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I had received the following encouragement to be an administrator:

You seem an awful good RC patroller... may I nominate you for admin? --SB_Johnny talk 00:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd support - you've kept us pretty busy on Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism :-) —Giggy 01:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Now, it's up to you. Sorry if I am a man of few words about myself. Sdrtirs (talk) 17:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This issue (below) made me gain more experience.--Sdrtirs (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To resume the talk I had with Patrícia on her talk page (because it was in Portuguese), I did misunderstand her because, like Lugusto said with Portuguese Wikipedia have enough pt-N sysops with ad hominem fallacies and roughnesses, I though that Patrícia was abusing her power as admin. I must confess that I didn't read better what she wrote and apologize me to her about all the things I said by misunderstood her. She explained to me that the Commons hierarchy is not about power and it's about trust. She had forgive me! And I'm ashamed of myself. If I could go back in time, I'd make it better.--Sdrtirs (talk) 00:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

  •  Support Wuff!  Oppose abf /talk to me/ 18:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- I was actualy going to nominate, but I guess I took too long getting back to the keyboard :-). Sdrtirs is a very active RC patroller, who from what I've seen is quite helpful and mellow in his communications. Fluent in en and pt, and we always need more bilingual admins with the time and interest to do the grunt work on the front end. --SB_Johnny talk 19:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC) Not at all happy with the response to Patrícia. --SB_Johnny talk 11:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support If he becomes an admin, I guess we won't need Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism anymore. :) Rocket000(talk) 21:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)  Oppose I'm afraid I agree with Patrícia and even though I don't expect every admin to fully understand copyrights, you need to know your own limits. And I'm not talking about marking text logos as {{PD-textlogo}}—those are always arguable—it's things like the way you responded below. I didn't care if you thought the Google logo was ineligible or not, it's way you reached your conclusion and the way you conveyed it that bothered me. Sorry. Rocket000(talk) 16:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since Sdrtirs left me a comment informing me of his responses (thank you), I thought I'd take another look. And I don't like what I see. Defensiveness and rudeness (and to Patrícia of all people!) are not qualities I look for in an admin. This is a confirmation of my oppose. Rocket000(talk) 20:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you need such comments? Do you feel better now? Stop such things. Marcus Cyron (talk) 22:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nice welcome!--Sdrtirs (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

 Comment good amount of deleted edits, though I see some lack of deletion requests but the deleted edits makes me feel more secure about you. When looking more through your contribs I found some copyright violations from December 2007 to February, 2008. Also see this image that was just in April but seems to be a mistake. The concerns I raised makes me more unsure. Would be nice if you could comment here Sdrtirs. Thanks, --Kanonkas(talk) 18:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I'll comment this. At those times I was new on Commons and I didn't know much about copyrights. So, I had made some copyright violations without knowing it. This was an error when I took my first steps here on Commons. Today, I had gain some experience about it.--Sdrtirs (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The thing that worries me is that it lasted from December 2007 to Feb/April 2008. Also can you see this image, can it be uploaded here? If so why, and if not then please also explain. Thanks, --Kanonkas(talk) 14:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Question I saw on your user talk over at en.wiki that you have been tagging logos with {{PD-textlogo}} but someone disagreed with such tagging and asked you to revert. Could you please tell us what you interpret as logos eligible for PD-textlogo, maybe with some examples from en.wiki that are currently under fair use rationales but could potentially be ineligible for copyright? Thank you, Patrícia msg 20:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Google's logo ineligible for copyright? Rocket000(talk) 21:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well if administrators have different opinions in talk page in the link given by Rocket000, why will I be the one who knows it better if I learned all I know about copyrights in Commons? According with what is written, typefaces, slogans and simple geometric shapes are ineligible to copyrights. About Google logo, I think that it is ineligible to copyrights. What is the creativity of having a letter in a color and another in a different color? Anyone can do that! But the combination of the colors is, I think, subject to creativity and, therefor, trademarked. Another image that is ineligible to copyrights is en:Image:AH Belo Corporation logo.png, to respond Patrícia question. But this en:Image:ANZ Logo.png had make me doubts about typefaces.--Sdrtirs (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Patrícia wanted me to indicate an image that was in a fair use license which could be ineligible for copyright. So, before I change the image license, I'll indicate this en:Image:Acmi Logo.jpg ineligible with the fair use license.--Sdrtirs (talk) 09:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
why will I be the one who knows it better if I learned all I know about copyrights in Commons. The question wasn't implying you would know better or that you should agree/disagree with anyone. It was simply to see how you would reply. But the combination of the colors is, I think, subject to creativity and, therefor, trademarked. Trademarks have nothing to do with creativity. Anyone can do that! Copyrights are granted for originality, not the skill necessary. Rocket000(talk) 12:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Could you please check Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary in Special:Preferences? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Thank you very much for taking the time to go through images and pick up those examples, I really appreciate it. I have some concerns/comments to do, and would like to know what is your attitude to these concerns (it doesn't mean that there is a right-or-wrong answer, it's just a way of evaluating how you edit and respond to certain situations):

