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- Info created by Yathin sk - uploaded by Yathin sk
- Support great composition! Tomer T (talk) 20:20, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support This landscape has something surrealistic. --A.Savin 22:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Is this really real? Thous colors... wow Kruusamägi (talk) 23:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:46, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Support—Bruce1eetalk 05:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)- Switched my support to Alternative below. —Bruce1eetalk 07:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Ivar (talk) 06:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Stas1995 (talk) 09:57, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Wow there is. Yann (talk) 10:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
SupportBig wows. JKadavoor Jee 10:20, 8 February 2013 (UTC)OpposeArresting image for sure, but I'm not at all convinced this is reality. The dunes are a radically different colour to the rocks/scrub/scree on them. Looking at the EXIF with this tool shows significant global increases to saturation and vibrance as well as the usual levels. Hard to say what other changes were made in Photoshop to the tiff intermediate. Perhaps someone can link to pictures with a similar effect that are unprocessed to show this kind of image is reality, or Yathin sk can say what adjustments were made using a "Retouched" template on the image description page. Colin (talk) 11:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- I've struck my oppose. Yathin sk says the adjustments to the original image were to make it look like he remembered rather than to make a saturated abstract. Sometimes reality does look unreal. Colin (talk) 11:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Comment uncropped RAW-to-JPEG version uploaded. I'm not sure what else to do. :) Yathin sk (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- BTW, I prefer that uncropped "crop". The sky makes it more beautiful IMHO. JKadavoor Jee 15:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Just uploaded the full resolution. I like the cropped version because it gives a sense of unending dunes (the Namib has ~100km of dunes) but the Sossusvlei area is the only place to see the red dunes (older dunes). You're welcome to play with it/upload a new version if preferred. :) Yathin sk (talk) 15:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Can you upload this full resultion untouched version as a separate file e.g. File:Namib-Naukluft Sand Dunes (2011) original.jpg and then we can offer it as an alternative for FPC. I can see that some of the oddness is in fact natural but like Jkadavoor I prefer the uncropped one and the original colours are fine too. -- Colin (talk) 16:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Done
- Can you upload this full resultion untouched version as a separate file e.g. File:Namib-Naukluft Sand Dunes (2011) original.jpg and then we can offer it as an alternative for FPC. I can see that some of the oddness is in fact natural but like Jkadavoor I prefer the uncropped one and the original colours are fine too. -- Colin (talk) 16:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Just uploaded the full resolution. I like the cropped version because it gives a sense of unending dunes (the Namib has ~100km of dunes) but the Sossusvlei area is the only place to see the red dunes (older dunes). You're welcome to play with it/upload a new version if preferred. :) Yathin sk (talk) 15:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- BTW, I prefer that uncropped "crop". The sky makes it more beautiful IMHO. JKadavoor Jee 15:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Comment uncropped RAW-to-JPEG version uploaded. I'm not sure what else to do. :) Yathin sk (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- You can upload the RAW file too --The Photographer (talk) 17:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Is it a mix of File:Namib Desert 1996.jpg and File:Sossusvlei sand dunes.jpg? JKadavoor Jee 13:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support This photograph is the most beautiful thing I've seen here in a while --The Photographer (talk) 14:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose -- This version, which is apparently overdone. Let's wait for the uncropped one and see. Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I didn't nominate this and I prefer not voting on this but I'm still curious to learn and to answer critiques. Original version: File:Namib-Naukluft Sand Dunes (2011) original.jpg. What's overdone? I'd rather shoot conservatively with the camera and tweak colors on a more powerful computer than the camera. I used to shoot with Nikon D70/D300/D2x before moving to Canon 7D/1Ds III/1D IV so I've seen it first hand how amazing Nikon can make photographs shot in auto-saturation mode look, compared to Canons! I'm only bringing up the Nikon/Canon issue because I've also seen other Canon users needing to work harder with post-processing/colors than Nikon users. Also, my humble suggestion is that if you choose to use harsh words (like your earlier comment about whether this being photography at all), please back it up with a more detailed feedback (like @Colin did so wonderfully). -- Yathin sk 21:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Those harsh comments never took place, maybe it is your imagination! . There are two things I don't like: the lack of detail; and the apparently unnatural colors. The first issue seems to be the result of the convection of warmed air from the heated ground, much agravated by the use of a telephoto; the second ... I don't know but I suspected that the colors had been somehow oversatured in the digital lab. That is why I withdrew my first comment and decided to wait and see. Anyway, I much prefer the uncropped version! -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'm high on internet addiction but thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is much appreciated. This is what, an hour or so after sunrise on a cool/cloudy day and was already so hot -- but that's what deserts look like whether it looks good on photo or not. I prefer not to use the telephoto for landscape but the spot of light on a sand dune with a live tree in front was too good to resist an opportunistic landscape composition (something I do rarely!). I only tried to show the colors that I saw and I can say that it was more similar to the cropped version than the uncropped. Cheers! -- Yathin sk (talk) 22:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Yathin, try not to take it too much to heart. It is