File talk:Mother and daughter liberated from Bergen-Belsen train - 1945-04 - Clarence L. Benjamin.jpg
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@Pigsonthewing, regarding my reverted edit, technically, the people in the photo are still "victims", because "death" is not a defining criteria of victimhood. A "scam victim" is someone who "survived" a scam, yet, they are considered a "victim". So, even if those people survived, they were nonetheless victims of racial violence by the Nazis. Nakonana (talk) 19:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- You added Category:Child Holocaust victims. That is a subcategory of Category:Murders of children and Category:Holocaust victims; the latter is a sub-category of Category:Deaths from massacres. Who in the picture was murdered? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I can absolutely see where you are coming from, however, this image is also in the Category:Holocaust trains, which is a sub-...-sub-category of the Category:The Holocaust, which then again is a sub-category of Category:Genocide and mass murder in World War II, but as you said: nobody was murdered in this image. Does that mean that the Holocaust Train-category should be removed from the image, too?
Furthermore, there are less ambiguous category names on this topic, such as Category:People selected to die in the Auschwitz Album, Category:Deaths in Bergen-Belsen, Category:Polish people who died in Nazi concentration camps, Category:People murdered by Nazi Germany in the Gas chambers, Category:People executed by Nazi Germany by [insert method of execution], where it is crystal-clear that it is reserved for fatal casualties and not "just any victims of Bergen-Belsen". There's even the Category:Deaths in Auschwitz-Birkenau, which is different from the Category:Victims of Auschwitz concentration camp. And for the Category:Holocaust victims we have - aside from the Child Holocaust Victims sub-category - the sub-categories Category:Jewish people killed in the Holocaust (specifically saying "killed") and Category:Warsaw Ghetto Uprising captives (specifically implying "not killed" - just "captured").
Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine with putting the image in the Category:Children in World War II instead (and I assume that we would easily agree on that), but it somewhat feels like an "understatement", like a trivialization of what those children actually went through (even if they were not murdered in the end). And a researcher who'd want to study the experiences of Jewish children in WW2 would need to go through a lot of images of non-Jewish children if we'd simply put the surviving Jewish children into the Children in WW2-category rather than the Child Holocaust Victims-category. Nakonana (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
