File talk:Bernadotte Dynasty escutcheon 1996.jpg

"Phantasy" = Fantasy?

A phantasy by Demitz, a shield that was never used, out of project scope. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Assuming fantasy is meant above, where in those linked rules does it say that an author who has used an image he/she crteated in his/her own book, which hundreds of libraries all over the world have, cannot appropriately submit it to Wikimedia Commons? SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

See wikt:phantasy.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Prosfilaes! I'm never unwilling to learn. Have never had any reason to know of that spelling, have never read it anywhere, except in Old English texts, and have never used it or seen it used by my contemporaries, though I am a 64-year-old North American.

I should perhaps clarify that Kuiper's accusation is an almost instantaneous response to this edit of mine, where I tried to clarify what the image is. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Even if it were a misspelling, it's obvious what was meant; I fail to see any more reason to be obnoxious about it then to be obnoxious about what was meant by your response that includes the nonsense word "crteated".--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

The accusation that the image was "never used" is the sarcastic part, or shall we say untrue, as a quick read of its description will show. Nothing sarcastic about a spelling I have never seen used in modern times. But with Kuiper, a master of sarcasm and insulting innuendo, you can never be too sure. As to you and me, why should either one of us be "obnoxious" - I by not thankning you sincerely (which I did) or you by trying to ridicule my typo? I have fat fingers. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

PS If you reply again, why not try to answer my important question on the issue: "where in those linked rules... etc"? SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It's clear to me that when he said "never used", he meant never used in real life, not that it wasn't published in a book. You didn't bother looking up "phantasy" or assuming that since ph=f in English, it must have been fantasy. I don't see why you get to have "fat fingers" and no one should mention your misspellings, but someone else's misspellings are worthy of note. Use a spellchecker; most modern browsers have one built in.

As for your question, it's wrong headed. You may as well ask why we can't submit blue images to Commons. The question is, is the image reasonably useful for an educational use, or otherwise in use in a Wikimedia project. An unreal image from a book that isn't itself notable has a hard time making that claim.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it moderately important that we know whether this is historical or not; if it is ahistorical, then it's not really in project scope unless we load the whole book onto Wikisource. Even if it is kept, it's still valuable to have concerns about the factuality of the image stored with it, to guide potential users.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

In other words, I can't really see how this is very crucial or important or how the keeping or deletion of the image would damage Commons. This discussion only came up at all because Pieter Kuiper stalks and harasses me whenever he feels like it. Anyone interested in his hateful decimeters and decimeters of text on English & Swedish WP where he has done his utmost, with some success, to slur and damage the reputation of this image and book author? There is much more to this than meets the eye here. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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Actually, Commons has been traditionally somewhat tolerant of "Special and fictional flags" or "Special and fictional coats of arms", as long as they are not intentionally deceptive/hoaxing, or hatemongering... AnonMoos (talk) 08:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointer, I moved this to category:Special or fictional coats of arms. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)