File talk:Moritz Bleibtreu - Filmpremiere.jpg
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Could you please explain...
[edit]This file is one of the first 20 images to transclude the {{Personality rights}} tag. In a recent discussion at Commons:Village pump#Questioning when the personality rights tag is relevant... another contributor made a broad claim defending how this tag was generally used. I argued that its use on non-obvious images like this suggested to me it was being applied to images without meaningful consideration as to whether doing so was helpful or useful.
@Raymond: applied this tag, in this edit. I'd appreciate them explaining why they thought it was a good idea to do so.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 08:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Geo Swan This template is a useful hint for re-users of images with people. That re-users have to respect the personality rights which vary from country to country. As far as I know the template is not mandatory but a good practice. I am adding this template since ages without any complains. Raymond 09:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Raymond: the commons probably has ten million images of people. Over on the village pump discussion one of the other people wrote "Theoretically, we could add that template to pretty much any picture of a person; in practice, we tend to add it where there might be a valid concern that the picture would be misused."
- Am I correct that that is different than your defense here? It sounds like you plan to add the tag basically everywhere, and not preserve it for images most at risk of abuse. To apply it to all ten million or more images of people here? I suggest that would make it meaningless. So, I am going to strongly disagree with you that this is a good practice. Geo Swan (talk) 09:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Geo Swan I am adding the template only to my own images, normally not to images of other uploaders. And I am uncomfortable to define a "most at risk of abuse". The range of what can be done legally with an image varies very wide between the degree of familiarity of a person and the ~ 200 countries of the world. If the community defines a more narrow usage of the template I would be fine to follow new rules. Currently I see no point that I am breaking any rules. Raymond 11:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- You apply this tag, but only to images of individuals you uploaded? If everyone who uploaded images of individuals applied this tag to all those images, then this tag would be applied to over ten million images.
- There are English experts, who strongly criticize certain very common, but wasteful habits of lazy speakers. Some lazy English speakers unconsciously add worthless phrases to the things they say. They routinely add phrases like "You know..." These over-used phrases are sometimes called "verbal diarrhea".
- @Geo Swan I am adding the template only to my own images, normally not to images of other uploaders. And I am uncomfortable to define a "most at risk of abuse". The range of what can be done legally with an image varies very wide between the degree of familiarity of a person and the ~ 200 countries of the world. If the community defines a more narrow usage of the template I would be fine to follow new rules. Currently I see no point that I am breaking any rules. Raymond 11:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Am I correct that that is different than your defense here? It sounds like you plan to add the tag basically everywhere, and not preserve it for images most at risk of abuse. To apply it to all ten million or more images of people here? I suggest that would make it meaningless. So, I am going to strongly disagree with you that this is a good practice. Geo Swan (talk) 09:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- "So, I went to the mall, YOU KNOW. And I looked at some clothes, YOU KNOW. And the store-clerk told me the clothes made me look fat, YOU KNOW. So, I told them to get stuffed, YOU KNOW. And they called security, YOU KNOW
- When tags, like {{Personality rights}}, are used very widely, not highly selectively as Jmabel says they are used, I think they become the tag equivalent of verbal diarrhea - tag diarrhea, if you will.
- While it may not be counter-policy to apply the tag very widely, I remain convinced it is a bad idea. I would encourage manunals of style, and other guidelines, to encoourage the deprecation of your practice. Geo Swan (talk) 22:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)