File talk:Sprachen Europas 1990.png

See also

• Inaccurate
• Extremly wrong
• Good map but many errors

Extremly wrong

This map is EXTREMELY wrong. Please correct it or remove it. It is incredibly flawed - possibly one of the most flawed maps I've seen. Northern Serbia has a majority of SERBIAN speakers, not HUNGARIAN speakers. Half of northern Romania does not speak ROMANIAN? It speaks RUSSIAN and UKRAINIAN?? No comment!! It is beyond words. Southeastern Romania speaks BULGARIAN?? Western Italy speaks FRENCH?? Franco-Provencal maybe, but French?? Dobrogea region in Romania speaks TURKISH? Which has 2.7% Turkish population? As well as the city of Focsani?? This is unbelievable! Sardinia, which is part of France, does not speak FRENCH at all? It speaks only SARDINIAN? Only 2/3 of Macedonia speaks MACEDONIAN? The rest speaks TURKISH?? Eastern Poland speaks UKRAINIAN?? Please, either fix or simply remove this map! It's extremely misleading. en:User:Mirc mirc

If you mean to make the point that this map is unsourced, you are right. It appears it depicts the situation of about 1950, and even then it appears to exaggerate minority languages, if they are "ancestral". Obviously, nowhere in Russia is there a Tatar majority. Russians are the majority everywhere. The map still opts to display the distribution of Tatars. Romania: see Minorities in Romania, Image:Hungarians in Romania.png, Crimean Tatars in Romania; Italy: see Savoy; Serbia: see demographics of Serbia, Image:Serbia ethnic02.png; I do see the map has issues, but I still think it is excellent. It just should make plain its sources, and its approach to minorities. This discussion should be on commons:Image talk:Sprachen Europas 1990.png, from where this map is derived. dab (𒁳) 07:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if the discussion is in the wrong place. I do understand that this map is from probably a long time ago in Europe. But this means it is outdated, and not to be used to depict the actual situation of Europe. If the map represents the current distribution of European languages, then: a) the Serbian minorities are extremely exaggerated here, except for Kosovo. b) As for Romanian minorities, well, they are a majority only in the regions of Harghita and Covasna, while this map shows a lot more. And there is absolutely no place in Romania where the Germans are a majority, or even close to one. Same with Russia. And can you please explain me what's with northern Romania speaking Russian and Ukrainian??? That's incredibly wrong. See: Image:RO_Minor.png c) Also I don't think Romanians extend this far east in Ukraine. And the Russians + Lipovans make up 0.17% of the population of Romania, being concentrated in the Tulcea county. Fact: there are no Russians living in central northern Romania. Not even 0.1% of the population. Why does this map show Russian spoken there? I believe this map shouldn't be used in the "demography of Europe" or any other article showing the current distribution of languages in Europe, but only maybe in articles that show the historic distribution of European languages, though minorities are exaggerated even if we go by that... Mirc mirc 10:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

This map is inaccurate. In Greece it shows Turkish as being spoken in areas where it isn't and fails to show it as being spoken in the areas where it is. It shows a massive Bulgarian-Macedonian-speaking area in Albania which doesn't and never did exist, but reduces the large Albanian-speaking areas in Kosovo and Macedonia (FYROM) to less than half their real size. Also, as it's showing the ethnic divide in Cyprus as it is today I doubt it's depicting the situation as it was before the 1970s, however this conflicts with its description of Brittany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NetProfit (talk • contribs) 17:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

this map is very valuable as such, but it does have issues, in that it exaggerates linguistic minorities, and doesn't cite any sources. We should add caveats to this effect until somebody can be bothered to fix it. The map is still clearly good enough to beat having no map at all. Covering all of Europe, it's regional resolution is necessarily limited. Dbachmann 17:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mircmirc, YES! There are some parts of northern Serbia that has a hungarian majority and so has Romania. Sardinia is NOT the part of France at all :P . But to be a bit more general: there is a very important rule if you draw an ethnic map, the rule of the minorities. On the demographic maps it's very important to sign the minorities that are not the nation of the country even if they do not reach the 50% of the local population. If you do not accept this rule the little celtic or finno-ugric languages or very important historical minority groups can not be seen (e.g.: gaelic language, mari language, german speaking lands in Romania and in France etc.) This languages or minority groups can be small (e.g. livonian language in Latvia), or very large (e.g. Komi language) but when making a ethnic map the very point is just to indicate these groups. Einstein442 (talk) 13:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Not a very professional map

Have you ever heard of a language called "Finish"? Poor you, if you have. Double "n", if you didn't catch the message already. --213.186.247.54 16:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Caucasian

