File talk:Piktograf1.png

  Are we sure this is public domain? The mere fact that the original was created in the 16th century does not automatically make it so: this looks like a modern sketch of the original, not a reproduction, and as such it may well be under copyright.

Bigger resolution?

The image is a mere 300x400 so it's hard to see what's going on. The URL points to a dead website. :(--TZubiri (talk) 00:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Misleading description and poor quality image

This low quality image has nothing to do with "telling a story of coming of missionaries to Hispaniola" nor is it a Taíno document as many of the pages on which it is used assert. Rather, it is copied from a "testarian" catechism made by missionaries in New Spain (i.e., México) to teach Christian doctrine as a part of evangelization efforts among Indigenous communities there. See, for example: Libro de oraciones, Biblioteca Nacional de Antropología e Historia, Dr. Eusebio Dávalos Hurtado inv. 10-163080 I recommend deleting the file entirely. --Alammana (talk) 20:00, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

 

The image description is Misleading

I agree with Alammana about the misleading information. I have knowledge on this subject, and this picture is a sketch from a missionary book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testerian_catechisms.

one of the original drawing is in commons File:3.- DCCCLXXIX.0001 - Catecismo Testeriano o Tasteriano c 1524.tif

method

• I contacted the original user who uploaded this image. Piotrus (see Talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Piotrus&oldid=1136512417)
• He said he uploaded the image 15 years ago, and he got it from a polish magazine, unsourced
• I found the broken link to the original article: https://histmag.org/Historia-komunikacji-od-mowy-do-Internetu-744

It appears the author of the original article is Piotr Konieczny, who IS wikipedia User Piotrus (see user page). I do not doubt the good faith of Piotrus, who may have got the image from somewhere else.

Unfortunately, year after year, this image (and story) became viral. It is used a many countries (school programms) to tell the story of the encounter between missionaries and people from hispaniola, drawn by the Tainos. A google search shows that many website misleadingly use it.

suggestions I recommend either deletion but or that the caption/description is updated.

A few days ago,

• I removed the false image pieces of information ("circa 1510", "Encounter between missionary and locals", "hispaniola")
• I manually edited all erroneous wikipedia interlinks to this image where necessary, or changed the caption the most accurately if possible.

I suggest writing an article about this hoax, due to the large dissemination of this image and story

Ospeleo (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Update:

I finally found the original source of this image:

"Carolyn S Dean, praying with pictures a reading of the Libro de oraciones

journal of latin american lore 15, 2 1989 211-273".

I contacted her, and she told me she redrew it from a Testarian manuscript: Libro de oraciones, 16th century, available in the library of the Museo Nacional de Antropología in Mexico Ospeleo (talk) 08:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

False description of the image. Proposed Deletion

Since my previous post, I received an answer from the "Mediateca INAH" (National Institute of Anthropology and History of Mexico) who sent me a picture of the original document that was copied by Dr Carolyn S Dean.

I ask for the file deletion, since it is misleading/false

The original document (CC-BY-ND) was uploaded on wikimedia

 Ospeleo (talk) 18:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)