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Flag colors[edit]

This is a discussion about a proposal to change the red and green colors. In the images released by the Palestinian government, the two colors appear to be brighter than those currently used on Wikipedia. [1], [2], [3]--Sakiv (talk) 04:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FDRMRZUSA and Thespoondragon: --Sakiv (talk) 01:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, all the Arab flags that use the pan-Arab colors and do not have the color tones defined by law use the shades apparently first used on File:Flag_of_Hejaz_1917.svg, for whatever reason. I agree that those shades don't really accurately reflect how Arab flags are usually made or are depicted. The top right of that Palestinian government website you linked has a state emblem image with shades that I think we could consider, here's how they look on an Arab flag. (design used by Palestine, Ba'ath, etc) What do you think about these tones? -Thespoondragon (talk) 04:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The colors of the flag[edit]

hello, good afternoon, the tones of the Palestinian flag are incorrect since they do not coincide with the true colors that are shown in several images, I hope not to disturb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cesar David MP (talk • contribs) 01:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I hope we can agree that simply reverting each other is not helpful. Let's try to find a consensus.
    • Sakiv and ToughDonk seem to be in favor of the lighter version. There are many related files using lighter colors. For example:
      • So if either of the color schemes is strictly wrong, we might have to change multiple files. Or maybe both versions are acceptable. Do we have any authoritative source about what the colors should be? TilmannR (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      I fell like the darker version is more common IndoMajaBoi (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      TilmannR, as you can see I already provided my sources when I made the edit to the flag. Palestine is not an exception. Recently, we saw the colors of the flags of France and Austria changed after years.--Sakiv (talk) 13:10, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      IndoMajaBoi, this is not true. It is known that the flag of Palestine has become a symbol of revolution and rejection of injustice, and we see it in many protests. I advise you to search and you will see that the level of red and green is not that dark.--Sakiv (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      France and Austria are interesting examples. In the case of Austria we have a document from their ministry of defense, which explicitly specifies "Pantone 186 C" as the color to be used. In the case of France the Wikipedia article mentions "No law has specified the shades of these official colours.". The lighter and darker variants have their own files and both are shown in the article. So in the absence of an official document that specifies the exact colors of the flag of Palestine, and if we have evidence that both the dark and light variant have been in use, we should just split this into two different files.
      There are many photos on which the flag seems to have a bright red. (Although it's possible that the lighting conditions and the settings of the camera make the color look brighter than it actually is.)
      @Cesar David MP, IndoMajaBoi, Shebejeyebeb, and Durranistan: Do the users in favor of the dark variant have any photos or other evidence to support their case? TilmannR (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I have this video from the youtube platform as evidence https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BvBTg5NAcC8
      and many other images like 6 Gaza Protester Anaheim CA 1 4 09.jpg , Gaza flag in.jpg , Palestine flag 11.jpg , Quds Day Tehran Basijis.jpg all the images have the colors of the flag file and at no time do these colors appear Cesar David MP (talk) 00:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Following the example of Flag of France (lighter variant).svg, I suggest that we have two different files for the two color variants. I uploaded Sakiv's version as Flag of Palestine (lighter variant).svg. Now any sufficiently motivated writer can mention the existence of multiple variants in the flag's Wikipedia article.
      @Sakiv: I hope you don't mind that the lighter version ended up as a different file. The darker version was first and it matches all the other flags used in the Flag of Palestine article. And since the laws from 2005 and 2006 don't specify the exact shades of color to be used, I believe neither the darker variant nor the lighter variant are strictly incorrect. TilmannR (talk) 06:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • darker variant
        darker variant
      • lighter variant
        lighter variant

      — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakiv (talk • contribs) 14:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      TillmannR Strange, what I noticed in the videos brought by the editor is that bright green and red are predominant. This is a trusted source ([4]) that has been used extensively here for a long time. I hope the position has been resolved in favor of the lighter shades.--Sakiv (talk) 13:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      By the way, I see that a variant should be uploaded so that the black replaces the green of the flag of the period between 1948 and 1964, when the PLO modified the flag, when black became at the top and green at the bottom as it is now. Here is the source ([5]).--Sakiv (talk) 13:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      the flag that your font presents only has the light red color while the other colors are exactly the same and if you think that your Flag of Palestine (lighter variant).svg version looks like those of your fonts you are completely wrong Cesar David MP (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      In addition, the most used and official flag is the darkest, while there are variants that are not used much, such as the light one Stop Bombing Gaza (18 July 2014, Ljubljana, Slovenia) 12.JPG , Investidura d'Ada Colau (18178483154).jpg , Palestine flag 11.jpg , Palestinian March in Nicaragua.jpg , Everest Peace Project - Dudu with sewed flags.jpg , Gaza flag in.jpg , 6 Gaza Protester Anaheim CA 1 4 09.jpg Cesar David MP (talk) 17:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Is it such an important issue for you? What is the difference between dark and light. Isn't the lighter one more beautiful and has more soul?--Sakiv (talk) 17:23, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      the darkest version is the most used official version, it is the one that flies in houses, military posts, embassies literally you cannot come to change the flag file for a lighter one for that reason the user @TilmannR I create the clearest version, but it shows that you do it for vandalism since I have more evidence referring to this flag Cesar David MP (talk) 23:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      We have to finish this[edit]

