Category talk:Richard J. Riordan Central Library

@WhisperToMe: To the rename request: IMHO the current name of the category is more timeless and it didn't stop being apt. Shouldn't such names be preferred to specific dedications? --ŠJů (talk) 03:21, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@ŠJů: I'm not sure if the Commons has particular criteria on this, but on the English Wikipedia en:Wikipedia:Article titles#Name_changes states: "Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names"." Example is KTLA using the current name WhisperToMe (talk) 04:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: An example: we kept the category Category:Prague Ruzyně Airport here, although the offical name is "Václav Havel Airport Prague" or "Letiště Václava Havla Praha" now. However it is the only international airport in Prague, and it is in the district of Ruzyně, and the operator company of the airport is officially "Letiště Praha" (= Airport of Prague). Some Wikipedia article names follow the dedication, some do not (bg, ast, gl, nl, pt, ru, uk and many others). An extreme case are sports stadiums, which change their name every few years as the sponsor company changes. In such cases, it is advisable to prefer a more stable name, for example according to the location or the name of the sports club, if it is more stable. --ŠJů (talk) 04:31, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@ŠJů: How long would it take for a name to be stable? Riordan Library was named as such in 2001 and that was two decades ago. Unlike sports teams and sports buildings, public buildings usually are more stable name-wise I think. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: It is not just about the time of naming, but also about the nature of the name. In our country, we are used to everything being renamed with each regime change, but some types of names are more permanent than others. But it can also apply to America. The BLM can erase white men and Republicans from names, secularism can erase saints and angels, etc. And with all due respect, I think a lot more people in the world and in the US know rather where Los Angeles is than who Richard J. Riordan is. If he really founded the library and it's his heart's work, it carries more weight than if it were just named in his honor. --ŠJů (talk) 05:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@ŠJů: I see. Names of public buildings usually tend to stick around much longer in the United States and the renames of places previously named after en:Confederate States of America figures (not just "white men"), and in the case of en:San Francisco USD, even of former U.S. (union) presidents (outside of San Francisco I havent heard of this happening) are a once in a generation thing. Also in cases taking the new name is unavoidable: While Robert E. Lee High School in Houston was known as such for most of its life (it opened 1960), it is now known as Wisdom High School since the rename, reflected in reliable sources, so the Commons cat should use Wisdom High. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)