Commons talk:Ancient Chinese characters project

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	Pending tasks for Ancient Chinese characters project:	edit this list - add to watchlist - purge
	This project's initial contributors have retired. You are welcome to take over ! --Yug (talk) 17:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)  Done Finished the Commons:Ancient Chinese characters/seal -- 0 missing !!! The template {{ACClicense}} (example) needs some love and upgrade, so to look as elegant as the {{SOlicense}} template (example). The template {{ACClicense}} & {{SOlicense}} must allow visitors easy access to the how-to tutorials so to ease action. Find fonts to programmatically generate the Songti, Kaishu, Lishu sets.  Done Template:Chinese characters naming: add "priority" column (as for teaching) #f7fcb9 #addd8e #31a354; add coverage column.  Done Migrate the 214 SVGs of Kangxi radicals in the dictionary’s own style to {*}-mingti-kangxi.svg Pri. Type Minimal definition Dominant objective Time period Old convention New convention Example Coverage Images showing writing styles •• 金文 jīnwén>Shang Casted bronze scripts, Shang period 1300 BCE – 1046 BCE 馬-s.svg 馬-bronze-shang.svg 1 •••• 甲骨文 jiǎgǔwén Knife carved oracle scripts 1300 BCE – 1046 BCE 馬-oracle.svg 馬-oracle.svg 7 • 甲骨文 jiǎgǔwén>Western Zhou Knife carved oracle scripts, Western Zhou period 1046 BCE – 771 BCE — 馬-oracle-zhouyuan.svg N/A 3 •••• 金文 jīnwén Casted bronze scripts, Western Zhou period 1046 BCE – 771 BCE 馬-bronze.svg 馬-bronze.svg 8 •• 金文 jīnwén>Spring and Autumn Casted bronze scripts, Spring and Autumn period 771 BCE – 476 BCE 馬-sa.svg 馬-bronze-spring.svg 1 •• 金文 jīnwén>Warring States Casted bronze scripts, Warring States period 476 BCE – 221 BCE 馬-w.svg 馬-bronze-warring.svg 6 ••• 簡帛文字 jiǎnbówénzì Brush on slip or silk scripts by Chu state 476 BCE – 221 BCE — 馬-silk.svg 3 + 1 ••• 簡牘文字 jiǎndúwénzì Brush on slip scripts by Qin state 476 BCE – 221 BCE — 馬-slip.svg 15 • 傳抄古文字 Chuánchāo gǔwénzì Transcribed various ancient Guwen scripts before Qin dynasty, collected by Hanjian — — 馬-hanjian.svg 0 • 傳抄古文字 Chuánchāo gǔwénzì Transcribed various ancient Guwen scripts before Qin dynasty, collected by Sishengyun — — 馬-GWSSY.svg 0 • 傳抄古文字 Chuánchāo gǔwénzì Transcribed various ancient Guwen scripts before Qin dynasty, collected by Jizhuan Yunhai — — 馬-JZGWYH.svg 0 • 傳抄古文字 Chuánchāo gǔwénzì Transcribed ancient Guwen big seal script before Qin dynasty, collected by Liushutong 221 BCE – 1644 CE 馬-bigseal.svg 馬-bigseal.svg 4 •• 隸書 / 隶书 lìshū Early ancient clerical script to be specific, collected by Libian 221 BCE – 134 BCE — 馬-clerical.svg 25 •• 隸書 / 隶书 lìshū [Temporary category under discussion] Early ancient clerical script to be specific, collected by Libian historical 221 BCE – 134 BCE (actual) — 馬-clerical-han.svg 5 •• 隸書 / 隶书 lìshū [Temporary category under discussion] Modern stylisation of early ancient clerical script teaching 221 BCE – 134 BCE (fake) — 馬-clerical-qing.svg 0 • 奇字 qízì Similar to variants, collected by Shuowen 221 BCE – 220 CE — 馬-odd.svg N/A 0 •• 古文 gǔwén Script from Zuo zhuan by Warring States, collected by Shuowen 221 BCE – 220 CE 馬-ancient.svg 馬-ancient.svg 42 •• 籀文 zhòuwén Script from Shizhoupian by late Western Zhou, collected by Shuowen 221 BCE – 220 CE 馬-zhou.svg 馬-zhou.svg 0 •••• 篆 > 小篆 xiǎo zhuàn Normalized zhuan scripts by Qin dynasty and some Han dynasty zhuan scripts, collected by Shuowen 221 BCE – 220 CE 馬-seal.svg 馬-seal.svg 109 New Modern Chinese Characters ** •• 草書 / 草书 cǎoshū Brush on paper's fast script, aka Cursive. teaching 43 BCE – present — (font available) 馬-caoshu.svg 55 •• 行書 / 行书 xíngshū Brush on paper's fluid writing, aka Semi-cursive. teaching ca. 100 CE – present — (font available) 馬-xingshu.svg 199 •• 楷書 / 楷书 kǎishū Brush on paper since Han dynasty, aka Regular scripts teaching ca. 200 CE – present — (font available) 馬-kaishu.svg 728 •• 宋體 / 宋体 sòngtǐ, 明體 / 明体 míngtǐ Printing-blocks scripts. Aka Songti, Mingti. teaching 1368 CE – present — (font available) 馬-songti.svg 404 • 明體 / 明体 míngtǐ > 康熙 kāngxī Printing-blocks scripts in Kangxi dictionary historical 1716 CE – present — (font available) 馬-mingti-kangxi.svg 219 Images showing stroke order • 楷書 / 楷书 kǎishū Animated by stroke teaching web era 馬-sbs.gif 馬-sbs.gif ** 5 •• 楷書 / 楷书 kǎishū Black to red progression teaching web era 馬-red.png 馬-[tj]red.svg ** 257 + 18 + 29 •• 黑體 / 黑体 hēitǐ Animated with directional arrows, on hēitǐ (Sans-serif) characters teaching web era — 馬-[tj]order (Sans-serif).gif ** 12 + 0 + 0 •••• 楷書 / 楷书 kǎishū Animated calligraphy teaching web era 馬-order.gif 馬-[tj]order.gif ** 589 + 7 + 27 •••• 楷書 / 楷书 kǎishū Row of grey to black chars with directional hints teaching web era 馬-bw.png 馬-[tj]bw.svg ** 1,066 + 10 + 102 ** Do not use “m”, “t”, or “j” freely in filenames above. We use them such: “m” for modern, “t” for traditional, “j” for Japanese, etc. ed NEW! On dominant objective Styles are artificial groupings along a spectrum of writings. Outside Wikimedia, each style actually gather endless variations by its writers. Two opposite objectives are therefor possible on that spectrum: historical accurate: documents the exact glyph as done by the writers of that time. Various glyph representations of a same character may be uploaded. This is what history, calligraphy enthusiasts, academics look for. teaching principles: represents the implicitly agreed, canonical, idealized, shape-simplified, smoothed principle of a style. This is what fonts do and propagate, and what teachers looks for. ACC categories are on this spectrum. Those who do and upload, decide where their category stands.