      @Sakiv We must clarify once and for all that your file is one more variant of the Palestinian flag, the current one with dark colors is the most used waving in protests, military posts, even in government events, example: Dmitry Medvedev in Palestine 18 January 2011-11.jpeg , Direct talks in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt, on September 14, 2010 2.jpg so the file ends up being a variant and not the official version — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cesar David MP (talk • contribs) 01:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      Continued discussion about the color[edit]

      Moved from Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections#File:Flag_of_Palestine.svg: TilmannR (talk) 03:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      @Sakiv: Why is it not sufficient to have both variants coexist as different files? Flag_of_Palestine.svg has been using the darker colors from October 2006 to April 2021 and you agree that "There is unfortunately no official shade for the Arab flag colours". As far as I can tell, uploading the lighter variant as a separate file was a correct application of official guidelines. TilmannR (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      @TilmannR: Now what do we benefit from the variant? Where will it be used?? The flag was initially light-colored and then editor Huhsunqu came and modified it without apparent justification. I don't know but you seem to sympathize with Cesar David MP. I'm not the only one who's undoing his edits.--Sakiv (talk) 21:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Sakiv: The new file can be used in any Wikimedia project, just like the original. It is in no way inferior. Note that while Huhsunqu's edit is without comment, R-41~commonswiki's edit from April 2008 clarifies "these colours are the same as those of Jordan's flag, which the flag is based on". I agree that Cesar David MP has made incorrect decisions, but they weren't the only user to oppose your edit. And I try to assume good faith. TilmannR (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @TilmannR: What is Jordan's relationship to the flag of Palestine? We are talking about the shades used by the Palestinian president himself and its foreign minister. I will not be able to continue the discussion as long as there is no progress.--Sakiv (talk) 00:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Sakiv: R-41 probably meant to say that both the Palestinian flag and the Jordanian flag are based on the flag of the Arab Revolt. They all use the Pan-Arab colors. So for the sake of consistency they should use the same shades. File:Flag of Jordan.svg had the darker colors since its very first version in September 2005. That color scheme is therefore older than the oldest version of File:Flag of Palestine.svg. TilmannR (talk) 01:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      For God's sake. I never agreed with your suggestion to upload another variant but in the lighter shades. It is assumed that this popular and reliable site (Palestine) will put an end to all this contoversy. The Palestinian and Emirati flag are also related but the Emirati flag uses a lighter shade of red. This should be the end of discussion for me here.--Sakiv (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Unfortunately "Flags Of The World" just adds another different color scheme. Apparently an Olympic committee somehow decided to use PMS 032 red and PMS 355 green. As far as I can tell (and Pantone doesn't make it easy to look up their colors) the red is indeed closer to the lighter variant, but the green is closer to the darker variant. Flags Of The World also claim that the Palestinian flag "is a deliberate copy of the Jordanian flag", confirming R-41's comment.
      The UAE flag is not particularly helpful either. The red is brighter than the lighter variant. The green closer to the darker variant. TilmannR (talk) 03:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @TilmannR: , well then we can follow the Olympic Committee's scheme in case you have a source confirming that.--Sakiv (talk) 03:31, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Sakiv: Fortunately "Flags Of The World" names its sources: [6] page 82.
      Unfortunately the more recent version from 2020 ([7] page 104) uses a different red and a different green again. Therefore, if you want the Olympic flags to be uploaded, I would recommend to upload them as separate files and to specify both the year and the fact that they are "Olympic" in the file name. (Similar to File:Flag of France (2000 World Factbook).svg, File:Flag of France (2004 World Factbook).svg, File:Flag of France (2013 World Factbook).svg.) TilmannR (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      And this file?--Sakiv (talk) 04:07, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Sakiv: I see that you are committed to giving the Palestinian flags a consistent color scheme. And I'm of the opinion that neither the lighter nor the darker variant are strictly incorrect. Therefore I don't really mind if you change this file and File:Palestinian flag 1938.svg and File:Flag of Palestine (state).svg etc. The problem is the revert war. You need to either convince Cesar David MP to stop reverting or convince an admin to prevent them from reverting. Joining a revert war is never a good idea and can get you blocked. TilmannR (talk) 04:41, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      FOTW uses a specific color scheme based on what would appear better on older computers so any flag on there has those really bright colors. It's not representative in any way shape or form of the flag's actual design and you can see this by comparing almost any national flag on FOTW to it's actual construction sheet. NorthTension (talk) 07:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      also @Sakiv did anyone actually reach a consensus here because you just changed a bunch of files while linking to this discussion when nothing actually got decided. NorthTension (talk) 07:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Just to clarify: When I was mentioning the color scheme from FOTW, I meant the Pantone colors in the section "National Flag at the London 2012 Olympics" and not the "Browser Safe colours" of the GIFs.
      The current version of this file is even brighter than what was previously considered the "lighter variant". It is also brighter than the 2012 Olympics version, but darker than the 2020 Olympics version. As far as I can tell only Sakiv is in favor of these colors and everyone else either wants darker colors or just wants the edit war to stop. Ultimately Sakiv's version got accepted, because they stopped reverting and started asking the admins to intervene. It's a sad way for this "discussion" to end and it's certainly no consensus, but it's better than an infinite upload war.
      If you need the darker version for anything, Cesar David MP uploaded it as File:Flag of Palestine (original version).svg. TilmannR (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      Vandalism in the archive[edit]

