Commons:Valued image candidates/South African ostrich in The Kiev Zoo.jpg

South African ostrich in The Kiev Zoo.jpg

declined

Image
Nominated by	Ввласенко (talk) on 2020-03-10 08:48 (UTC)
Scope	Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope: Struthio camelus in Kiev Zoo.
Used in	Global usage Kiev Zoo, Kiev Zoo
Review (criteria)	Comment - I can't imagine this scope isn't overbroad. You think this is the best photo of any bird in the zoo, and furthermore, than it's likely to be for some time? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Not in the future, but today.-- Ввласенко (talk) 20:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)  Oppose Please check out the VI scope guidelines and look at similar nominations. It's quite complicated! Charles (talk) 21:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)  Comment The scope is not good. The referring category is Struthio camelus (captive, head). This is where your image should be placed. In this category there is no VI image so you can propose your image under the scope: {{c|Struthio camelus (captive, head)|''Struthio camelus'' (Common ostrich) - captive, head}}. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)  Info Thank you very much for your help! I changed the scope accordingly. Ввласенко (talk) 08:51, 13 March 2020 (UTC) 09:25, 12 March 2020 (UTC)  Comment - I don't think we can recognize the difference between a captive and wild ostrich by sight, so I question why we'd want a separate VI for a captive ostrich. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC) Try taking a photo of an ostrich in the wild, and you will see this difference.-- 93.73.98.235 09:25, 12 March 2020 (UTC) You don't get my point. The point is that we can't see the difference just by looking at the resulting photo. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2020 (UTC)  Comment If the formalism of the scope is better, there are still some problems: the term captive is essential for the category but can be hidden in the scope. But there is also the problem of sex that will have to be given in the scope but I am not competent in this case. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)  Question - But isn't it the case that an invisible difference doesn't warrant a Valuable Image? And we can't see captivity unless the ostrich is shown behind a fence or something, right? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)  Comment I do not agree that we should have categories for both wild and captive animals. The best image should be VI. If there is any doubt, the image from the wild should prevail. The use of captive animals may introduce problems over subspecies or other geographical differences. Photos of lion is a case in point. Subspecies identification is troublesome, yet lion from difference parts of the world have marked differences - such as the the Kalahari lion with its blacker mane. And it is important to undertake thorough checks before a nomination. These can take a long time, Ввласенко. Here we already have an FP of a head of this animal in captivity. Charles (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)  Info My information. User:Veliensis created category Struthio camelus in Kiev Zoo, for what I am grateful to him. Accordingly, I replaced the scope, what, by my opinion, resolves conflict.-- Ввласенко (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)  Comment - We can't see the zoo in this photo, either. Explain to me why this is a useful scope. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC) Result: 0 support, 1 oppose => declined. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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