Visualizing the work done for the 214 radicals !

1. Ancient Chinese characters/order  Done, thanks to everyone !!! priority: high
2. Ancient Chinese characters/red -- 200 missing. priority: low. Resource: File:214_Kangxi_stroke_order_friendly.svg & https://jsfiddle.net/Lfbav31h/
3. Ancient Chinese characters/oracle -- 62 missing. priority: high
4. Ancient Chinese characters/bronze -- 46 missing. priority: high
5. Ancient Chinese characters/bigseal -- 40 missing. priority: high
6. Ancient Chinese characters/seal  Done, thanks to Warzaz and LiliCharlie !! priority: high
7. Ancient Chinese characters/clerical -- priority: low, fonts widely available
8. Ancient Chinese characters/mingti-kangxi  Done, thanks LiliCharlie  !-- priority: low, fonts widely available
9. Ancient Chinese characters/kaishu -- priority: low, fonts widely available
   • .png :  Done
   • .svg :  Done (but name issue).
10. Ancient Chinese characters/cursive -- priority: low, fonts widely available

--Yug (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Note : In parallel to this ACC project, User:LiliCharlie has created great SVG datasets for CJK radicals. Images in these datasets, while following a different naming convention, could be :

• for 540 Shuowen radicals in seal style, some files could be duplicated to fill the missing ACC's seal.
• for 494 Kangxi radicals in Kaishu style, a naming convention should be found in order to handle variants, then files migration to the existing {zi}-{t|s|j|k|…}{kaishu}.svg ACC kaishu serie.
• for Kangxi radicals in a kangxi variant of sonti style, be renamed to create a new Kangxi set of svg files.

