Commons:Valued image candidates/Suicide chess 1. d3 forced loss.gif

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Suicide chess 1. d3 forced loss.gif

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Nominated by Rhododendrites talk |  on 2016-11-15 06:24 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Losing chess, a chess variant
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en:Losing chess, wikidata:Q1003361
Reason This is a chess variant in which capturing pieces is mandatory. In the most popular version, this means long chains of forced moves are possible, including moves which lose on the very first turn. This is a sample game illustrating both the variant and a first move losing move. When it went to QI, someone said the speed was too fast. Given it's intended to illustrate the first move loss rather than to serve as basis for analysis, I feel the speed is right. If I hear from reviewers here, too, that it's too fast, perhaps I'll upload another version. :) -- — Rhododendrites talk
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 Comment I've no idea if this qualifies as VI, but I think it's great. Charles (talk) 10:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment I would rather see Karyakin-Magnussen match, they are on 7th match by now. FIDE 2016. --Mile (talk) 08:17, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Support Strange stuff, and i play chess, but this is more probably Antichess. That would describe it better. Just hexagon table isnt here. At least. Who win @Rhododendrites:  ? --Mile (talk) 15:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    antichess is another name for it. :) You win by losing all of your pieces. Captures are forced (if you can take, you must). There is no check or checkmate, so a king can be taken just like any other pieces. Because of the rules, you must be careful of long combinations that force a loss. This game is an example of that. If white plays 1. d3, they will lose (as long as black knows how to win it). So here white loses. There are a few moves where white must choose between captures. In those cases I chose the one that puts up the biggest fight (i.e. it's easier to see how the other move loses). If you want to play, the easiest place to do so is probably lichess.org. :) — Rhododendrites talk15:31, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment This is too broad a scope. The category Chess variants has a number of sub-categories including Shogi, a notable game in its own right and Hexagonal chess, both of which lend themselves to illustrations that do not require a detailed knowledge of the game. Furthermore, this does not really illustrate the game of losing chess very well - one has first to understand chess in order to understand this image and then to understand which variant of Losing chess one is playing. In short, if one want to submit a chess animation as a VI, submit a "Fool's mate", a "Scholar's mate" or a "Knight's tour", all three of which are classic chess animations. Martinvl (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Martinv1: I don't follow your point. The scope isn't just chess variants, but losing chess. I'm fairly new to the VIC process so it's entirely possible I didn't properly reflect that. Perhaps the easiest solution would be for me to just create a subcategory for losing chess. Given the game does have articles on 10+ Wikipedias, it seemed like an appropriate scope. Unlike Shogi or hexagonal chess, losing chess looks completely identical to normal chess, so the only way to illustrate that would be through a series of moves. Fool's mate, scholar's mate, and knight's tour are all viable subjects, yes, but as that's a different game, how are they comparable? If you mean something like the equivalent of those basics, then this is precisely the closest thing to a fool's mate that losing chess has -- a one-move loss, seen all the way through. As there is no checkmate, there can be no game that's only a few moves long. I suppose it could be an animation of the last few moves of a game, but first move losses and long combinations are defining features of the game and why it's one of the few variants just about every internet chess venue has built in. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your intention. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to changing the scope to something more specific like "losing chess, first move loss" or something along those lines, anticipating something that more simply depicts the game? Sorry about the long response -- your comment caught me a little off guard and I'm trying to balance disagreement with self-awareness that I am a VIC newbie. :) — Rhododendrites talk21:27, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Result: 1 support, 0 oppose =>
promoted. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
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