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- Info Denim (underside) under the microscope / Сreated by Alexander Klepnev - uploaded by Alexander Klepnev - nominated by JukoFF -- JukoFF (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support -- JukoFF (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Fascinating and would be a great VIC nominee, regardless of the outcome of this nomination. Can we have the magnification, please, Mr. Klepnev? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ikan Kekek unfortunately Klepnev will not answer you, the participant appears in Wikimedia projects only at the time of the contest Science Photo Competition. JukoFF (talk) 11:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps someone knows how to contact him. Magnification is scientifically quite important, and also important for use in an encyclopedia if Wikipedians would want to use it, wouldn't you say? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- I can't figure out what an increase can do, I don't have the baggage of knowledge in materials science, but ..... Is it not obvious to you what is shown in the photo? :) JukoFF (talk) 18:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- JukoFF, Ikan is not asking you to magnify or enlarge the photo, he wants to know what the magnification ratio is. You misunderstood. I guess it is about x50(?) :-) --Cart (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If you're confident it's around 50x, give or take, we can add that information to the file description and hope Mr. Klepnev edits it to 49x or whatever later this year. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's just a guesstimation. You start seeing the twisted ribbon shape of cotton fibers at around x50 so this could be even higher. --Cart (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not an expert in fibres under a microscope, but this looks like artificial fibre, and two separate threads woven together, rather than a dyed cotton thread. It may be "denim coloured" fabric, but it isn't cotton denim. -- Colin (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Have you seen cotton denim under the microscope before? :) JukoFF (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- This looks just like cotton fiber. [1] Even the dye looks right. Indigo will stay on the surface of natural fibers. That is why you can stonewash a pair of jeans to rub away the dye. Most artificial fibers have the color absorbed into the very fiber. I have done a lot of dyeing in my days, especially indigo, and this looks ok to me. Oh, and btw, denim can be thread dyed or fabric dyed. Some denims are woven from indigo dyed and white thread for a different look. The jeans I'm wearing right now are woven just like in the photo. --Cart (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Cart, I removed your second link as my antivirus blocked it as a site containing malware (possibly hijacked). Ok, so the cotton fibre can be more regular than I expected, but I'm still confused (a) that it appears see-through and (b) that it is in fact in colour given that when I google "cotton fiber microscope" I get scanning electron microscope images of similar thread, which of course have no colour. Btw, as this note and this note, a description like "50x" only makes sense for images like this if you specify the size of the image you are looking at (e.g. 8"x10" print or longest side 25mm). Why can't I find similar pictures to this? -- Colin (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Colin, cotton fibers are actually tranclusent, almost transparent, as are most fibers when you get down on a microscopic level. Most photographers take advantage of this and shoot cotton fiber in polarizing light, just like you have done with clear plastic objects. Google "cotton fiber microscope polarizing", or even alamy and you get a nice selection of photos.
- When identifying fibers, you can't go by if they are transparent or opaque to determine if they are natural or manmade. General rule of thumb: If they have a complex structure, are twisted or have scales, they are grown (by animals or plants). If they are long smooth and look like some sort of pasta, they are extruded. Manmade fibers are extruded in some shape and so are silk and spiderweb (silkworms and spider don't "grow" their thread, they extrude it). This page sums it up rather well. --Cart (talk) 19:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support, with the misgivings expressed above. I hope they're dealt with before this is run as POTD. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support -- Cmao20 (talk) 23:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Daniel Case (talk) 06:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support--Llez (talk) 06:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support has good EV for articles related to denim and cotton fiber. Buidhe (talk) 22:47, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support -- Johann Jaritz (talk) 06:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 7 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /George Chernilevsky talk 21:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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