Yug (talk) 16:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

As far as naming conventions are concerned: Are you aware that Unicode will encode Chinese "pre-Hàn" characters on the Tertiary Ideographic Plane and not unify them with 汉字 proper? —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I like your question OoO.

(1) I knewn it was a technical possibility but didn't know it was on an official unicode roadmap.

(2) The ACC project stands upon Unihan. The extrem typography and multiple glyphs flexibility of pre-Li Si is put aside. The ACC project focus on one glyp for one style for each one modern character. We have in mind the illustration of learning materials, by example, Wikipedia ^^.

Due to diverging national guidelines for modern days Kaishu, we also must accept variants, generally {t|s|j|k|h} for trad, simp, jap, korean, hongkongese. We also add some other variants code for "atypic" or "historical variants" which we only store for rare illustrative purposes but not aim to cover properly (for all characters).

(3) As of now and for Kangxi style and kaishu style, I thing it could be technically ok. I noticed your naming scheme ({0|1|2|3|4}), could of some help. Did you notice if these numbered >0 variants are each attached to one separate country, or if you saw them all coming from a single country ? Yug (talk) 20:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

PS: This is mind flowing ^0^ --Yug (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, and note that not all small seal characters in http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2015/15281-n4688-small-seal.pdf have a corresponding modern Hàn character (e.g. numbers 93 through 96), so the current naming conventions will not be applicable for those. —LiliCharlie (talk) 23:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

It's beautiful....... U.U. They will also design with more regularity than we do. And I have a lead (NodeJS) to extract all these characters into {unicode}-seal.svg files :D Yug (talk) 16:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Quest for open fonts in Kaishu, Songti, Lishu

The following discussion is closed, and will be archived soon. On good way. Font2svg-lingust script, ShufaBot, {{MCClicense}} are ready. Yug (talk) 22:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hello all, I just coded an opensource JS / NodeJS script to generate ACC svg from fonts. This is expected to help a lot for -kaishu.svg, -lishu.svg, and -songti.svg which are currently completely missing (aside of LiliCharlie effort on Kaishu).

1. Ancient Chinese characters/clerical -- priority: low, fonts widely available
2. Ancient Chinese characters/songti -- priority: low, fonts widely available
3. Ancient Chinese characters/kaishu -- priority: low, fonts widely available
4. Ancient Chinese characters/cursive -- priority: low, fonts widely available

I give a list of 500 characters to the program, some settings (size, style), press Enter to run it and it output the 500 associated svgs with the correct filenames. I currently can use cwTeXQKaiZH-Medium.ttf for kaishu, and NotoSerifCJKtc-Medium.otf for mingti.

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  cwtex (the Taiwanese form has ⺼ instead of ⺝; the Kangxi form has 二 instead of 亠)
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  cwtex
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  cwtex (yes I know 18 strokes is Wrong ! )
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  Programmatic generation also opens new avenues
  -kaishu-en.svg
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Unfortunately, given the modules I depend on for automatic vectorization :

1. some fonts formats fails (Arphic's Ukai.ttc by example)
2. cwTeXQKaiZH-Medium has only glyphs for true characters, and has no glyph for the Kangxi radicals who are only radicals, nor on the CJK Unified Ideographs 4E00+, nor on the Kangxi Radicals 2F00—2FDF.

False characters are not available in cwtex fonts. Can be done by hand from ukai tho or patched by @LiliCharlie: 's svg, but it feels a bit dirty to me (not same code within the svg files).

Also, I need to test more fonts and ask you for help : could you share with me your Kaishu, Songti, Lishu fonts ? To do so, please contact me via email.

Any font will be appreciated. --Yug (talk) 22:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

A wide range of fonts are available online, under open or closed copyrights. The technology used make that, unfortunately, some formats cannot be processed. Credit image: Micheletb.

1. As for copyright, I think I can legally upload png of copyrighted fonts of standard Chinese styles, and machine-made svg of open license fonts. This indeed opens positive avenues, beyond kaishu, Songti and Lishu, potentially affecting Seal fonts and Semi-cursive. For Cursive, I wonder of copyright of the calligrapher applies. Yug (talk) 10:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

2. As for Xinshu, I found a font working. I wonder why the characters not working are different... Yug (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to Micheletb listing, I got a nice and working Xinshu font. Same, some radicals missing but should roll fine for characters. I haven't tested for trad + simplified yet.