      Sakiv Do you have OFFICIAL evidence to argue that the current file and colors are OFFICIAL and that the government decreed that this color is the exact one to use? that makes you ignorant since the palestinian flag of darker colors IS THE MOST USED WHETHER YOU WANT IT OR NOT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that the palestinian people use the flag with lighter colors as there are files that use the palestinian flag with darker colors : 6 Gaza Protester Anaheim CA 1 4 09.jpg , Gaza flag in.jpg , Palestine flag 11.jpg , Quds Day Tehran Basijis.jpg On top of that, he has the nerve to remove any proof that these are the REAL colors of the PALESTINIAN FLAG from the article about the flag of Palestine at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Palestine there were images like: 6 Gaza Protester Anaheim CA 1 4 09.jpg, Gaza Flag en.jpg, Palestine Flag 11.jpg, Quds Day Tehran Basijis.jpg which was evidenced by the dark colors of the flag you are a scoundrel you do not like to be outdone with arguments and evidence that is why you are editing several encyclopedic files to put your flag as if you had evidence to argue it


      Also, there is no reason for my block. sakiv was the one who started all this by editing this file that he had been carrying since April 26, 2021 with the wrong file never used by civilians or the state — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cesar David MP (talk • contribs) 02:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]



      Replace lighter flag part of other versions and replace it with darker version[edit]

      I already made the file, please use it to replace the lighter colours part of the other versions section, which is completely useless. The file is

      Flag_of_Palestine_(darker_colours).svg

      Kxeon (talk) 20:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      Updates to SVG file[edit]

      The current file isn't geometrically accurate. The top left of the triangle doesn't meet the corner, and has a redundant stroke. The three panels are different sizes and overlap. I have tidied the file itself and fixed these issues, using the exact same colours. I have the file, but I don't know how to upload it here. Please contact me if you'd like it :) Conor91 (talk) 04:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

      Code cleanup and colors[edit]

      {{Edit request}}

      @Odder @Yann I cleaned up the code and converted the colors using Pantone's color finder. The colors (Pantone 355 C and Pantone Red 032 C) appear to be sourced from the Flags and Anthems Manual London 2012. The source for the conversion of the red likely uses https://encycolorpedia.com/ed2e38, instead of Pantone's color finder. In the file description (or possibly the sources) we should cite that the colors are converted from the Flags and Anthems Manual London 2012.

      The proposed new code, which I coded manually, is only 313 bytes: 

      <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="1200" height="600">
  <rect width="1200" height="600" fill="#009639"/>
  <rect width="1200" height="400" fill="#fff"/>
  <rect width="1200" height="200"/>
  <path fill="#ef3340" d="m0 0 400 300L0 600Z"/>
</svg>

      98.213.225.105 00:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

       Not done The file has since been reduced further than 313 bytes so this seems to be unnecessary.Jonteemil (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

      Second time asking for darker colours on other versions[edit]

      {{Edit request}}

      The lighter colours part of the Other Versions part of the description has become useless, as the lighter colours are already there. I made a version of the Palestinian flag a while back with darker colours. Please replace the "variant with lighter colours" of the "Other Versions" part with Variant with darker colours. Thank you. Kxeon (talk) 03:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

      Edit request[edit]

      {{Edit request}}

      Please add the following: Category:SVG national flag of Palestine

      Please remove the following: Category:SVG national flags of Palestine -- Sangjinhwa (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

      @Sangjinhwa: But it’s currently in the “flags” category, not in the “flag” category. Did you mix up the “add” and ”remove” lines? Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 18:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Lucas Werkmeister: This part has been modified. -- Sangjinhwa (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      ✓ Done --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 20:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

      Colours Edit request[edit]

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      A westman

      The shade of red shown here is very obviously not the most common. A pure-ish red (close to #FF0000) is very common and should be shown here instead, though #CE1126 is also common.
      The shade of green which is the most common is #00843D. A westman (talk) 03:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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