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How is result determined?

As I'm quite new to FP, can someone explain how the result is determined? About my image (File:View across Slok reservoir to Belchatow power plant 4.jpg), it had 5 supporting and 2 opposing votes. Why exactly was it "not featured"? Guidelines say:

If an image is listed here for ten days [✓] with five or more reviewers in support [✓] and the consensus is in its favor, it can be added to the Wikipedia:Featured pictures list. Consensus is generally regarded to be a two-thirds majority in support [✓, 5 of 7 is more than two thirds].

There are also other images with 5/1 votes etc. that were declined. Have the rules changed? Or do I understand something wrong? Plozessor (talk) 14:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Plozessor: I think you are quoting from the English Wikipedia's FPC process? (en:WP:FPC). The process is similar here, but we have much more participation so the minimum number of supports is 7. The two-thirds rule still applies, and is firm (no "generally regarded"). — Rhododendrites ^talk |  14:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, you have read the rules on the English Wikipedia. Wikipedias in different languages have their own rules for FPs on their sites. Some Wikis just "borrow" their FPs from Commons, but some have their own assaments. Here on Commons the rules are a bit different with regards to number of votes and days. You can read the full Commons rules on COM:FPC#General rules. --Cart (talk) 14:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

  Ahhhh y, I read those before but somehow missed the relevant part. Thx! Plozessor (talk) 14:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Users who only vote one way

• I wonder what I can do about this user Mile? On my last 10 (successful) FPCs, he has two other opposes this one, this one, 3 negative comments, 3 ignored, 0 positive votes (last few months). On my current nomination, he has opposed while other users have been helping resolve technical processing challenges. Should I take this to Commons User Problems? He has many current support votes (and no opposes) for others' wildlife images. Charlesjsharp (talk) 08:47, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

  As I mentioned earlier, my suggestion would be to consider talk to him or ignoring it entirely if this user gives you that impression or makes you feel that way. Viewing this section as a space for receiving feedback rather than a competition for more FP might change our perspective. Wilfredor (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Opposing suggestion

What do you think about this?

Any and all oppose vote must have a reason consistent with the aforementioned guidelines.

★ 16:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It seems logical but it is well explained like this Wilfredor (talk) 18:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Some incidents happen sometimes. ★ 19:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

IMHO it was very rude of you. Users should be free to express their subjective point of view on photos, who are you to say that what Poco says is not important? I think that no user should be able to overrule another user's vote. Wilfredor (talk) 19:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Being rude is politicizing an plural environment like a FPC nomination page. Expressing a opinion (even political) ≠ Opposing on a FPC nom page. ★ 20:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Everything in this world is political and users should feel comfortable rejecting an image that goes against their ideals, beliefs, technical aspects, values, etc. Wilfredor (talk) 20:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Pinging all FPC users as of August 5, 2024

Poco a poco, El Golli Mohamed, Wilfredor, Lošmi, PetarM, Jakubhal, George Chernilevsky, Thi, Karelj, Zzzs, Needsmoreritalin, Augustgeyler, Yann, Famberhorst, Milseburg, Granada, Basile Morin, Laitche, Ermell, Tomascastelazo, Agnes Monkelbaan, Frank Schulenburg, Aristeas, The Cosmonaut, UnpetitproleX, Ikan Kekek, ABAL1412, BigDom, XRay, Snowmanstudios, Giles Laurent, W.carter, King of Hearts, Fæ, VulcanSphere, SHB2000, GRDN711, Radomianin, Rjcastillo, Cmao20, Moheen, Kritzolina, Rhododendrites, Draceane…

 Disagree

1. That would certainly be nice, but I doubt whether there is really always a reason in relation to the guidelines. I've seen a lot of comments that simply say "no wow" and it can happen that this is enough to reject a picture. In my opinion, the obligation would lead to more such blanket comments. It would be enough for me if we continued to maintain a friendly atmosphere. This is a wish based on the experience that there are some people who, to be honest, also write rather impertinent comments. --XRay 💬 05:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
2. --A.Savin 07:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
3. What XRay said. --SHB2000 (talk) 02:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Eh. Not completely sure what we're voting on (and FYI pinging doesn't work on Commons if you have more than 10 names in the same diff), but if the question is "should we interpret the text at Commons:Featured_picture_candidates#Voting as presenting strict rules" the answer, I think, is no. We could change those rules to be stricter, but right now it just presents an ideal, asks you to explain, and provides examples of unhelpful explanations. It doesn't create a brightline rule against unhelpful explanations, though. Also per XRay. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  14:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
5. Common sense and respect is what we need, not rigid rules. --Wilfredor (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
6. Per above --Zzzs (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
7. Feels exclusionary to users of minority languages. The rule would take a long time to promulgate. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

POTY new rules

Dear FPC users,

As you all know some featured pictures eventually end up being a Picture of the Year finalist. POTY scripts have been completely rewritten and I think a vote should be held to know it the rule stays "top 30 overall + top 2 of each category becomes finalist" or if, as proposed on POTY talk page by Ingenuity, it becomes "top 30 overall + top 5% of each category becomes finalist". Please vote on this page only.

Thank you for your time and I wish you all a beautiful day -- Giles Laurent (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I am not sure a vote is needed, but if it is, it should be advertised on the Village Pump. Yann (talk) 06:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. The fact that many different opinions have already been given proves a vote is necessary in my opinion. Keeping status quo would not need a vote but any change to the rules might make significant difference to finalists comparing to previous years so I think a vote is necessary. Just advertised it on Village Pump -- Giles Laurent (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Why don't we have category winners and runners up? Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the hint, Giles! – Aristeas (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)