Just ran it over a traditional kaishu font for 3000 characters and it works * ___ *. (no one care but I'am happy ^0^y) --Yug (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I want to mention one thing which is Ancient Chinese characters exclude Kaishu, Songti (which is a printed variant of Kaishu), Lishu, Xingshu and Caoshu. The fonts for those scripts are easy to find and commonly used now. In contrast, there is almost no font available for ancient scripts like oracle, bronze and silk, and normally they cannot be found at every corner of modern China or Japan. I think that the reason why we started this project, rather than Kaishu or Lishu characters project. lishu is less popular now, and most people don't write it in daily life. Maybe we could upload some Lishu ACC, however, it is still considered as a modern script. For CAoshu an Xingshu, many people write in those ways. As always, we can use <span style="font-family:宋体;">馬</span> and <span style="font-family:楷体;">馬</span> to display 馬 and 馬. By the way , I wonder besides Songti and Kaiti, what else can be displayed on web page directly. --Wargaz (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

As for your code for modern glyphs, please note that the call to the font family doesn't work on many computers.

Yeah... i've been bothered by that thing... I climb myself on the fact Lishu, Xingshu and Caoshu were in use under Han dynasty n__n, but since still under active use, they cannot be labelled as "ACC". Will we, my pet script and me, have to to create a Commons:Modern_Chinese_characters_project page ? Q__Q Yug (talk) 14:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC) (been thinking about it)

"I wonder besides Songti and Kaiti, what else can be displayed on web page directly."

Heiti fonts are installed on numerous systems.

Web page designers should always expect viewers not to have seemingly "universally installed" fonts installed on their various systems, but modern web typography offers solutions for this frequent scenario. So the correct reply is: Any font style can be displayed on web pages without resorting to images if you have a suitable embeddable font. —LiliCharlie (talk) 14:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I would like to consistently cover the Kangxi radicals and supplement in all these Ancient (ACC) and Modern (MCC?) styles at least, for teaching purposes, since they carry the core of the meaningful cases. Files are helpful for books and web{sites|pages|apps} (wp & wiktionary), so they don't have to fight on both battlefronts, images and fonts. Some other meaningful characters would be interesting to cover consistently across ACC and MCC as well. While priority is low to produce images of MCC styles widely available via open licences fonts, the script I runs now opens a cost-efficient avenue for those styles / projects. Yug (talk) 13:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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Script updates

1. User:ShufaBot:
   • This project would be best to be lead by someone with:
   • file deletion rights, which i don't have.
   • mass upload capability, which i don't have.
     • Dig into mw:API:Upload#Example 1: Upload a local file directly
     • Dig into mw:Manual:Pywikibot- it has a script for batch uploading images: mw:Manual:Pywikibot/upload.py
2. Script:
   1. Github: https://github.com/hugolpz/font2svg-linguist
   2. Dependencies :
      • text-to-svg : for font-text to path conversion
      • svgo : for svg optimizations, if needed.
   3. /data contains list of characters to feed the script
      • kangxi-rad-*: contain kanxi radicals and true characters tables
      • lists-cmn.json : contain characters lists such as hsk, frequencies, etc.
   4. /fonts-cjk: contains few fonts.
      • Kaishu
      • Other fonts are to find online. See Free Chinese Fonts
      • List of CJK fonts revamped.
   • Status (2021-04-20)
     • Documentation : human friendly and up to date !
     • Script update: Clean script.
       git clone then try
       Feel free to dig in if you have time and the npm/js/shell skills required. Yug (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Bot

• See User:ShufaBot and bot master User:Yug

Template

• See {{MCClicense}}

See also

• Stroke order related script to push forward. Yug (talk) 15:30, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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The above discussion is closed, and will be archived soon.

Community vision

Hello all, on some of the ACC project's aspects I feel we need more clarity. The Template:Chinese characters naming page and its bottom gather some helpful indications. Yet I collected the following questions below, and would like to discuss them in a focused manner so to clarify it which way we are walking. Also, your input would much welcome as the community has to set its common vision.