such an unusual view that many of us can't compare with known reality. Thank-you for uploading the original as this confirms your FPC isn't as unreal as I thought, though I still prefer the original colours. On Commons, there is a bias towards faithfulness whereas many photographers these days are digital artists. I'm not against tweaking the image in Photoshop/Lightroom but there comes a point where it deviates enough from the original that the "retouched" template is useful to be honest about how different the final image has become. -- Colin (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- No worries. It is an interesting thread and I was a little shaken at first because I thought I had only done adjustments to look like what I had seen. I was actually surprised with a nomination and then having to come for its defense . Thanks for your constructive feedback though. -- Yathin sk (talk) 22:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Those harsh comments never took place, maybe it is your imagination! . There are two things I don't like: the lack of detail; and the apparently unnatural colors. The first issue seems to be the result of the convection of warmed air from the heated ground, much agravated by the use of a telephoto; the second ... I don't know but I suspected that the colors had been somehow oversatured in the digital lab. That is why I withdrew my first comment and decided to wait and see. Anyway, I much prefer the uncropped version! -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I didn't nominate this and I prefer not voting on this but I'm still curious to learn and to answer critiques. Original version: File:Namib-Naukluft Sand Dunes (2011) original.jpg. What's overdone? I'd rather shoot conservatively with the camera and tweak colors on a more powerful computer than the camera. I used to shoot with Nikon D70/D300/D2x before moving to Canon 7D/1Ds III/1D IV so I've seen it first hand how amazing Nikon can make photographs shot in auto-saturation mode look, compared to Canons! I'm only bringing up the Nikon/Canon issue because I've also seen other Canon users needing to work harder with post-processing/colors than Nikon users. Also, my humble suggestion is that if you choose to use harsh words (like your earlier comment about whether this being photography at all), please back it up with a more detailed feedback (like @Colin did so wonderfully). -- Yathin sk 21:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Support — Between this image and the alternative below, it came down to a choice between composition versus naturalness of colors. Composition won, but I had a lot of flip-flopping. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 02:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)Switching my support to the alternative version. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)- Support -- Peter23 (talk) 10:56, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Looks the way I remember it too (only I got stuck in the sand just at that time of day after a 50 km rush to get to the prettiest dunes ;-(). B.p. 13:32, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support--Miha (talk) 14:45, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support -- Daniel Mietchen - WiR/OS (talk) 22:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose for this version. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 10:15, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Alternative[edit]
- Support More natural colours. Prefer this composition with sky and more ground. -- Colin (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Böhringer (talk) 21:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Very nice too. Yann (talk) 09:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry, I prefer the first version. This one has a bit too harsh contrast for me. --A.Savin 11:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Prefer this crop with the sky. Colours; I've no problem with both. I think Schnobby who had a photo of this place can give a comment about the real colours. @Yathin: Hello from your nearby place, Kerala (now at Kasaragod); you've so many wonderful contributions. JKadavoor Jee 13:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Real colors: a very difficult question. We were there in August, it was cold, there was even frost. Also it depends on the insolation, the sand in the air, time of day. In Peru we once had an incredible sight of mountains at sunset with colors really unnatural, but true. So one has to be careful, I think. I like the photo!--Schnobby (talk) 11:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Ingeborg, for sharing your experience. JKadavoor Jee 13:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks @Jkadavoor. I've not thought about this until now, but it is looks that most visitors to Namib-Naukluft seem to shoot around Dune 45, Sossusvlei and Deadvlei but rarely any of the dunes along the way (which are as impressive). I couldn't find a similar image on Google, but there was one with similar lighting: [1]. It's probably because most prefer shooting with wide angle / medium telephoto, but I only had the 500mm on which I was using in the hopes of re-spotting bat-eared foxes that I just seen in the area. So, just an opportunistic landscape that caught my eye that fit into the lens I was carrying. Yathin sk (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Clearly this one. Not even for it being more natural, I just like the composition and the colours here, and I don't get the composition of the edited version. --Julian H. (talk/files) 19:02, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support — Switched my support. A difficult choice! Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support —Bruce1eetalk 07:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Schnobby (talk) 12:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Great picture and great experience, I am jealous! :) Poco a poco (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --NJR_ZA (talk) 15:19, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support - Godot13 (talk) 01:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose To indicate preference for original. --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose As KoH. The original packs much more wow and mystery. B.p. 10:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support -- Arcalino (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Alchemist-hp (talk) 10:15, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 13 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /A.Savin 10:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Places/Natural
The chosen alternative is: File:Namib-Naukluft Sand Dunes (2011).jpg