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Transcriptions

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Transcriptions (now on main page)
ep. time script transcription Esperanto English rem.
1-01 03:30 JOTANOM RAWK WATNA Antaŭ kvar monatoj Four months ago
1-02 01:01 JOTANOM IRT WATNA Antaŭ tri monatoj Three months ago
1-02 02:29 OJAZAKO GIGNITSE Estingig-okazaĵo Full extinction event [1][2]
1-03 26:33 OKISKEM-WON
JOTANOM RAWK WATNA 		Nov-Meksiko
Antaŭ kvar monatoj		 Four months ago
New Mexico
1-03 42:14 OKISKEM-WON NE EI Ie en Nov-Meksiko Somewhere in New Mexico
1-05 00:52 OKROJWON
JORAJ NIWK WATNA 		Novjorko
Antaŭ kvin jaroj		 Five Years Ago
New York City
1-05 03:55 OPMETNWN Nuntempo Present Day
1-06 00:55 JORAJ 05 WATNA
ONJAM 		Antaŭ 50 jaroj
Majno		 50 Years Ago
Maine
1-06 06:30 JOTANOM RAWK WATNA Antaŭ kvar monatoj Four Months Ago
1-06 40:54 ONJAMES WNW WATNA
OKISKEM-WON 		Antaŭ unu semajno
Nov-Meksiko		 One Week Ago
New Mexico
1-06 43:36 OPMETNWN Nuntempo Present Day
1-07 27:20 OKISKEM-WON
JONJAMES WD WATNA 		Nov-Meksiko
Antaŭ du semajnoj		 Two Weeks Ago
New Mexico
1-10 02:10 EWATNA JOTANOM NIWK Kvin monatoj antaŭe Five Months Ago [3]
2-03 01:08 OCNEICAP ED JOTNOMAL
JORAJ 42 WATNA 		La montoj de Pacienco
Antaŭ 24 jaroj		 The Mountains of Patience
24 Years Ago 		[4]
2-03 34:52 OKISKEM-WON ORROCOS Socorro, Nov-Meksiko Socorro, New Mexico
2-04 20:02 ODAROLOK PWSSEJ Jessup, Kolorado Jessup, Colorado
2-04 29:01 X
Y
Z 		X
Y
Z 		[5]
2-04 43:40 2120670142 212-067-0142 [6]
2-05 00:56 CD ONOTGNISAW
JORAJ 5 WATNA 		Vaŝingtono DC
Antaŭ 5 jaroj		 Washington, DC
5 Years Ago
2-06 00:55 JOTANOM 6 WATNA Antaŭ 6 monatoj 6 Months Ago
2-06 17:27 OTAILOG Goliato Goliath [7]
2-07 01:23 OLIZARB ORABRA AICAN SOJAPAT
JORAJ 33 WATNA 		Tapaĵos Nacia Arbaro, Brazilo
Antaŭ 33 jaroj		 Tapajos National Forest, Brazil
33 Years Ago
2-07 08:12 CD5×S× ? [8]
2-07 12:43 OTAILOG Goliato Goliath [7]


Remarks

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  1. ↑ Poor translation into Esperanto. A more faithful and sophisticated wording would be "Plenestingkaŭza evento". -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  2. ↑ Hyphen replaced by space in the Alien script version; in correct Esperanto, hyphens can be replaced only by nil, never by a word-bounday space. (The Alien script does include an hyphen equivalent, though, as seen elsewhere.) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  3. ↑ Although the English original follows the same pattern of all other chronological indications («[number] [timeunits] Ago»), here the Esperanto translation is nuanced to mean not just «five months ago», presumed to mean not five months before the present, but rather five months before — i.e. before the time of the preceding analepsis. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  4. ↑ Missing space: *"Lamontoj" instead of "La Montoj". -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  5. ↑ Uncertain, no translation is given: only the last letter is confirmedly "Z", the other two are inferred based on context and the fact that these glyphs didn’t show elsewhere (esperanto doesn’t use "X" nor "Y" normally). Next to each letter there is a line of digits, scrolling horizontally (not transcribed here): some are already known ("0", "2", "4", and "5") others are inferrable; there separate distinctive glyphs for what seems to be other kinds of digits: these might be higher power above the single-digit range, but that seems to contradict previously known multi-digit numbers ("42"=24, "05"=50), where simple position/order determines base power value. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  6. ↑ Digit order would be swapped if inferred from "42"=24 and "05"=50 as in previous episodes, however it is indentified as «a phone number. From New York City.» NANP 212 is indeed one of the NYC area codes, while NANP 241 is not even in use. The full number, incl. thitherto unattested digits 6 and 7, is confirmed in ep.2-05 at timestamp 03:05. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  7. ↑ a b Uncaptioned. The synonym "Goljato" is usually preferred in Esperanto. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 16:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
  8. ↑ Writing on the alien ship as shown in Government photos (thitherto unseen in the series), uncaptioned: the character between "S" and "5" is likely one (more) of the non-letters seen before, in 2-04 @ 29:01; the first (rightmost) character is very likely a letter (it is shaped shaped like a flopped "A" without the vertical stroke), almost certainly either "F" or "H", since "Q" is not used in regular Esperanto and all other letters are already accounted for. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 06:00, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Interpretation

