Commons:Requests and votes/Lupo

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Lupo

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After years of working on Wikipedia and the Commons using a puny dial-up, I finally got DSL now. So I think I do now have the technical means to help out with our backlogs here, or with the more image-intensive tasks.

Some brief history: I'm an admin at the English Wikipedia (for a couple of years now, I forgot since when exactly). I signed up at the Commons in 2004, but became really active only in 2005. I mostly do image uploads and participate at COM:DEL. I also initiated WP:PD.

I do have a real life, and so my level of involvement (both here and at the en-WP) varies. Still I think I could help out with the administrative tasks. If you want me to help (and trust me not to goof majorly), I'll do it. If not, I'll keep on participating as before. Cheers! Lupo 10:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Optional question from Jusjih How do you think of American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term and the orphan works getting into our way in Commons and English Wikipedia? On 23 May 2007 at w:Wikipedia:Public domain and on 5 June 2007 at w:Orphan works and w:Public Domain Enhancement Act, you removed my added Meta templates from these Wikipedia pages while calling them "advertisement". I would like to kindly ask you to explain these actions while we seem to disagree each other in certain ways.

I disagree your calling my petition campaign through Meta as advertisement while no one has proposed deleting my added Meta page, but I consider the campaign very important to protect all Wiki sites from massive copyright problem like what happened to French Wikiquote. We do have so many images PD at home but copyrighted in the USA, so we have to take these matters very seriously.

Even if my added Meta links might otherwise violate any Wikipedia policy or guideline (you did not cite any clearly), I would like to claim w:Wikipedia:Ignore all rules there as American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term and orphan works are preventing all of us from working together to improve Wikipedia other than bothering with fair use. Even though you need not respond to my question here, I do consider that admins should morally support reasonably balanced copyright protection and public domain.--Jusjih 13:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)(5-project bilingual-plus admin at ten Wikimedia sites)[reply]

Well, that's quite a bit off-topic, since it concerns actions taken over at the English Wikipedia and moreover, you never contacted me about this in the three months since then.
Even if it may be campaigning for a worthy cause, I feel adding the link to two Wikipedia articles was inappropriate and spammy. Your petition is a political campaign, and I feel that the neutrality Wikipedia requires means that we should not link to any campaigns (articles about campaigns themselves excepted, maybe, although I'd prefer even there to have links to media/scholarly receptions of these campaigns). It appeared to me that you were just adding these links to make people aware of your petition. Could you please explain in what way this is different from any other spammer who insists to add a link to his own site in Wikipedia articles?
As for removing it from WP:PD: the link doesn't add anything. That page is not about how copyright could be but about how it is. Adding a link to a minor petition that purports to strive to change the law is too misleading; people might think a change might be imminent, when in reality it's basically a one-man show with (currently) 26 Google hits, most of them talk pages on some Wikimedia project, and 141 signatures. I also think that to change U.S. copyright law, you'd have to lobby with your Congress(wo)man to sponsor a bill to do so, not by collecting signatures on the Internet.
If you disagree, I propose the following experiment: write a Wikipedia article about your petition at the en-WP. I'll then nominate it at WP:AFD. If it stays, you could then add internal links even. :-) If it goes: end of story.
As to "moral support...": I don't consider that a criterion for adminship, neither here nor at en-WP. An admin should abide by the consensus of the community, should follow the policies of a project (which hopefully were arrived at by consensus :-) and should therefore have a pretty good grasp of these policies (or at least know where to look them up or whom to ask for help), should have hi-speed Internet access (especially here at the Commons: image loading over a 48kbit dial-up takes ages!), and should have a basic grasp of copyrights (and more importantly, a good grasp of where the limits of his or her knowledge in that area are!)
Does that answer your question? Lupo 14:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your answer warrants my opposition. I could not contact you while I was too busy with other things. The moral support is never a written criterion.--Jusjih 14:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My allegiance as User:Lupo is to the Wikimedia project, not to what you or someone else considers a "reasonable balance" (what a loaded concept!). Adminship does not entail any obligation to partake in or to support (morally or otherwise) any political campaign. Cheers, Lupo 14:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
P.S.: it would nice if you could answer my question to you (not here, on my talk page, please). Lupo 14:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do not really under stand Jusjih's opposition. And I also do not understand your "moral support" passage. Could you explain that, Jusjih? --ALE! ¿…? 09:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My "moral support" passage is to further support the Mission Statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. Even though you supporters do not have to agree my thought, for now I cannot change my opposition. A Chinese phrase regarding voting says: "The minority is to obey the majority. The majority is to respect the minority." (少數服從多數。多數尊重少數。) As you make your support, please respect any valid opposition(s) as well so we have reciprocal respects. I hope that I have answered your question, ALE!--Jusjih 12:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can of course vote as you wish. I just don't get your point. --ALE! ¿…? 10:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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