  • Going through your edits on en.wiki, I found some cases where you "spammed" user talk pages with script-based templates (such as Twinkle) about images having problems ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]). These are very recent edits (August 2008). I must admit two things: the first is that I didn't look into how the tagging was done, so I have no concerns on whether the images were well tagged or not. The second is that I have not seen you doing the same here on Commons, at the most you have added three-four templates in a row. My personal feeling is that three to four is a reasonable amount, and if the user has many images more with problems, their links should be added manually to the user page. The rationale is: adding multiple warnings on talk pages is not encouraging dialog and discourages users from fixing their errors: templates are, even if well worded, quite impersonal. A "hand-written" good message can do wonders. So I would personally love to see that behaviour not coming into Commons (let me state again, this is a personal view).
  • In face of what I stated above about the usage of scripts, I'd like to know if you find this editing reasonable. Why ten edits to add ten categories?
  • I am a tad concerned about your tone in some responses. I understand you had complaints, and were perhaps not treated with the most polite tone here and there. However, one thing an admin must do is to stay cool when someone comes to your user talk and starts being aggressive. I think you failed to stay cool here (under the "Image:Velasquez, Vosloo.jpg" discussion), and resorted to ad hominem-style of arguing when things weren't going your way. Because of the same issue, you took an attitude of "me versus the rest" here. May I add the disclaimer that I am not very familiar with en's fair use image policy, so I don't know if the deletion was "fair" or not, but it was "justified". The point is, as a Commons admin, it is expected from you to close deletion requests, and follow community consensus regardless of if you like it or not.

Sorry for the long comment, but I tend to be very thorough. And sorry for picking up en.wiki edits, but I haven't seen much user interaction here from you (pasting templates doesn't count as "interaction", imho). You're a pt user; we're in dire need of pt-speaking admins, having local uploads shut down on pt.wikipedia. I would really like you to help, but I want to know if you are ready to go the Commons way. Cheers, Patrícia msg 15:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All my answers: Before answering Patrícia's comment, let me tell to Rocket000 that those questions I made, like (...) if administrators have different opinions (...), why will I be the one who knows it better, were rhetorical questions and not defensive (aggressive) questions. If you though that then you had misunderstood me!

Going to Patrícia's comment:

#I have my doubts, but I think that Patrícia had made a campaign against me. I don't know what motives her, but I know something that an administrator should be: helpful and trying to help editors with their doubts when they requested for help. It was exactly what Patrícia didn't do! Months ago, I sent her a message on her talk page if she would mind to check an OTRS permission, as described on Commons pages that I could ask for help to anyone who had OTRS access. Months passed and I still haven't got any message from her. You can see my recently edits on Commons. Did I denied a help request? The same person who didn't answering me is showing my recent errors, not my recent edits, searching all my contributions at Wikipedia. I'm wondering how she got the time to that, if a simple message she can't answering?

