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File:Hibiscus Rising sculpture from above. LEEDS 2023. 01.jpg, not featured[edit]

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Hibiscus Rising sculpture
  • I'm not saying the artwork doesn't have artistic value but the nominator made it clear that this image was uploaded to Commons as part of a paid project. Octoviison media is not the photographer, just a production company employed by Leeds to promote the city. We have no information on copyright though I guess the photographer assigned his rights to the production company. Don't we need to know who took the photo? Charlesjsharp (talk) 16:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello @Charlesjsharp - Octovision Media is a drone photographer based in Hull, who assigned their images to Leeds 2023 (Leeds Culture Trust) and gave permission for this image and a couple of others to be released under an open license. They are not a "production company employed by Leeds to promote the city". Secondly, again, I looked carefully at the guidelines here and I could not see where it precludes nominations from paid projects, indeed there are examples from other paid projects like this that have already been Featured on Commons. This one was voted for with support by a number of people, including yourself. Lajmmoore (talk) 18:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not so. Octovision Media is a corporate entity, not a photographer. It employs photographers/drone operators. And we can assume they were paid to take the promotional photo. The image I supported is sharing culture. Not the same as pushing the merits of Leeds as a city. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose No promotion please Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you @Charlesjsharp it's good to have open disucssion. 1) This is is a cultural project, part of a Wikimedian-in-Residence project to share Leeds' cultural heritage - like hundreds of other GLAM partnerships. 2) I don't think it matters that they were originally paid for the image, what matters for Commons is that it is now available in the public domain, which it is - this isn't precluded anywhere. If it was all the hundreds of historic photos taken in professional studios (that are now in the public domain) would be disallowed because at the time a photographer was paid for them by the sitters. Lajmmoore (talk) 07:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Comment Let’s look at this in a more relaxed way. Do we have a sharp distinction between selfless contributions and promotion? I don’t think so. There is plenty of promotional material on Commons user pages as well as on file pages. Just look at all the links to personal websites, assorted photography projects, wildlife parks and reserves, etc. Some users even have their websites included in the ‘Author’ or ‘Source’ parameters on Commons, even if they upload their files directly … This is all common(s) practice. Now what is worse with this photo? It does not cry “Buy x!” or “Come to y!” or “Vote for z!”. It does not even say “NN is a great photographer!”. It just documents an interesting work of art and can be used for many things. So why shouldn’t we welcome this photo? – Aristeas (talk) 12:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 6 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /Cmao20 (talk) 18:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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