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•  Info text by General de Gaulle photo by Jebulon - uploaded by Jebulon - nominated by Jebulon -- Jebulon (talk) 23:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
•  Neutral  Info The call "to all Frenchmen" by Charles de Gaulle in London, in summer 1940, when the disaster was absolute in France, a few days (17 june) after the capitulation of all the french armies. It is the call of a lonesome man, for resistance against the enemy, sacrifice and hope. The war is not over, because it is a world war. Some huge forces will surely come, and will soon fight for victory, and France must fight for victory too. This famous text (here on an enamelled plaque) is shown at a lot of many places in all french cities, great or small, even in villages. This is a typical and remarkable french streets object. Not to be confused with the "18th june call", same idea, but not exactly the same text -- Jebulon (talk) 23:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
•  Comment It's a bit dark, isn't it? Jafeluv (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
•  Info Maybe. But it's an enameled street plaque, under sun and rain for years, not purely white, and not absolutely clean...--Jebulon (talk) 21:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
•  Question Is this text in the public domain? There's no FOP in France unfortunately, and I cannot think of a reason why the text would be in the public domain already. –Tryphon^☂ 12:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
•  Info O yes, it is in public domain... By the way, I'm sure that "Commons" will never have troubles with Gen.de Gaulle's heirs with this kind of images...--Jebulon (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
  
• Other  Info The 18 june 2005, l'Appel du 18 Juin has been classified by en:Unesco on the Memory of the World register, were are registred since 1992 documents of universal interest, to protect them. Registration was made both by fr:institut national de l'audiovisuel (INA, France) and BBC, it concerns four documents as testimony of the event : manuscript of the text of the radio call of the 18th June, the broadcast of the call of the 22th june, manuscript of the poster « À tous les Français » (this one, 3 august), and the poster itself.--Jebulon (talk) 22:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
•  Comment If the text was copyrightable in the first place, and I think it was, then it is still copyrighted, unless we can find a release statement either from de Gaulle or from all his heirs. Alternative hypothesis: de Gaulle was still a member of the French military on June 18th. If copyright law was similar to its current state for that matter, then it is the French army who holds the copyright (and until at least 2041). They sometimes release work here, but not often. --Eusebius (talk) 17:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
  • If it was copyrighted when created (which is absolutely not certain), and the copyright belongs to the French military, then it expires on January 2011, 70 years after the creation. Yann (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
    • No, 70 years post mortem auctoris (cf discussion on the French Bistro). But I don't think the military can claim copyright on this, since it was not really created on duty. --Eusebius (talk) 19:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm deeply sorry, but the two precedent opinions are very far away from the french law. "Copyright" doesn't exist in France, and you melt this anglo-saxon notion with the idea of "droit d'auteur", which is not (absolutely not) the same thing. This "pseudo-legal-mud" is usual, and its a pity (like the assertion : "there is no freedom of panorama in France", because the idea of "freedom of panorama" is unknown in french law). Never forget this : Commons is not only american, and what you say about the rights of the french army on this text is an absolute non-sens (to be polite) in this side of the Atlantic ocean. French army has never have a "copyright" (non-sense) on the books written by his members, even if it is art-of-war publications (Au fil de l'Epée, de la Discorde chez l'ennemi, Vers une armée de métier, all by army officer Charles de Gaulle) --Jebulon (talk) 22:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
      • I am French, and when I say "copyright" in this context I'm thinking about the Code de la Propriété Intellectuelle. My comment about the army comes from a decision by the TGI of Nanterre (27 oct. 2005), commented in the Dalloz as the only reference about the droit d'auteur in the army, stating that L'État [sorry, it was not the army, my bad] se trouve investi des droits sur les œuvres produites par les militaires dans l'exercice de leurs fonctions, which makes members of the military a special case among the civil servants, who benefit from more rights (but not all of them). But I honestly think we are not in this case. --Eusebius (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, I leave in Paris. In a circle of 500 meters around me, I remember now (only remember) a dozen of this kind of plaques in the streets, on walls, on trees, everywhere. If you think this text is not in the public domain, I can nothing for you...How, Charles de Gaulle died "only" on november 9th 1970 !!! --Jebulon (talk) 22:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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Result: 0 support, 0 oppose, 1 neutral → not featured. /George Chernilevsky ^talk 11:39, 25 May 2010 (UTC)