Commons:Valued image candidates/Black headed gull (yawning) - Geneva lake, Switzerland.jpg

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Black headed gull (yawning) - Geneva lake, Switzerland.jpg

undecided
Image
Nominated by Terragio67 (talk) on 2024-01-05 18:38 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Chroicocephalus ridibundus (adult in winter plumage) – (Black-headed gull) - Yawning
Used in Global usage
Reason At the moment, it's the only yawning bird inside the Yawning animals category. -- Terragio67 (talk)
Review
(criteria)

Done, thanks for your indication. --Terragio67 (talk) 07:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Oppose Unlikely to be yawning. We do not need scopes of birds with their mouth open. Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yawning animals is one of the most viewed categories on Wikimedia, it contains good images and 12 featured pictures with hilarious and at the same time instructive shots. So, your statement that adding a good categorized photo to Y.A. is useless to Wikimedia seems rather strange to me. In the past I have already seen a Seagull yawn but in these cases you are almost never ready to take a photo, this time I was really lucky because the black-head gull depicted made a series of yawns and I was able to take the third one. I still remember there were other people next to me who watched the scene with amusement. I conclude by repeating again what was stated above: Yawning animals Category is not useless and likely puts people in a good mood. Terragio67 (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I never said it was useless. I said I don't think it deserves a VI scope. Others may disagree. I suggest a scope based around the binomial name (as already requested) Chroicocephalus ridibundus so voters can (if they have the time) look through hundreds of images to see if this is the best example. You have helped me maintain my impression that the action is unlikely to be a yawn. If the gull made a series of 'yawns' they were unlikely to be yawns. It is much more likely that the bird had something stuck in its throat. Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replyː Charles, I answer you frankly and confirm that I have great respect and admiration for you. However, one can have different points of view in certain circumstances. Above all, I hope you are not upset by what I am honestly trying to sayː

Your response indicates to me that your unique personal view of the Y.A. category, which should not fall under scope VI, may not be shared. And in the event that someone does not share your point of view, you are again trying to dismantle (with personal feelings) what for me and a group of other people was a shared certainty in recognizing the yawning of a bird on Lake Geneva. This attitude is generally incorrect, in my opinion, because it can transversely influence the personal decisions of those who see a point of reference in the field of wildlife photography through you. To explain briefly: Your assertion is akin to an IPSE DIXIT, where a thesis is accepted only on the authority of the person who holds it.

Please do not take this response as a personal attack on you. I just want to state my case: 1. The bird is definitely yawning, 2. the category of yawning animals could deserve a VI section, because yawning still attracts scientific interest today. --Terragio67 (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 1 support, 1 oppose =>
undecided. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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