Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives November 01 2016

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Consensual review

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File:16-09-29-Bahnhof_Calau-RR2_6548.jpg

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there is nothing to distort. --Ralf Roletschek 11:03, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Running total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → More votes?   --Peulle 07:40, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:16-09-16-Flugplatz_Tegel-RR2_5853.jpg

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Running total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Decline?   --Peulle 07:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Adiantum peruvianum 8891.jpg

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  • Nomination Adiantum peruvianum --Vengolis 00:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose Sorry, the flower pot is tilted and disturbing IMO", but I'm not sure, let discuss--Lmbuga 00:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support I do only see the beauty of the plant. Good quality. --Johann Jaritz 02:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment Ok Johann, I'm not sure, but to me a QI must be more than..., but... Thanks in any case for your opinion--Lmbuga 02:31, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment It`s just my personal point of view, nothing else. I can also retrace your "but". --Johann Jaritz 03:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Not a good framing. Also, the foreground leaf is out of focus. Alvesgaspar 13:38, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Declined   --Hubertl 08:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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  • Nomination Пам'ятник Богдану Хмельницькому на честь того, що у визвольній війні 1648- 1654 рр. під керівництвом гетьмана України Б.Хмельницького м. Біла Церква була опорним пунктом боротьби українського народу проти польсько-шляхетського поневолення, Біла Церква, Вул. 50-річчя Перемоги- напроти дитячої муз.школи № 1 (колишнього «Замкового палацу» граф. Браницької). By User:R naumov --Мирослав Видрак 17:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Oppose Sorry, proposal is ininteligible--Lmbuga 20:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Ininteligible data of the picture. Strong contrast IMO--Lmbuga 20:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)  Support Well categorized now Good picture!!!!--Lmbuga 20:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support this description is for me easier to understand than english. In my eyes no reason for oppose. --Ralf Roletschek 19:52, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I'm not agree: The picture is not well categorized and I don't know which this language (or this statue) is. In short, can anyone tell me information about this sculpture? I will write it on the image data. Although maybe I should not do it--Lmbuga 21:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment First of all, this photo is no doubt a quality image, to my mind. I think we should add the category for the name of the statue and then declare this a QI by acclamation. -- Ikan Kekek 05:11, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment Please check the file page now. W.carter 07:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support Thanks to the quick work of W.carter, the image now has a suitable category. @Lmbuga: The description doesn't need to be in English, although it's very helpful to the community if it is. The image itself is of good enough quality to reach QI status, albeit a slightly tight crop at the bottom right.--Peulle 09:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment - OK. Is it legitimate to vote against a photo on the basis of an objectionable description? Here's the description that I would take issue with: "Under direction of B. Khmelnitsky Hetman of Ukraine. Bila Tserkva (White Church) was the stronghold of the struggle of the Ukrainian people against Polish gentry oppression". Unfortunately, Khmelnitsky is a hero to many Ukrainians. But major targets of the uprising he led were ordinary Jewish people, thousands and thousands of whom were massacred (there is some coverage at w:Khmelnytsky Uprising, particularly the section on Jews), and for Ashkenazic Jews of Eastern European origin, he is often considered to be second only to Hitler among the enemies of the Jewish people in relatively recent history. I would be totally fine with an objective description like this: "Bila Tserkva (White Church) was the stronghold of the Ukrainian forces he led against the Polish gentry", or something similar, and I don't insist that his mass murders of Jews be mentioned, but I'm afraid that I have a problem with the current wording. -- Ikan Kekek 09:52, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I should add that I would ask for the description to be changed in Ukrainian, too, and any other language it is translated into; otherwise, what's the point? -- Ikan Kekek 09:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I see your point and I empathize, but we should keep in mind that Commons is not a political arena. While a person may be described as a hero in one country, another country might not see him that way. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I think the closest we can come to a compromise is shortening down the description so that it is less specific, perhaps something along the lines of: "a prominent figure in the Khmelnytsky Uprising". See what I mean? As for judging according to the QI guidelines, they don't go into detail about this, just that there must be "an accurate description". One thing you could do, is open a discussion about this on the file's discussion page.--Peulle 14:46, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Shortening is basically what I'm asking for, as you can see. I wasn't sure whether part of judging for QI and other types of judged statuses might have to do with some kind of standard of a neutral point of view or, as on Wikivoyage, a "fair" description. I guess in this case, "accurate" would be the issue. I seriously doubt anyone will read anything on the file's discussion page, though. Does anyone ever read those? -- Ikan Kekek 16:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • The photographer should certainly read it. I'm note sure if there is a way you can call attention to it from others as well, but it can't hurt to try. Another possibility is to suggest an edit yourself. This is Commons, so you are free to edit the work if you believe it is an improvement. Having a look at the descriptions of other images of the same statue can help.--Peulle (talk) 17:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Question Is there any way to link to this thread for reference on the file's talk page? -- Ikan Kekek 09:24, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment It should all end up on the photo owner's talk page, under the image comments.--Peulle 19:14, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support Good enough. Alvesgaspar 13:39, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Delete} this file. Sorry, but there is no FOP for Ukraine. --Brateevsky 19:26, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Hubertl 13:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Church_of_the_Christ_of_the_Savior,_Храм_Христа_Спасителя,_Вид_со_стороны_Волхонки.jpg

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  • Nomination Church of the Christ of the Savior --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 13:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Comment Sky covered with dust spots and noise artefacts. Categories should be fixed as well.--Ermell 17:03, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Insufficient quality --A.Savin 17:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Ermell, whats wrong with category? --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 09:42, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
    •  Comment I think the dead link is fixed now.--Ermell 20:26, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Per others, as Savin--Lmbuga 01:12, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Heavily overprocessed, artefacts and oversharpening. Redlink in categories too.--Peulle 09:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Declined   --Hubertl 08:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Гроза_і_замок.jpg

