Commons:Bots/Requests/ArthurBot

ArthurBot

Operator:  Mercy (☎|✍)

Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: adding/replacing text

Automatic or Manually Assisted: manually assisted, supervised

Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): one time runs

Maximum edit rate (eg edits per minute): approx. 1 edit per 10 seconds

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Not yet on this project. But it is a global interwiki bot with flags on 40+ projects (Wikipedias, Wikiversities, Wikiquotes). It is also used for general maintenance on the Czech Wikipedia and Czech Wikiversity.

Programming Language(s): Python

I'd like to use my bot for mass changes such as adding different templates (mainly PermissionOTRS), changing categories or fixing double redirects.  Mercy (☎|✍) 11:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

I see you're adding {{Location}}. Are you aware that this template is intented for the photographers location and not the subject location? We have {{Object location}} for that. Multichill (talk) 12:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Older bot's contributions should be fixed. Also how bot'll handle situations when several objects presented on image? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

@Multichill: For all the edited pictures in Category:Anthropos, the camera's position was nearly the same as the position of the museum objects, therefore there's no need for any corrections. I'll change the added templates in the rest of the edited pictures to "Object location". This is the first time I've heard of this template. Thanks for info.

@EugeneZelenko: Since the bot runs only on images that I choose, the situations like this will not occur. I'd put the Object location/Location template only to pictures with one object present. -- Mercy (☎|✍) 16:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you please always add new line character after inserted template? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will. -- Mercy (☎|✍) 16:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I've made the requested corrections and several other edits. Please feel free to review them. Best regards, -- Mercy (☎|✍) 10:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks OK for me. However sometimes will be good idea to add template with request for camera location when you add {{Object location}}, for example, in File:Faculty of Social Studies 2 - MU Brno.JPG. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It's good practice to add in comments where you got your location data from. Helps when you want to debug. Multichill (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko: That's a little complicated but it is possible too, I think.

@Multichill: I'm using the geolocator tool. I'll try to do some bot edits with comments on the location data later on. -- Mercy (☎|✍) 09:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Where do things stand on this? Have there been additional runs to review? Or is the current state what we should be approving or ? This request has sat for a while, apologies... ++Lar: t/c 17:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I asked the requester directly for an update. As with some other reuqests, I suggest if another week or so goes by with no response we archive as unsuccessful. Comments? ++Lar: t/c 01:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, sorry for the delay, I've recently been quite busy. I've made several other edits with my bot: [1], [2] or [3]. But I was wondering which template to use for the request for camera location. Is it this one? -- Mercy (☎|✍) 18:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, {{Location possible}} is what is needed :-) --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that this template requests adding coordinates to the image, not the camera location. Is it really necessary to add it? -- Mercy (☎|✍) 17:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It just point to Commons:Geocoding where more details about how to add coordinates (camera one) available. Anyway it indicates that further improvements possible. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but the Object location template points to the same page. :-) That's also why I don't think adding this template together with the Object location template is not appropriate. -- Mercy (☎|✍) 16:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

However we really need camera location. May be we just should improve text of {{Location possible}}? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree we need the camera location. But then there should be created another template that requires it. {{Location possible}} is rather a general template which requires geocoding to be added to the image. -- Mercy (☎|✍) 19:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

But default geocoding mode for photos is camera location. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, but if I wanted to add the camera location template, I wouldn't use my bot for such action and would do it manually, as this can become quite a tedious job to do. Anyway, I think we got quite far from the original topic of the discussion, didn't we? Are there any other comments to my bot's activity? -- Mercy (☎|✍) 10:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, that adding camera location is not trivial. This is reason why I asked you to add {{Location possible}} (somebody could do this later).

Actually we are discussing bot's activity and possible improvements to it so I don't think that we deviate discussion in unrelated areas.

EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

As I pointed out before, {{Location possible}} is a general template which only requests adding geocoding to the image. If someone created a template requesting the camera location, I'd be happy to add it with my bot together with the {{Object location}} template. At this point, I don't think adding such a general template is appropriate. Thoughts? -- Mercy (☎|✍) 18:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I think {{Location possible}} is appropriate, but feel free to discuss this issue in Commons:Geocoding. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to discuss it there as I don't have much time for discussing. Anyway, I think it's time to move on. Any other comments? -- Mercy (☎|✍) 11:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I think question with template should be resolved first, just to avoid multiple bot's edits. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)I admit I'm a bit confused here about what the questions are, but EugeneZ is our primary bot approver so if he has concerns I am not comfortable granting the flag until they are addressed. ++Lar: t/c 21:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't really want do discuss things which are quite obvious from the template nor the things which are not directly related to my bot's work. In my opinion, the bot works well and there are no legitimate unresolved objections to its function on this request page. I'd be happy to answer any other questions if there were any. -- Mercy (☎|✍) 08:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm opposed to marking this as approved until Eugene says his concerns are satisfied. ++Lar: t/c 02:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

But I didn't say I wanted my bot to be flagged right now. :-) I only wanted to know if there were any other questions or comments to my bot's work. Eugene's concerns are no real concerns, I'd say. Do you think it is appropriate to add coordinates to the images together with a template that is requesting the coordinates addition? I don't... -- Mercy (☎|✍) 07:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, let me not agree with you view on my concerns :-)

Entire purpose for this discussion: how to make bot operation as best as possible. I don't think that it good idea to re-do job several times (adding one template, then other).

Coordinate information added by bot now is not good enough. So it's necessary to tag such images with request to additional information. If you don't like existing template, please improve it, or make new better one (Commons talk:Geocoding is best place for discuss this issue).

EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me, that the user can handle a bot. The "problem" is disagrement about the use of a specific template. So if Mercy promise not to do edits as long as they are disputed I se no problem granting a bot flag so bot can do the undisputed edits. --MGA73 (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello folks, my apologies for such a late reply, I was out of reach of the internet connection for over two weeks. I really wasn't expecting there would arise the above-mentioned problems. Therefore I promise the bot won't be adding the coordinate information in the future. Best, -- Mercy (☎|✍) 15:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)