1. Radicals or characters for Kangxi uploads ?

Observe the differences here: https://jsfiddle.net/vd0jawLy/ . According to wikt:User:Yug/kangxi-rads, we mainly use characters-radicals in filenames.
There is reasons to belive MediaWiki makes a systematic shift toward characters : in wikt:Module:User:Yug/char-summary's sourceedit field, both sets are present. 
In wikt:Module:User:Yug/char-summary's published version, the characters are present twice. Yug (talk) 20:16, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I just noticed it is not clear for me where whe should put our kangxi radicals image. See File:⿓-kaishu.svg (radical U+2FD3) and File:龍-kaishu.svg (character U+9F8D). Do we have a policy on that ? From Ancient_Chinese_characters/kaishu it seems we are uploading on characters. Did someone noticed that and made a policy ? Yug (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

2. Redirect ?

Hello folks, I just noticed the ambiguous case of simplified characters for the ACC project. Few points to discuss tho !

1. Uploads go upon {traditional character}-{era-style}.svg, defacto and rightfully.
2. {simplified character}-{era-style}.svg should generally stay empty (no image), right ?
3. {simplified character}-{era-style}.svg should be red as in no file available, or blue as in redirect available. We currently do both. I just added one

Yug (talk) 17:43, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I think Redirect for simplified characters is unnecessary. In English Wiktionary, {{Han simp}} can redirect users to check the traditional form. In Chinese and Japanese Wiktionary, {{:Han etyl|<the simplified character / Shinjitai>}} can show the same content as the traditional one. --Wargaz (talk) 23:21, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

3. What to do with accidental graphic features/details/noise ?

We will start to tag categories as either historically accurate vs idealized simplifications such as computer fonts. Yug (talk) 20:17, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

This file upload history illustrate the choice between raw upload and smoothed one.

I wonder if we on the ACC project are storing the exact replicas of archaeological signs, including their accidental features and details. Or if we are storing the conceptual drawing, cleaned up from these accidental features. From the direction we take on this point will flow a series of related decisions. Yug (talk) 19:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

4. Documenting today's characters origins or documenting past characters ?

See #3. Some categories will be archeological works. Some will be simplifications for teaching purpose. Yug (talk) 20:20, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

It is still unclear if our aim is to illustrate the ancestors of today characters, using the point of view and light from nowadays professors teaching to nowadays kids.
Or if we want to documents historical signs, a number of them who are now dead in themselves, replaced by other sign for same meaning, and not currently covered by the common CJK(V) unicode plane. We are now touching this issue. Yug (talk) 12:12, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

ACC Quality control and review : needs for a system

ACClicense may contain conditional parameter which ends up creating Categories for review. Better understanding of it is needed. Yug (talk) 20:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Frigoris rightfully opened a character review on File talk:毋-bronze.svg. But it's actually a thing we should both do more and be able to track properly on the long run.

The most basic level would be a 3 stages tracker such as :

• Review completed: item(s) successfully reviewed in past year or so, so users who missed the discussion can review again and provide new lights.
• Review ongoing: item(s) under active discussion. An issue have been identified, is discussed, and we are discussing what to do.
  1. File talk:毋-bronze.svg — currently under review.
• Needs review: item(s) which may contain errors unidentified yet.
  1. {{ACC category}}
  2. Category:Clerical Han script characters — mostly uploaded by new contributor currently learning by doing, may need review for consistency (templates, filenames).
  3. File:女-oracle-J26001.svg — renaming of an upload done years ago by an user unaware of the ACC project. ACClicense and values quickly copied from file:女-oracle.svg, but are inexact. The best match I found was Oracle J26001 from Richard Sears. I'am still confused by ACClicense and didn't fully cleaned it up. Yug (talk) 19:10, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

1. Resize svg frames to 300x300px, character to 270px:
   •  Done File:鬲-bronze.svg,
   •  Done
   •  Done File:鬲-bigseal.svg

The upper end organisation would be something systematic such as Wikipedia articles quality evaluation system. If anyone has the energy or/and knowledge materialize to something in this direction, it's welcome. Yug (talk) 14:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Which suffix for Kangxi style

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Renaming done. See advancement summary at the top of next section. Yug (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Kangxi radicals to update

 Renaming discussion closed : file to be moved to → {rad}-mingti-kangxi.svg 
 Renaming  Done, via MediaWiki JS's script. Yug (talk) 14:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 Update page description : to push next. Yug (talk) 14:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, I got the authorisation by LiliCharlie to truly integrate Category:The 214 Kangxi radicals in the dictionary’s own style (in SVG format) into ACC project. This means 214× :

1. file renaming: File:Kangxi_Style_Kangxi_Radical_009.svg → File:人-mingti-kangxi.svg.
2. {{ACClicense}} tagging.