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  • Nomination Pidhirtsi Castle. By User:Robert-Erik --Ahonc 20:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support Good quality. --Ralf Roletschek 20:56, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Some CAs to be fixed, needs slight perspective correction and, IMHO, the lightning is fake and added with postprocessing. --C messier 07:19, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Unsharp areas, weird blue halo around the roof - this is not a QI to me. -- Ikan Kekek 05:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Oversharpened, noisy, green CA.--Peulle 09:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Photoshop desaster, sorry. --Smial 13:33, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose --Hubertl 15:03, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 5 oppose → Declined   --Hubertl 13:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Inner_Place_of_Church_of_the_Christ_of_the_Savior.jpg

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  • Nomination Church of the Christ of the Savior --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 13:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose Insufficient quality. Nothing is sharp, poor lighting --A.Savin 17:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support sharp enough for QI at 24 MP and light ok. --Ralf Roletschek 20:03, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose - I agree with A.Savin. -- Ikan Kekek 23:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment @Savin: If you think nothing is sharp than a fixed ww lens with 1/800 f14 FX is not good enough. You are well knwon for strange comments (poor lighting)...What I found out and this is really poor minimum 3 dust spots on chip --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 10:03, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Please try to avoid ad hominem arguments. I usually work with high standards of quality, although I use a camera cheaper than yours. So you surely could apply at least same standards if you wanted to, otherwise you have to live with the fact that many of your photos being declined here (or to leave QIC completely). --A.Savin 10:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Something seems to have gone wrong with the processing here - it just doesn't look natural. Possibly oversharpened with attempt at compensation afterwards?--Peulle 09:30, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Declined   --Hubertl 08:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Храм_Христа_Спасителя._Вид_со_стороны_Волхонки._—_Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour.jpg

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  • Nomination Church of the Christ of the Savior --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 13:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support Good quality. --Ralf Roletschek 13:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Inufficient quality --A.Savin 17:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose per A.Savin. The domes and upper parts of the sky are not QI quality, in my opinion. -- Ikan Kekek 05:46, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Just to say some more words than "crap" or "marvellous": Blurred, probably by noise reduction. Perspective improvable. Why ISO800 in bright sunshine when taking a shot of a static object? You lose at least two f-stops of the sensor's capability to manage high contrast. so here we see also lost detail in bright areas. --Smial 00:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I agree with Smial.--Peulle 09:25, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose → Declined   --Hubertl 08:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Zodiac crew in thick fog over Hinlopen strait reaches mothership.jpg

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  • Nomination Thick fog on Hinlopen strait, Svalbard --AWeith 12:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Oppose Even if this is a good artistic example of fog, a QI has to have something that contrasts a bit more than this IMO. File should also be renamed since that name has to reflect what an observer actually sees in the pic. Sorry. --W.carter 08:24, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
    •  Comment Dear W.carter, I agree to your comment regarding the title. However, with all due respect, I can't accept the argument regarding the contrast in a foggy situation. You may agree that there is hardly any substantial contrast, especially not in an extreme fog as displayed here. None of the QI's at commons reflects such a situation yet and those displaying fog do not present substantial contrast either. It would be non-natural anyway. Nevermind; I'd accept your vote though in case you do not accept my arguments. -- AWeith 16:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
      •  Comment No problem, this is what 'Consensual Review' is for. :) I don't believe you've had one of those before. Let's hear what the rest of the community thinks about this very hard decision. The additional contrast I was speaking of could have been another (more visible) object between the Zodiac and the camera. Thanks for the rename though! --W.carter 18:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support It looks as described, and I definitely have experienced thick fog like this (walked through it many times, in fact, in the morning in Long Island). -- Ikan Kekek 05:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
    •  Comment Hold it. I've temporarily struck through my support vote. There's a dust spot in the fog in front of the ship that needs to be removed. -- Ikan Kekek 05:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
      • ✓ Done Ikan Kekek, thanks for spotting it (them!); hope I caught them all. W.carter, this was not your major complaint; I wanted to let you know anyway. --AWeith 08:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
        • @AWeith: True, I simply missed that one, Ikan is a better dust spotter than I am. :) More eyes makes for better pics. It will be interesting to see how the consensus will be on this pic since it will set a precedent for other pics in the future. You challenge us with photos that are not common here and that's great! :) W.carter 09:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
        •  Support I had seen only one before. I reinstate my support. -- Ikan Kekek 09:14, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak  Support. The image shows the typical technical limitations auf digital cameras and 8-bit-jpg: slight remains of low frequency chroma noise and slight posterization when depicting very soft colour gradients. But composition is good and the topic is very well illustrated. --Smial 09:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support Good shot for its subject; there should be fog images on Commons and considering the conditions, this is OK.--Peulle 20:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support --Ralf Roletschek 20:57, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support Quite nice. Almost a good FP candidate... Alvesgaspar 13:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you so much for your positive judgements; you light up my memories of one of the most adventurous incidents of my life. We were really threatened whether we would make our way back. And this - for my personal sentiment - has been one of the most moving images I ever took. In this context, Alvesgaspar and all of you here, thank you that you consider this image a felicitous one!. --AWeith 21:44, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • AWeith Glad you made it back despite the fog. For safety reasons, I trust you had radio equipment on the zodiacs and with an adequate naval radar system on board the ship, the ship's crew ought to be able to clearly detect the zodiacs on the radar and guide you towards the ship. -- Slaunger 20:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Total: 5 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Hubertl 08:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)