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The alphabet is equivalent to the Esperanto alphabet without capitals, diacritics or a distinction between u and v. The letters b, f, h are unattested as of s02e05. Attested digits are decimal 0, 2, 4, 5. Attested punctuation is the word space and a hyphen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwamikagami (talk • contribs) 2022-03-02T00:06:21 (UTC)

I caracterized the situation in the description as it makes sense. If you wanna mess it the matter up by mentioning unrelated stuff, go ahead. But be aware of the well known fact that Esperanto diacritics are so only typographically, and when writing Esperanto with what amounts to a substitution cypher script, it’s beside the point, especially since in the case of *"Ʋ" the conflation is not only "u"="ŭ" but also ="v". -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 06:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? I don't know what that's supposed to mean. You state the obvious as if you expect me to disagree, and I can't tell what "the description" refers to. Kwamikagami (talk) 07:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The description I added at File:Resident Alien e01 3m30 'Four Months Ago.png#Summary. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:29, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, no biggy. I see you didn’t notice it. I was just a bit ticked off because for you apparently ignoring my take and doing a comparatively poor job of describing the situation all over again.
Meanwhile, digits for 8 and 9 are missing but easly deducible (presuming base 10, which is not straightforward: “Harry” has 4 fingers in each hand, after all!), "B", "F", and "H" are still unattested (presuming "W" doesn’t exist as a separate letter), and there’s all those additional digit/number symbols from ep. 2-04 @ 29:01.
-- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What I said above, more succinctly since it was just a note on a file talk page and didn't need to be precise: A note that we're missing b, f, h and some digits. Hard to see why that would tick you off.
6 and 7 are derived by removing 1 and 2 strokes from 5, so we can ID 8 and 9 in the transmission in s02e04. Can't tell if the other symbols are compound digits, like circles adding some power of 10, or if they're just decorative. Yeah, weird for them to have base-10, but I don't think much thought was put into this. Presumably the script had the phrases written out in English and the director told whoever was in charge of the language/script to make up something for them. If a place name appeared in their Eo dict, they used that, otherwise they just transliterated the English. For the transmission, maybe the script had rows X Y Z with "a bunch of data", so they could have invented symbols for the decades and still rendered 24 as 2-4 because they blindly copied from the script for time periods. Or they might be higher powers of 10, or something else entirely. Kwamikagami (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, this isn't "your discussion page." Your comments are your comments, but tables of factual data can be edited by anyone, and should be trimmed of cruft. Kwamikagami (talk) 09:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly undo your edit and reinstate my signed comments. Kindly acknowledge that I said «my comment in a talk page», and not *«my discussion page», as you misquoted. This is a final warning before AN/U. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 09:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Final warning"? Really? Against "vandalism"? For correcting errors and cleaning up prose?
Apologies, you did say "your comment." But it wasn't your comment: It was a note on a table of factual claims. You don't create tables and then add your sig to them to claim ownership. But the table belongs on the main page anyway, so let's have both. Kwamikagami (talk) 09:29, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What main page?! What «prose»?! This is Commons, not Wikipedia! Get a grip, man. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 09:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I came back to report that we now have B, only to see that you're apparently a troll. Never mind. Kwamikagami (talk) 07:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While I’m certainly not a troll, in any definition of the word, I’m at a loss for words to qualify your behaviour concerning this and other past interactions. May you persist and others, less charitable, might find both words and effective means to deal with your name-calling and other anti-social behaviour. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 15:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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