Category talk:Images by Eugène Cattin
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Oui, la contribution une bonne idée, mais des centaines de photos d'hommes et de femmes anonymes? Je ne comprends pas l'utilité ou le besoin pour une encyclopédie d'avoir des photos pareilles... Oaktree b (talk) 04:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b: (and @Micha: - who was involved in the upload). Well, Wikimedia Commons is a database of freely usable media that doesn't only serve our encyclopedia, Wikipedia. There might be other meaningful uses for the (indeed many) images of anonymous people. For example, researchers might be interested in the clothing style (and, appropriately described/categorized, an image such as File:ArCJ - 1 femme, 1 garçon - 137 J 2085 a.tif might even be of use for a Wikipedia article, not about the people in the image, but their dress). There are interesting details in many images. Take the bicycle in File:ArCJ - 1 homme, 2 femmes - 137 J 1948 a.tif or the tiles in File:ArCJ - 2 hommes - 137 J 139 b.tif... and finally, the images might be interesting to artists. Gestumblindi (talk) 20:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- True. And I think it is difficult to estimate the usage in future. We don't write only biographs about well-known people. For Wikipedia such pictures are usable because we link from articles to categories and that pictures gives a good example for the people of Jura some decades ago for example. But Commons is not only the media repository for Wikipedia, there are other projects too. So we don't know the future and then it is good to have a good variety of pictures. --Micha (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Micha: Agreed. In this context, some questions regarding categorization. There are some difficulties. According to your post in German Wikipedia's "Kurier", Cattin was active as a photographer between 1900 and 1930 ("fotografierte aber während seiner Freizeit in den Jahren zwischen 1900 und 1930 viele alltägliche Gegebenheiten"). So I suppose we could categorize all his photographs of people under Category:20th-century people of Switzerland. I'd like to narrow this down, but it seems that in many cases it's hard to determine even the decade, and there's no category for "between 1900 and 1930". Then, there's the "canton question": Should we categorize these photos under Category:People of the canton of Jura or Category:People of the canton of Bern? When the photos were taken, it was in the canton of Bern, and many of the people in the photos probably didn't live to see the independence of the canton of Jura in 1979. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:11, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Archives cantonales jurassiennes: Thank you for the answers you have been giving to Oaktree and for the further discussion. Regarding the categorizing question, I don't know if such a category already exist or should be created but you could image to let the canton question beside and to have a "Category:People in les Franches-Montagnes" or something similar. But to give a non biased answer we don't think that the pictures should be categorized as "people from canton Bern" because the battle opposing Jura and Bern has its origins already in 1815 and continued until 1978. So in the beginning of the 20th century, the people living in les Franches-Montagnes would certainly have been offended to be called "from Bern" because they were already searching to be liberated from Canton Bern. ArCJ (talk)16:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Micha: Agreed. In this context, some questions regarding categorization. There are some difficulties. According to your post in German Wikipedia's "Kurier", Cattin was active as a photographer between 1900 and 1930 ("fotografierte aber während seiner Freizeit in den Jahren zwischen 1900 und 1930 viele alltägliche Gegebenheiten"). So I suppose we could categorize all his photographs of people under Category:20th-century people of Switzerland. I'd like to narrow this down, but it seems that in many cases it's hard to determine even the decade, and there's no category for "between 1900 and 1930". Then, there's the "canton question": Should we categorize these photos under Category:People of the canton of Jura or Category:People of the canton of Bern? When the photos were taken, it was in the canton of Bern, and many of the people in the photos probably didn't live to see the independence of the canton of Jura in 1979. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:11, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- True. And I think it is difficult to estimate the usage in future. We don't write only biographs about well-known people. For Wikipedia such pictures are usable because we link from articles to categories and that pictures gives a good example for the people of Jura some decades ago for example. But Commons is not only the media repository for Wikipedia, there are other projects too. So we don't know the future and then it is good to have a good variety of pictures. --Micha (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Archives cantonales jurassiennes and Micha: Well, I think a Category:People of the Franches-Montagnes (or "in the Franches-Montagnes"?) could be a used for a Solomonic approach: Sort the images into that category, and sort the category under the cantons of Jura and Berne. We already have a Category:Franches-Montagnes (district), it could be a subcategory there? Or are some images of people outside the present-day district of Franches-Montagnes? Gestumblindi (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2016 (UTC)