I'am moving to use programmatic approach to move and edit files via MediaWiki JS as shown in :

• mw:API:Edit
• mw:API:Get
• mw:API:Upload
• mw:API:Move

See also :

• mw:Manual:Interface/JavaScript#Personal_scripts and User:Yug/common.js which moved the 2 first files programmatically.
• Commons:Bots & Commons:User scripts -- the script cited above starts to shows bot-like properties.

Yug (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Given my user rights, I have ratelimits such as :

"ratelimits": {
  "move": {
    "user": {
      "hits": 8,
      "seconds": 60
    },
    "autopatrolled": {
      "hits": 32,
      "seconds": 60
    }
  },
};

So I may move 32 files per minute. In 8 runs the 214 are done. Yug (talk) 13:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Kangxi serie phase 1: renaming

•  Done via MediaWiki JS's script. Yug (talk) 14:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Kangxi serie phase 2: ACC updates

This Kangxi serie currently have no ACC tagging, but it is required.
See also : wikt:User:Yug/kangxi-rads, Category:Shuowen_seal_script_characters. Yug (talk) 10:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Files' pages must be updated with relevant template

Pick ACC code from here	Paste ACC code and update values there
→ Pick 一-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 一-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 丨-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 丨-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 丶-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 丶-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 丿-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 丿-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 乙-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 乙-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 亅-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 亅-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 二-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 二-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 亠-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 亠-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 人-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 人-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 儿-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 儿-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 入-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 入-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 八-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 八-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 冂-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 冂-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 冖-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 冖-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 冫-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 冫-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 几-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 几-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 凵-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 凵-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 刀-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 刀-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 力-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 力-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 勹-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 勹-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 匕-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 匕-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 匚-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 匚-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 匸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 匸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 十-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 十-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 卜-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 卜-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 卩-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 卩-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 厂-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 厂-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 厶-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 厶-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 又-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 又-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 口-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 口-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 囗-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 囗-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 土-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 土-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 士-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 士-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 夂-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 夂-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 夊-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 夊-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 夕-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 夕-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 大-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 大-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 女-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 女-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 子-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 子-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 宀-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 宀-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 寸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 寸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 小-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 小-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 尢-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 尢-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 尸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 尸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 屮-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 屮-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 山-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 山-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 巛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 巛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 工-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 工-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 己-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 己-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 巾-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 巾-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 干-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 干-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 幺-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 幺-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 广-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 广-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 廴-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 廴-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 廾-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 廾-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 弋-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 弋-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 弓-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 弓-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 彐-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 彐-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 彡-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 彡-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 彳-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 彳-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 心-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 心-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 戈-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 戈-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 戶-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 戶-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 手-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 手-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 支-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 支-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 攴-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 攴-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 文-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 文-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 斗-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 斗-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 斤-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 斤-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 方-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 方-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 无-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 无-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 日-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 日-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 曰-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 曰-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 月-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 月-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 木-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 木-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 欠-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 欠-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 止-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 止-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 歹-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 歹-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 殳-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 殳-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 毋-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 毋-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 比-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 比-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 毛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 毛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 氏-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 氏-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 气-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 气-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 水-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 水-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 火-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 火-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 爪-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 爪-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 父-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 父-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 爻-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 爻-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 爿-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 爿-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 片-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 片-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 牙-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 牙-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 牛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 牛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 犬-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 犬-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 玄-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 玄-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 玉-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 玉-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 瓜-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 瓜-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 瓦-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 瓦-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 甘-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 甘-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 生-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 生-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 用-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 用-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 田-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 田-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 疋-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 疋-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 疒-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 疒-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 癶-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 癶-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 白-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 白-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 皮-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 皮-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 皿-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 皿-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 目-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 目-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 矛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 矛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 矢-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 矢-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 石-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 石-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 示-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 示-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 禸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 禸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 禾-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 禾-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 穴-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 穴-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 立-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 立-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 竹-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 竹-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 米-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 米-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 糸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 糸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 缶-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 缶-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 网-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 网-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 羊-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 羊-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 羽-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 羽-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 老-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 老-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 而-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 而-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 耒-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 耒-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 耳-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 耳-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 聿-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 聿-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 肉-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 肉-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 臣-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 臣-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 自-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 自-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 至-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 至-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 臼-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 臼-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 舌-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 舌-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 舛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 舛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 舟-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 舟-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 艮-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 艮-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 色-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 色-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 艸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 艸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 虍-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 虍-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 虫-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 虫-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 血-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 血-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 行-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 行-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 衣-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 衣-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 襾-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 襾-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 見-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 見-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 角-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 角-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 言-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 言-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 谷-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 谷-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 豆-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 豆-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 豕-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 豕-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 豸-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 豸-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 貝-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 貝-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 赤-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 赤-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 走-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 走-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 足-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 足-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 身-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 身-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 車-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 車-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 辛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 辛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 辰-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 辰-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 辵-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 辵-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 邑-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 邑-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 酉-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 酉-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 釆-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 釆-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 里-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 里-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 金-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 金-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 長-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 長-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 門-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 門-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 阜-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 阜-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 隶-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 隶-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 隹-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 隹-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 雨-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 雨-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 靑-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 靑-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 非-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 非-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 面-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 面-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 革-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 革-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 韋-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 韋-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 韭-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 韭-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 音-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 音-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 頁-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 頁-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 風-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 風-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 飛-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 飛-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 食-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 食-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 首-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 首-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 香-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 香-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 馬-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 馬-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 骨-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 骨-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 高-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 高-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 髟-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 髟-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鬥-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鬥-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鬯-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鬯-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鬲-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鬲-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鬼-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鬼-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 魚-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 魚-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鳥-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鳥-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鹵-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鹵-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鹿-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鹿-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 麥-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 麥-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 麻-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 麻-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 黃-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 黃-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 黍-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 黍-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 黑-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 黑-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 黹-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 黹-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 黽-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 黽-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鼎-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鼎-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鼓-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鼓-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鼠-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鼠-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 鼻-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 鼻-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 齊-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 齊-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 齒-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 齒-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 龍-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 龍-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 龜-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 龜-mingti-kangxi.svg
→ Pick 龠-seal.svg	→ Paste-update 龠-mingti-kangxi.svg

