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I copied this from the author's talk page because thus seemed like the more relevant place to discuss it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Irtapil (talk • contribs) 10:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello.

What if the 120,000 estimate of the Nagorno-Karabakh is not accurate? What if the Armenian population is actually less than that? The Armenian government says that almost all Armenians left Nagorno-Karabakh, which was 100,400 on 30 September.

File:Flight from Nagorno-Karabakh.svg is a good map and when the situation becomes clear over the coming days or weeks, the estimated pre-flight population should be revised.

Yours sincerely, Multituberculata (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello.

Can you update this map? In the map, the refugees are shown as 90,000, whereas they surpassed 100,000 on 30 September 2023. The line should be at 100,000 on that day.

Here is a source: https://www.rferl.org/a/karabakh-armenian-exodis-100000-un-visit-azerbaijan/32616962.html

Yours sincerely, Multituberculata (talk) 23:51, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Multituberculata

There was very little coverage on it but "everyone left" was fairly universal. I imagine a small number of eccentrics stayed, but few.

I am a bit skeptical about Radio Free Liberty, it's origins area as an overt propaganda station.

If Al Jazeera or TRT (Turkish state media] agree with those numbers i would trust them.

I actually wouldn't trust Al Jazeera in general in this one either they're coverage of this was not up to their usual standard, BUT their bias was strongly towards Azerbaijan whereas i world expect the USA to side with the Armenian side? (and i definitely wouldn't trust TRT, usually ok, but too close to this one)

But anything the differently biased sources agree on, is probably true.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news don't even know if they covered it, but if they did it would be trustable.

Irtapil (talk) 01:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello.

You are right about TRT and Al Jazeera, and also about Radio Free Liberty. They are biased - in this case towards Azerbaijan - and are thus not partial and trustworthy. That almost the entire Armenian community, bar a few dozen, fled Nagorno-Karabakh, is what all the different news outlets have reported.

Yours sincerely, Multituberculata (talk) 01:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Multituberculata Are you saying all three have the same bias? I know some of western Europe side with Azerbaijan due to gas deals, but I thought RFL still has more of a USA skew, which I would expect to side with Armenia, but that might be based on faulty assumptions? Irtapil (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Multituberculata If RFL is more pro-NATO (inc. Turkey) than pro USA in its bias then the sources to try would be Meduza (Russian journalists based in Latvia, anti-Putin, but without being anti-Russian, an informed critical perspective) or the United Nations. But I might have misinterpreted your point? Irtapil (talk) 10:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn’t previously notice this discussion. I don’t have the right programs on my current computer but I will update it when I get the chance. BilledMammal (talk) 03:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)