File talk:Fake image claiming to be Ottoman official teasing Armenian starved children by showing bread, 1915.jpg

 

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Hmm. According to Jeremy Salt, the man in this photo should not be a "Turk official". I added {{Fact disputed}}. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 22:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Jeremy Salt is not a scholar whose authority is recognised among reliable Armenian Genocide scholars. On top, both above-mentioned sources are not reliable (a blog, and a center which is quite known for what it can produce - and not for the quality of it). Sorry, but the template is abusive. Sardur (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

As long as I know, the website of Genocide Museum is not perfect. For example, AHMED SHUKRU BEY in this website is a different person. Takabeg (talk) 22:57, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

And? what is the link with this file and its depiction?

The photograph was included as such in books published by Gérard Chaliand and Yves Ternon (Éditions Complexe), and Donald Bloxham (Oxford University Press), i.e. 3 serious scholars, who are specialised on the Armenian Genocide and recognised by their peers, and 2 reknown publishing houses.

On the other hand, according to Taner Akçam (another serious scholar, specialised in this area and recognised by his peers), Jeremy Salt is "well known for (his) denialist position and works regarding the genocide of 1915".

Sardur (talk) 06:37, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

THE SAGA SURROUNDING A FORGED PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE ERA OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DEMONIZING AND VILIFYING A "CRUEL TURKISH OFFICIAL": A PART OF "THE REST OF THE STORY" Takabeg (talk) 07:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

In such a case, it would be interesting to see what is the "new caption intended to constitute a "more effective rejoinder to the forger than silently dropping [the photo]..."". Sardur (talk) 09:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Sardur, I have the pleasure to follow your great work on the french WP, editing articles that are almost only about Armenians or Turkey. You are good watcher, that is undeniable. But, you are quoting Ternon, who is not a historian but a medecine doctor who got a history degree by writing about history of medecine... He then became a well paid "genocide historian", writing almost only about armenian genocide.

Taner Akçam is worse, his methodology is totaly biased and false as shown here. Anyway, the fact those people used the picture in their books before it was proven to be a fake doesn't meen mistaked don't have to be corrected. They just fell in the trap and got mistaked. Happens. That would be idiotic to keep on WP something that is proven to be a forgery. --LosPollosHermanos (talk) 19:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

That is but your opinion, which is as useless as mine.

Btw, you're wrong: Ternon is an historian (doctor in history at Paris IV-Sorbonne, with a thesis on genocides in the 20th century).

Sardur (talk) 21:08, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Please take off this photo. It should be an age restriction of 18+ for watching kids dying this way.

Regardless if it's fake or not: This image of dying kids should not appear with no age restriction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.240.177.136 (talk • contribs)

Not a good contribution

Delete this file. Certainly this picture is not a "good" contribution. I personally have no doubts that the person pictured there is not a Turk. (Arguments have been written by several people in several places about this.) I have serious doubts this picture is here for innocent reasons. Firstly, "Turk official", is not good English, sounds like someone wanted to stress the word "Turk". (Possibly the people who "made" this photo originally had the same in mind. Alas...) Secondly, "Ottoman official" (Ottoman Empire ended officially in 1922-23) is not correct either; those who made up this photo even forgot to put a "fez" on the head of the "Ottoman" official. This is a propaganda piece, this is why I did not make a "move" request to change the title of the file. This file makes WP look less convincing than it already is, for many people around the world. The picture is "made up" and everybody who knows a little about Turkey and the Turks can see that easily. Ask the millions of refugees since medieval times that sought refuge in Turkey; the Turks don't tease people with bread, they always share their bread. As simple as that. Thanks for reading. --E4024 (talk) 15:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Lotje (talk · contribs) is intrigued by this image and its description and will try to find out what this is really is all about. Thank you for your patience. Lotje (talk) 07:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

We have had more than enough patience with irredentist Armenian diaspora lobbies and their falsifications. Continue with your research. Maybe you will also find some falsified telegrams from a century ago... Read carefully what I write now: If Turkey were not also a country (home) for Armenians, I mean if we did not care for their feelings, the feelings of thousands of Turkish citizens of Armenian ethnicity or origin, like Aunt Hrantui (Hrantuş Teyze, ellerinizden öpüyorum), or the late Artin Penik (R.I.P.), and also those of the tens of thousands of Armenians who came from our neighbour Armenia to Turkey for a better life and settled in our country, we could have a different attitude everywhere, including here in WP. Note that I have not even asked to rename this file to "Ottoman official" from "Turk official" (sic). (How do we detect which Ottoman is a Turk, or a "Turkish official"; I guess the bad guys are Turks, and the good ones are either Greeks or Armenians. Oh my!..) This is a falsification, full stop. --E4024 (talk) 08:14, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

You forgot to mention they settled in your country before the region was occupied (actually, before your country even existed). oopsi :) --Sargoth (talk) 09:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)