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• [2006-05-31T22:30:26Z] Black and White ('''{{PAGENAME}}''' == Summary == {{main|United States territorial acquisitions}} This image depicts the United States' historic acquisitions of territories, such as the Thirteen Colonies, the Louisiana Purchase, British and Spanish Cession, and so on. =)
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United States Territorial Acquisitions
== Summary ==

{{main|United States territorial acquisitions}}
This image depicts the United States' historic acquisitions of territories, such as the Thirteen Colonies, the Louisiana Purchase, British and Spanish Cession, and so on.
=== Errors ===
This map uses incorrect terms in that Great Britain didn't exist as a political entity in 1818 or 1846, having been superseded by the United Kingdom following the Act of Union with Ireland in 1801. ([[User:Hewstep|Hewstep]] 20:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)) The map shows a portion of the [[Isle of Orleans]] as part of the [[Republic of West Florida|West Florida]] (Spanish Cession) [[1819]], but the area south of [[Lake Pontchartrain]] and east of the Amite River were part of the [[Louisiana Purchase]] [[1803]] (from France).
== Licensing ==
This image was converted from a .JPG image, [[:Image:Us historic territories.jpg]] and retouched by [[User:Black and White]]. It was originally from the National Atlas of the United States.
=== Tags ===

{{PD-USGov-Atlas}}

Poccil 00:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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kind of nitpicking... the full name of the country was The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

It's not nitpicking: the difference is the independence of Ireland. --Juiced lemon 08:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

What's going on with the "Corrections To The Errors Section (above)" section on the image tag?

The comments left by Joe Hepperle don't make a lot of sense to me. "Great Britain" was not the full name of the political entity, but then neither is "the United Kingdom" the full name of the current one. That doesn't make it wrong to refer simply to "the United Kingdom", and so neither is it wrong to refer to the 1707-1801 state as simply "Great Britain". After all, it's not wrong to refer to today's Italian Republic as "Italy". I'm British, if that makes any difference, and I would never say "Kingdom of Great Britain" unless extreme precision were required. Historical atlases just use terms like "ceded by Great Britain" and I think that's fine here too. mind you, the other complainant is correct that it should be "United Kingdom" for anything from 1801 onwards. Loganberry (Talk) 19:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Limited detail and incomplete

This map does not include minor boundary adjustments. It includes some but not all territories listed in Territorial changes of the United States. See also: Category:International territorial disputes of the United States, both in the English Wikipedia. Davidwr (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Map area, “Territory of the Original Thirteen States (Ceded by Great Britain) 1783,” is inaccurate

Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, West Florida

The map contains a boundary line for the “Territory of the Original Thirteen States (Ceded by Great Britain) 1783.” However, the map is inaccurate in this regard.

(1) Vermont was not part of the territory of the original 13 states, even though New York and New Hampshire had claims. It was not one of the "13 colonies" and was independent as the Vermont Republic from 1777 (after its own declaration of independence from Britain) to 1791, when it became a state.

(2) The territory of West Florida came under British rule in 1763. Britain enlarged the territory by moving its northern border further north into existing British territory, so as to re-align a large part of the current area of Mississippi and Alabama. Britain ceded West Florida to Spain in the 1783 Treaty of Paris. Spain insisted on the British boundary; the U.S. and Georgia claimed the boundary should be the old pre-1763 boundary. With the implementation of Pinckney's Treaty between Spain and the U.S. in 1795, this extended area north of the old 1763 boundary of West Florida became undisputed territory of the U.S. The point is that, at the very least, in 1783 this area was in dispute about whether it was part of the territory of the original 13 states.

(3) The Treaty of Paris in 1783 left the northern boundary of Maine with Quebec/New Brunswick in dispute, with Great Britain claiming the northern part of Maine. Also, the border between New Hampshire and Quebec was imprecisely defined. The New Hampshire ambiguity led to the self-declared independence of the small Republic of Indian Stream in the 1830s. Finally both of these disputes were settled by the Webster-Ashburton Treaty in 1842. The point is that a large area of Maine claimed by the U.S. in 1783 did not end up as Maine, and the disputed area was not a definite part of the territory of the original 13 states in 1783.

Jeff in CA (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

• Some comments:

(1) While there is some local history that may make Vermonters proud, it's generally understood that the land that became the state of Vermont was claimed by both New York and New Hampshire. Changing the map would be injecting a minority point of view.

(2) You have a good point. A better map would have the northern sliver marked "Treaty with Spain, 1795." References to support this treaty will be required before updating the map.

(3) Good point, the areas that were not clearly recognized as American before 1842 should be marked as "Treaty with Great Britain, 1842." Again, references will be required.

In all 3 cases, if the scale of the map makes the newly-added areas too small to be visible, then it's reasonable to skip them entirely, as this map only shows the major border changes. Other minor changes such as the Boundary Treaty of 1970 with Mexico are not shown.

In any case, since this map is copied from an existing source, if a new version is created it should be given a new filename in the Commons.

Davidwr (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois etc. etc.

Apart from problems discussed above, it seems to me that the titling “Territory of the Original Thirteen States (Ceded by Great Britain) 1783” for that large brown area on the map is incorrect.
See discussion in: English Wikipedia, File Talk, US Territorial Acquisitions--Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.. --Corriebertus (talk) 12:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Recommend reverting to 2006 version of the file

This image is explicitly listed as a copy of a public-domain image from the National Atlas of the United States. It should stay that way, without modification.

In addition, the original image does use a different color for Puerto Rico than Mexico and Cuba.

There is a need for an improved map, but this map, under this name, should either remain as-is or the file should be deleted and a totally new file uploaded, one that does not claim to be a copy of an existing, published map.

I will contact the uploader in the hopes he will revert the change. If he does not, but does not object, I will revert it sometime after June 20. Davidwr (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Already reverted. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)