Approach: I would like to use this opportunity to learn about bot/scripts and page edition's via content mw:API:GET, replace, mw:API:EDIT (POST new content). See also NodeJS/Javascript module Wikiapi. Yug (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Dating of bronze-script characters and file names

Hello @Yug and Micheletb, I noticed that some files following the name pattern File:X-bronze.svg (where X stands for a character), intended to be used for the Western Zhou era (according to {{Chinese characters naming}}), were likely or suspected to be from another time period. For example:

• File:万-bronze.svg, from the Warring States 單䇎討戈 (now in the collection of Category:Changsha Museum), "correct" name would have been 万-bronze-warring.svg
• File:湘-bronze.svg, from the Warring States 鄂君啓舟/車節. The file File:湘-bronze-warring.svg already exists (uploaded by myself, using another instance of the same character in the text without realising the duplication)
• File:叡-bronze.svg, clearly the one from the Zhongshan bronzes of the Warring States. The character has not been found in W-Zhou lexicon.
• File:尚-bronze.svg, another one from Zhongshan.
• File:而-bronze.svg, again from Zhongshan.
• File:洹-bronze.svg, likely from 洹子孟姜壺, Spring and Autumn
• File:珈-bronze.svg, from the famous Category:Bianzhong of Marquis Yi of Zeng, Warring States
• File:維-bronze.svg, from the 蔡侯殘鐘s of Spring and Autumn
• ... etc.

Others without confident identification of source

• File:州-bronze.svg, possibly from a Shang inscription.
• File:期-bronze.svg, possibly from a Spring and Autumn inscription. The term itself wasn't familiar in W-Zhou inscriptions.
• File:冶-bronze.svg, suspected Warring States script based on style. The character itself was rare if attested at all in W-Zhou lexicon, and became widespread in Warring States (due to the use of hallmarks).
• File:及-bronze.svg, suspected as the one from 齊𩍂氏鐘, Spring and Autumn.

There could have been many more which I cannot possibly check any time soon.

