Wikimedia website. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung Thanks, but the "free banking era" banknotes were already listed as National Bank Notes and National gold bank notes. I've separated those from the list of government-issued notes.

I'll look into categorization soon, but I think that a better way to categorize the free banking era notes would be issuer + denomination, that way each category could be categorized by denomination. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Oops, I did not realize that the National Bank Notes and National gold bank notes were not free banking era notes. I will fix he rules. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I've created denomination specific sub-categories for each type of US banknote (including Free Banking Era, Confederate, Texan, and American Period Philippine banknotes) and a guide to categorization. As there are relatively few images of Free Banking Era notes on Commons, I have not yet broken up the category by issuer. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: I noticed, you showed up in my watchlist quite often. Thanks for your hard work. I also asked in the village pump some time ago how to get a custom version of the MediaWiki Upload Wizard and we'll need a special editor. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:30, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung A custom Upload Wizard and editor is a great idea, but is it possible? - ZLEA _T\^C 19:33, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: Yes, in fact almost all upload competitions on Wikimedia Commons have them. The people who can make them are called "Upload Wizard campaign editors", I will see if I could ask one to help us out, though all administrators also have this privilege. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung That may not be necessary, as I have requested the user right until the end of the year. - ZLEA _T\^C 01:02, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

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@ZLEA: , That's great news. Now we should find a way to approach other language WPN's, or is the English WikiProject Numismatics enough for this purpose? I suppose so, as it's probably the biggest. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I think it would be a good idea to approach WPN members in other languages. I can only contribute meaningfully in English, and I don't know how many languages you can contribute in, but perhaps we can request the rules to be translated in the "Big 10" languages (the 10 largest Wikipedia languages) at en:Wikipedia:Embassy. Also, it might be wise to invite WikiProject United States also. - ZLEA _T\^C 12:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I've been granted the campaign editor uner right and have creates the campaign here. - ZLEA _T\^C 13:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

The page for the contest is live. - ZLEA _T\^C 14:34, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: It looks awesome. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I've created a worklist for participants and templates for new and imported images that automatically score the images (see testcases). These templates should ease the scorekeepers' work, but scorekeepers will still needed to verify that the parameters have been filled correctly and that the submitted images are eligible. I've already listed myself as a scorekeeper. If you would like to be a scorekeeper, feel free to list yourself as one on the worklist. - ZLEA _T\^C 18:51, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: , where are scores being kept? Here at Wikimedia Commons or at the English-language Wikipedia? I can't edit any namespaces other than "(mainspace)", "User:", "File:", "Category:", and "Template:" (plus their respective talk spaces) because I had emoji's in my signature, so I won't be able to edit anything related to the WikiProject there, I would be able to do it here. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung The contest will be hosted on Commons. I created all the pages for the contest at English Wikipedia by accident and didn't realize my mistake until you asked. Sorry for the confusion. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@ZLEA: , that's great. Just add the pages as "Commons:WikiProject Numismatics/PAGENAME" and add them to "Category:WikiProject Numismatics US Banknote Contest (2019)". This category should be sub-ordinate to "Category:WikiProject Numismatics US Banknote Contest" which itself would be a subcategory of "Category:WikiProject Numismatics". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:28, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Donald Trung I've added the pages to the category you requested, but I didn't create the pages as subpages of WikiProject Numismatics as most participants will probably be from WikiProject United States. - ZLEA _T\^C 20:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

The new page is Commons:US Banknote Contest/2019. Let's move this discussion to that talk page. - ZLEA _T\^C 20:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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