Commons:Bots/Requests/EatchaBot 4

EatchaBot (talk · contribs) 4

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Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: Live POTY results for both rounds , in my user-space

Automatic or manually assisted:

Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Automatic, Continuous run during the POTY event . Yearly

Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): not exceeding 20 per hour

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Flagged Bot

Programming language(s): Python3 ( Source Code @ GitHub )

Eatcha (talk) 09:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

• Example at User:Eatcha/2019/Picture-of-the-Year-Round-1-Real-Time-Results. Will not affect a single page out side my user-space. But this request is now necessary IMO. -- Eatcha (talk) 09:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I think generally edits in the own user space do not require approval unless they lead to significant amount of traffic. The latter might be fulfilled here. May I ask why you need close to real-time updates (40 per hour)? Wouldn't be something like once an hour be sufficient? --Schlurcher (talk) 09:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Schlurcher It's actually 1 edit per 10 minutes or 6 edits per hour. But I prefer a higher quota, anyway decreased to 20 per hour. -- Eatcha (talk) 09:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

1 edit per 10 minutes is a big time-frame, certainly not real-time. -- Eatcha (talk) 09:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I increased the update time to 2 edit's per hour. // Eatcha (talk) 04:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Seems a good compromise. Thanks you. I leave the merit discussion to others, as I am very neutral on this ground. --Schlurcher (talk) 09:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

• This will likely be the first and last year you can run this bot. Commons_talk:Picture_of_the_Year/2019/Committee#Cryptography_proposal, though, if you manage to break it, I would be amazed. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 17:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• What if the benefit if these statistics, who does use it for what? --Krd 07:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Users at FPC are the primary users, the page is not advertised anywhere but still page-views. Why this can be useful ? It's more transparent and live results are now standard feature of every polling platform. Any photographer can easily analyze the results and advertise their photographs on their home wiki to get more votes to beat the leading candidates. -- Eatcha (talk) 09:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

live results are now standard feature of every polling platform

Objection. Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2020/03#Proposing_new_section_to_Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2019/Help Quote:

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Fair, but maybe voters should have some more freedom to sort according to their own free will. Aren't we making it harder by asking them to choose from 1000s of random images with no power to sort the candidates by number of votes or uploader. When you buy something online, wouldn't you want to sort the list according to your requirements ? Everyone should have the right to vote easily, sorting makes it easier. -- Eatcha (talk) 06:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Online shopping is neither a poll nor a contest --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 06:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Well, unless sellers think they are competing on those platforms, in which case, the platforms are not inclined in any way to make the 'contest' fair. Getting more revenue is more priority than making the sellers that think they are a competition platform happy. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 06:24, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Polls on Twitter ? Facebook ? They all display live results or news sites ? Major online surveys have real time results facilities. -- Eatcha (talk) 06:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC) A lot of polls only show results after the person votes. Many of them are just a poll and are not a major one that tries to be fair. No randomization, for example. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 06:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Still, there's no evidence that live results creates unwanted bias. The allegations are based on personal opinions. -- Eatcha (talk) 06:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC) I have addressed this. Special:Diff/403296558/403297691. You have not responded and just repeated your point. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 07:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC) I don't think this discussion's outcome, is going to change. Thanks for answering my questions. // 07:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

The most well-known counterexample I can think of is the US presidential elections

advertise their photographs on their home wiki to get more votes to beat the leading candidates.

Objection. This is unnecessary canvassing. The committee already advertise the POTY in an, as far as I am aware, candidate neutral manner, using various venues such as WatchlistNotice and CentralNotice. I do not see any benefit of your suggestion. See also Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2019/11#Use_of_Commons_watchlist_notices_for_user_rights_requests.

--Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 09:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Besides that objection, which I second, I'd say the stats should either be oficially in a public place and well announced, or should not exist at all. --Krd 09:58, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

•  This was a bad Idea, will stop the bot and mark that page for deletion. I expected 2k-3k views but I am disappointed. // Eatcha (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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Closing as withdrawn. --Krd 16:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)