The reason why this is a problem, is that

• it causes confusion about historical dating of characters, as suggested by {{Chinese characters naming}};
• it confuses automated tools at sibling projects such as Wiktionary, where the glyphs were injected by etymology templates into pages and displayed under headings such as "Western Zhou", "Spring and Autumn", etc., apparently based on file names here. If the file name doesn't reflect the historical dating, no matter the metadata, the display there will be off. (I think there must be a reason why those projects trust file names rather than metadata?)

The question is then what to do about them?

• Conventional rename (leaving a file redirect, possibly the one preferred overall here on Commons?): This seems to require additional working on the Wiktionary side. Currently, for its effect, see the page at the English Wiktionary page for 返. The duplication of the same glyph is caused by the redirect here. I know next to nothing about how to fix it there, but I can post a message to Wiktionary about this.
• Rename without leaving redirect? This seems to mean lots of extra work on Commons, because it amounts to deleting File:s?
• The status quo; do nothing. But I can't see a reason for this, except it's the easiest one.
• Others? I.e. change/reinterpret the ACC naming conventions?

I wonder how you think about it. --Frigoris (talk) 13:08, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

What if we completely delete, then re-upload under a more suitable filename? Is that 100% equivalent to renaming without leaving a redirect? Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@LiliCharlie, thanks! My impression is that deletion is difficult without sufficient privileges. Isn't it necessary to nominate for deletion, obtain consensus, and then delete, for each file? As for "speedy deletion", I don't know whether in this case the incorrectly named files can be "speedily deleted", although I attempted once with File:返-bronze.svg (still pending). --Frigoris (talk) 19:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

On speedies deletions:

If you are the uploader, the speedy suppression asked as "Request by creator (Erroneous upload)" is always approved rapidly. "Request by creator" also vastly gets approved : we assume the uploader found a mistake, made a judgment, and is correcting it via the speedy.

If you aren't the creator, you still can request as file's speedy via "Erroneous upload to delete (Category clean up ongoing as approved by Commons ACC project's team)." It should get approved.

The most difficult to delete are redirect pages, which per rules are not to be deleted so legacy links from wikimedia wikis and external websites still get a page and redirect. This rule does not account for project like our ACC project, where the filename his central and meaningful.

Other speedies are quite smooth to get. Yug (talk) 08:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@LiliCharlie and Frigoris, Also, if I remember well, *-bronze.svg was the initial namespace for ALL bronze styles so we may get a "complete" set. Then came nuances: we opened up the substyles and *-bronze.svg is now defined as "Casted bronze scripts, Western Zhou period". It is therefor likely that this *-bronze.svg namespace actually still contains subnamespaces [non Western Zhou period] items. Since bronze wasn't my domain of activity I have no memory of any rules to handle such cases now that we have several namespaces for bronzes. Yug (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Jin handwriting script added to the Xiaoxuetang character evolution database

Good news everyone. Fantastic news.

The Xiaoxuetang character evolution database now includes the Jin scripts from the Houma Oaths (侯馬盟書). Those were a collection of oath texts brushed on stone tablets by the co-conspirators of various political plots, including the lead-up to the partition of Jin.

Example: 趙, 顯, 視

--Frigoris (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Navbox

Hello everyone,
With the recent arrival of User:FanNihongo, his creation of a new tutorial and questions for guidance I went for a new clean up push and realized the place is quite a mess. We barely have a list of our own pages and subpages. As FanNihongo asked in which direction he may contribute, I started to collect past progress lists,gathering those pages below and created this navbox :

This navbox could be expanded to include the ACC project more, as well as tutorials, conventions, todo lists and any relevant page as long as relevant to the SOP/ACC projects. Please add relevant lost pages or lists you may bump over in that navbox. After gathering most of it, we will consider to split it 2 navboxes (SOP vs ACC) if required. As for today, I simply wish to ping the team about this navbox and the direction it can take. So feel free, as you find lost subpages, to add them in there.

As for the Stroke Order Project it is also increasingly necessary, by respect for potential contributors, to point more visibly to automated efforts which are MakeMeAHanzi, animCJK and Hanzi Writer, and on tutorials to programatically import content from them (github, bot & co). I add this to my to do, and as you may have noticed in past few years, I will do a push on that "somedays".

Best regards to each of you ^^ Yug (talk) 12:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I think I start to see the end of this mapping effort. But if you bump into other pages, please add them somewhere on {{SOP/Progress navbar}} (or its talkpage).Yug (talk) 13:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)