Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives June 01 2018

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Consensual review

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File:Watersnuffel_(Enallagma_cyathigerum)_d.j.b.jpg

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  • Nomination Watersnuffel (Enallagma cyathigerum). Head of the common blue damselfly.
    --Famberhorst 05:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support Good quality, nice composition. --GT1976 05:30, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Opposefemale out of focus. Charlesjsharp 22:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Oppose - Gotta agree with Charles on this. -- Ikan Kekek 06:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak  Support Somewhat low DOF. --Smial 16:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Oppose per Charles.--Peulle 14:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose → Declined   --Basotxerri 15:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

File:Hellebore_in_NYBG_(70027).jpg

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  • Nomination Helleborus at the New York Botanical Garden. --Rhododendrites 18:00, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Oppose Not a QI as it lacks the species --Poco a poco 18:24, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Comment Switched to discuss per Poco a poco's talk page. My understanding was that the standard for QI was to be identified to the genus level, as the species can be much more difficult to determine, and in some cases involves some guesswork. Obviously it would be ideal to have the species, and someone on Reddit took a shot at identifying it, but I'd prefer to be certain. Moving to discuss to see whether there is a consensus on genus vs. species requirements. Rhododendrites 20:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Comment Hmmm... difficult. Some species of plants can be very difficult to identify (for instance there are more than 150 species of Taraxacum in Norway alone), so plants may be an area where there are more exceptions to the rule. However, since this is a botanical garden, are there not some kind of posters or experts nearby to explain what the various plants are? --Peulle 07:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • NYBG is a vast space, without a lot of staff roaming around, unfortunately. Most things are nicely labeled, but other times (like this), things are kind of sprinkled over a large area. The NYBG website does say that Helleborus are in the area of the garden I took this picture, but doesn't give any species. I have in the past emailed and/or tweeted them to ask for help with an identification, but never receive a response. My best luck has been with Reddit's whatisthatplant subreddit. See this thread. Someone offered a likely species, but the Wikipedian in my wants a bit more certainty before categorizing as such (the person said likely Helleborus x hybridus, but others look plausible, too, like Helleborus orientalis and Helleborus purpurascens). Rhododendrites 17:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Support The species is not a criteria for a QI, but it is for a VI (as a scope is necessary). The category 'unidentified helleborus' is the suitable one. For me, it is a QI. --PJDespa 16:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
    Well, that it is a prerequisite for VI is clear, but that doesn't mean that it isn't for QI. QI expects a proper description and categorization and that's without the species imposible IMHO --Poco a poco 20:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Support For me Rhododendrites' and Peulle's argumentations are OK. Anyway, I've asked on the French Wikipedia Plant Identification Page for it. Maybe they will help us, normally they respond quite fast. --Basotxerri 18:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Comment The French Wikipedia Plant Identifiers vote for Helleborus orientalis. --Basotxerri 20:10, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Good enough for me. Thanks. And thanks to Meneerke bloem for implementing the categorization. I still maintain that genus should be sufficient for QIC, but that seems to be moot in this case. Rhododendrites 20:54, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  •  Support - Very good quality. -- Ikan Kekek 08:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Basotxerri 15:52, 31 May 2018 (UTC)