Category talk:Ewa Błachnio

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In order not to start a real edit war, I'm replying here to Odder's remarks in the last edit summary.

• Apparently, multilingual software isn't used (for at least 4 years) in commons (and neither in en.wikipedia or de.wikipedia). So, if we want commons users to find a name at the place in a category listing where they are searching for it, we should use Ascii-only sort keys. I guess you don't want to conceal Ewa Błachnio from the users, do you? However, most people won't search for her after By... and Bz... entries.
• I tried to find a particular commons policy w.r.t. sort keys. Searching for 'sort' in the Commons:Editor's index to Commons, I found a link to en:Help:Sorting, which linked to en:Wikipedia:Categorization#Sort keys. From this linking, I conclude that the commons sort key policy is the same as that of en.wikipedia. Commons:Language policy has a clear bias towards Englush, but doesn't mention sort keys explicitly. Neither does Commons:Localization.

- Jochen Burghardt (talk) 15:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Jochen Burghardt: You are right, that Commons does not sort such things correctly, but Odder is also right, in that the software supports it. The feature (the unicode collation algorithm) has simply not been enabled on Commons.

The 'accepted practice' here, however, has been to include the non-ascii characters in the sort keys... this is obvious from looking at categories such as Category:People by name, which are all broken.

Instead of mangling the sort keys, we need to simply get a community consensus to ask the devs to turn it on here.. @Kaldari: just verified that it's now technically possible, unt that people objected the last time it was proposed. This needs to be taken up with the community, to fix the software issue instead of mangling the sortkeys.... FWIW, replacing ł with l will not produce correct sorting either, they are not the same letter. Revent^talk 22:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the information. I'll stop mangling sort keys and wait for the improved software. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, UCA sorting is now available for Commons. If there is consensus to enable it, I would be happy to turn it on and regenerate the sort keys in the database. Personally, I think it would be super useful for Commons, since it's a multilingual project, i.e. you would no longer need to hack everything with custom defaultsort keys. Kaldari (talk) 22:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)