Category talk:Tir y Coed

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Location of Category:Unidentified woodland “Pant Du” in northern Wales

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These photographs are presently (30 September 2023) in Category:Unidentified woodland “Pant Du” in northern Wales which has the text 'A series of photographs of an unidentified woodland in northern Wales, called Pant Du. These were uploaded to Flickr by user Phlips, who have other photographs labelled with Cheshire, Nercwys, Rhydymwyn. This category should be renamed (or merged with a pre-existing category) once this woodland is identified'.

I have identified the location of what the photographer calls 'Pant-du woodland, N Wales'. The East Pant Du United Lead Mining Co Ltd is identified as having been based in Mould, Flintshire by some sources. Other sources have it located in Nercwys, and one source has it located in East Pant Du, Nercwys. The company worked the Pant Du lead vein which is shown at the https://mapcarta.com/W901632085 web page. The Clwyd Metal Mines Survey page, of the Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust, web page https://www.cpat.org.uk/projects/longer/mines/18149.htm says the company worked the Nerquis (sic) Mountain and describes the area as being (presently) an area of very dense woodland. It locates the workings at Ordnance Survey national grid reference SJ2160058900. The OS map, which can be found at https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/105644 shows the wooded area as Nercwys Mountain. Google Maps https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Eryrys,+Mold/@53.1234391,-3.19164,15z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x487acc2477e3cc3f:0x89cdc9ea33c40b05!8m2!3d53.1116279!4d-3.189991!16s%2Fm%2F03h2ybm?entry=ttu shows the area as Nercwys Forest. As can be seen on the Google Maps page, Eryrys and Nerquis are joined by Pant Du Road, which runs along the edge of the wooded area. The https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/15b00674-25e4-3ee1-aa8e-8c4a91749d35?component=519eab31-cc40-3575-8887-cca0a814b0bc web page states it has documents relating to Pant Du, East, and that the area is within the Parish of Nercwys. One of the existing files File:Algae,_Pant-du_woodland,_N_Wales,_UK,_2021._(51237924671).jpg is already in the Category:Nercwys I am confident that 'Pant-du woodland' is in fact what Google maps call 'Nercwys Forest'. I suspect the photographer chose a descriptive name, rather than a proper noun in the title of his photographs. There is a geo-location problem with some images in this category. I don't know how may yet. They have been located at a business, Pant Du Vineyard (https://www.pantdu.co.uk/en/home), which is not connected to the photographs. The name 'Coed Nercwys' is used for the area by Natural Resources, Wales (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) the largest Welsh Government Sponsored Body at their https://naturalresources.wales/days-out/places-to-visit/north-east-wales/coed-nercwys/?lang=en web page. I would suggest that 'Pant-du woodland' is substituted by 'Coed Nercwys' in all file names in this category and that the category be renamed 'Coed Nercwys' and be placed in Category:Nercwys and that all inaccurate geolocation data be removed. 92.17.90.69 18:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good detective work; I agree that you’ve got the right area. This image refers to a lake with an island in the middle, which is also seen in the north-west corner of the forest.
I wonder whether the reason the photographer didn’t use “Nercwys Forest” is that they were specifically wanting to refer to the deciduous forest to the north of the east–west road passing through the wooded area (on which the car park is located), in contrast to the coniferous forest to the south of that road. The same photographer has photos geolocated in the southern section, which are labelled as “Nercwys Forest”:
More specifically, I wouldn’t use “Coed Nercwys” because this map (page 14) shows that that Natural Resources Wales woodland only refers to the southern coniferous area, not the northern deciduous area.
If you look at this map comparing the historical and modern OS maps of the area, the northern area was known then and is known now as “Tir y Coed”, whereas the southern area is a more modern plantation (which confusingly has yet another name, “Coed Gwern-rhiw”).
Summing all that up, I nominate “Tir y Coed” (without hyphens, as per the modern map) as the renamed category. The forest is mostly in Category:Nercwys but a small part of it lies in Category:Llanferres. Dogfennydd (talk) 21:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay in responding. I've had a busy few days. If you can better identiyfy the area the go ahead with a bulk rename, but can you leave if for a day or two. I want to go though all 90 or so files and remove any geolocation data which put the woodland near Penygroes. Thanks for your input.92.17.90.69 16:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have looked at all files in this category. Only one had bad geolocation data, which I have removed. If Tir y Coed is in both Nercwys (Flintshire) and Llanferres (Denbighshire) that complicates the categorisation of the files.92.17.90.69 16:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Dogfennydd (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do the cat move and some editing of the parent categories. If someone wants to further edit the description and the parent categories, that's fine with me. - Jmabel ! talk 18:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason to retain the redirect from Category:Unidentified woodland “Pant Du” in northern Wales or can that be deleted? - Jmabel ! talk 18:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The old category can be removed, surely. Can’t think why it would be needed going forward. Thanks. Dogfennydd (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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