Hi! Georgian is not related to Chechen/Ingush/Abkhaz. Chechen, Ingush and Abkhaz belong to Sino-Caucasian macrofamily while Georgian is a separate one.--Nxx 07:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, please... I hope the "Sino-Caucasian" part was a joke. Please let's not get Nostratic here. But you're right nonetheless. "Caucasian" should be divided into Northeast Caucasian (Chechen, Ingush, Avar, Tsez, etc.), Northwest Caucasian (Abkhaz, Adyghe, etc.) and South Caucasian (Georgian, Svan, Mingrelian, etc.). — N-true

Sino-Caucasian combines Sino-Tibetan and North Caucasian.--Nxx 13:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Please add references to the map

There are tons of errors with the map. Someone should look up censuses. 131.215.169.134 07:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Undistinguishable colours

Please add numbers/letters to the colour key, the differences between the hues are very slight. It makes it virtually impossible to actually tell which language is indicated on the map. --stas

Reddit

See reddittors' comment on inaccuracies. 203.158.89.10 10:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

UK official languages

Corrections concerning north of UK on the map - Gaelic is not the same language as Irish so should not be the same colour. Scots is also spoken accross the southern region of Scotland and Northern Ireland, so should be added.

The language of Corsica is French.

Serbian language, Bosnian language and Croatian language are independet languages

Serbo-Croatian is not language, the is a group an independent languages: Croatian language, Bosnian language, Serbian language and Montenegrin language.

Language code: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php

Modern Slavic languages : http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=292-16

Modern dialects map in Europe: http://www.muturzikin.com/carteseurope/europe.htm

European clanguages clases: http://www.gradebook.org/European%20Language%20Classes.htm

Indo-European languages: http://www.danshort.com/ie/iesatem.htm http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=2-16

New<http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2010-11-07/14974/_Croatian_to_become_24th_official_EU_language>EU official languages: http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2010-11-07/14974/_Croatian_to_become_24th_official_EU_language

RANG LANGUAGES http://www.translated.net/en/languages-that-matter

Language in Europe: http://languagesofeurope.co.uk/Languagesmap.thumb.jpg

In Croatia, the Croatian language : http://www.dzs.hr/hrv/censuses/census2001/Popis/H01_02_03/H0 Official and national language: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/locales/Croatia-Croatian_Date.pdf Different Croatian and Serbian languages: http://www.nsk.hr/UserFiles/File/Slu%C5%BEeno%20prihva%C4%87anje%20izmjena%20ISO%20639-2%20Registration%20Authority.pdf Indo-European languages: http://www.danshort.com/ie/iesatem.htm http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=2-16 European languages: http://languagesofeurope.co.uk/Languagesmap.thumb.jpg http://www.gradebook.org/European%20Language%20Classes.htm http://lh5.ggpht.com/__mfxoFPOJUU/SgiUo0aV-EI/AAAAAAAABfU/a0rb6wYMhg8/European+languages.gif http://www.hudsonfla.com/europeannames.jpg http://www.google.hr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.widespread-idioms.uni-trier.de/pix/addfueltotheflames.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.widespread-idioms.uni-trier.de/%3Fp%3Dkarten%26lang%3Den&usg=__4yr06RRBmMkgj838B04j8zSZ2g8=&h=890&w=1096&sz=577&hl=hr&start=172&sig2=DQghN9QgMkWFrn4SX_r2LA&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=B52BOlqM3YYArM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlanguages%2Bin%2Beurope%26start%3D160%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dhr%26sa%3DN%26sout%3D1%26ndsp%3D20%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D602%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=12q3TN6kLMfMswbYkpWuBg Modern Slavic languages: http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=292-16 http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Slavic_languages.png/350px-Slavic_languages.png http://languagesofeurope.co.uk/Languagesmap.thumb.jpg

The one good thing about this map is that it doesn't separate Serbo-Croatian. The various standards are no more different than, say, American and British English. You can come with all kinds of 'sources' calling these separate languages, but these are (ultimately) influenced by petty nationalist sentiments. --JorisvS (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I see no Scots

Scots appears to be absent from the map as well. Wōdenhelm (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Mistakes

I do not have the time to search for all the mistakes, but at the first sight it is obvious, that Occitan, Francoprovencial (which is, according to the explanation, marked in the same colour as Catalan, unfortunately only Catalan is marked in that colour), Low Saxon (also called "Low German"), are missing, simply missing.

Likewise, the High German languages that are distinct from Standard German and most of the languages of Italy are missing. Furthermore, many languages are colored together, with notably entire language families with the same color (Turkic, several Uralic, Indo-Iranian) and even multiple language families (Kartvelian, Northwest Caucasian, and Northeast Caucasian). --JorisvS (talk) 11:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

The mistake is that the color for Catalan (mit Franco-Provinzialisch) only indicates the extent of Catalan! What about Occitan (the whole dialectal family to which Franco-Provençal belongs to)?, it should appear on this map as it's a distinct language. --Il Qathar (talk) 17:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)