  1. Did anyone didn't a mistake? Did or did not you try to fix that mistake or to never repeat it again? I understand Patrícia opinion and I'll answering with a question: did I had made it that "spam" messages recently on Commons? Recently, yesterday, I found an user that uploaded 6 or more images that was missing something. Did I put 6 same messages? I'm afraid I didn't! So, the problem is that the Twinkle script has for default a checkmark on the option Notify the uploader and, if anyone forget to remove that, then a message will be sent automatically to it's uploader. The feedback from Anthony, at Wikipedia, made me realize my mistake. So, I try all my best not to repeat the same error. I'm not going to say that it will never happen again because error can be made and it is the nature of the human being. Or should I be a machine?
  2. The Hotcat script doesn't allow to insert multiple categories at one edit and it has been made one by one. Did you knew that? I bet Patrícia didn't know! If you think that this script, and personally I don't know why it doesn't handle with multiple categories input, isn't the following standards on Commons, please remove it from Special:Preferences, where I found it. I think that is need to be more responsible the options on Special:Preferences.
  3. The discussion at Wikipedia has it reasons: the image that I uploaded there as a fair use was deleted and policies were invoked. Then, I saw on who had me block contributions and I found a similar image with the similar issue. That image remains undeleted. So, the image that I uploaded was deleted because it didn't follow Wikipedia rules and the other stays because fitted in. So, I had appeal. And if my tone was understood like aggressive, it wasn't, it was my indignity by feeling that I was discriminated. A question: did someone said specifically why the image didn't be accepted comparing to the image on the same article, with the same propose? I'm afraid anyone didn't! So, what did you do in my place, if you are trying to hard to follow the rules and then you see someone else doing the same thing you had done and having different treatment with the same issue and an image of the same movie which is similar to the image deleted having different treatment. So, I had appeal because of that. In resume, I was blocked at Wikipedia for following rules, if you compare them. With this problem, I said to me no more fair use images. The funny thing is that they know that there are images used wrongly and still don't doing anything about it.

I hope that I had answering all your questions. I'll be available for more questions, if you want asking me something. Regards, Sdrtirs (talk) 19:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have my doubts, but I think that Patrícia had made a campaign against me. You are totally out of line with comments of this matter. Ad hominem arguments aren't welcome in any discussion. Please state what kind of campaign I am doing against you with proper diffs and objective arguments. I am genuinely surprised and disappointed at this rude comment.
Months ago, I sent her a message on her talk page if she would mind to check an OTRS permission, as described on Commons pages that I could ask for help to anyone who had OTRS access. Months passed and I still haven't got any message from her. You mean this question of yours? That I replied 15h and 20min later? Maybe you did not realize that I reply on my own talk page, and I am sorry if you missed that answer; but a polite reminder would then be in order, not holding a grudge for an "unanswered" question for months. That was your sole edition on my talk page, ever.
did I had made it that "spam" messages recently on Commons? No, you didn't, I specifically pointed that. Please read my comment above again, if you don't mind. I actually praised that you were not doing that here on Commons. And I am very happy you realized it was a mistake to do that on Wikipedia.
The Hotcat script doesn't allow to insert multiple categories at one edit and it has been made one by one. Did you knew that? I bet Patrícia didn't know! You lost the bet, I'm afraid. There is, however, an alternative to the script: it's called an edit button, and it's on the top of the page. I won't comment further on this.
And if my tone was understood like aggressive, it wasn't, it was my indignity by feeling that I was discriminated. I realize that, that you were feeling that you were being treated in a different way.
Some final comments: I think you have shown you are not ready to be an administrator here or in any wiki. You turned what I thought were legitimate concerns of mine as personal problems against you; I don't know your work, that's why I went through your contribs, and if I see problems here and there, I investigate further. Yes, it takes some of my precious time away. And here am I again spending a bit more of it, not because I have anything against you but because I genuinely wish to know if you are prepared to be an admin. You are however showing that you cannot cope with criticism, and you use personal negative remarks to answer concerns. I'm truly saddened by this. Good luck with your RfA, I am done here. Patrícia msg 20:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment The more I try to explain myself, the more I'll be misunderstood.--Sdrtirs (talk) 22:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When communicating in text-based multilingual multicultural environment with people you've never met, I never put much emphasis on what would normally be perceived as their personality coming across. I've been wrong about people so many times, I know better to make judgements on such poor evidence. This is akin to "assume good faith" but a slightly less humanistic (i.e. more realistic) approach—"assume nothing". This helps avoid many many misunderstandings. You do a lot of good work here and I really hope you aren't too discouraged by this RfA. Rocket000(talk) 21:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I said to Patrícia sorry and I asked if she can forgive me.--Sdrtirs (talk) 19:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I have accepted Sdrtirs apologies (it's easier when we can communicate in our common native language :)). Patrícia msg 20:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was all a misunderstood! I had misunderstood what Patrícia said. For that, I had apologize me to her, for I misunderstood her.--Sdrtirs (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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