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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Thanks, Robert.

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Two questions, a
few on WikiLeaks.

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What was the President's
reaction once he heard

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about the leaking --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I remember talking to
the President sometime last

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week after discussions with
news organizations that these

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stories were coming.

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Look, I think our reaction
to this type of material,

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a breach of federal
law, is always the same,

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and that is whenever you have
the potential for names and for

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operations and for programs
to be out there in the public

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domain, that it -- besides
being against the law -- has a

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potential to be very harmful to
those that are in our military,

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those that are cooperating
with our military,

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and those that are
working to keep us safe.

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The Press:
Well, I mean, was he
personally angered by this?

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Did he demand answers
or an investigation?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, there is an ongoing
investigation that predated

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the end of last week
into leaks of highly

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classified secret documents.

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The Press:
Does the White House believe
that the documents raise doubts

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about whether Pakistan
is a reliable partner

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in fighting terrorism?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, let's understand a few
things about the documents.

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Based on what we've seen, I
don't think that what is being

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reported hasn't in many ways
been publicly discussed either

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by you all or by representatives
of the U.S. government for

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quite some time.

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We have certainly known about
safe havens in Pakistan;

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we have been concerned about
civilian casualties for quite

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some time -- and on both of
those aspects we've taken steps

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to make improvements.

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I think just the last time
General Petreaus testified in

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front of the Senate there was a
fairly robust discussion about

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the historical relationships
that have been had between the

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Taliban and Pakistan's
intelligence services.

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The Press:
So no doubts about Pakistan's
trustworthiness or reliability?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, look, I think the
President was clear back in

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March of 2009 that there was
no blank check for Pakistan,

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that Pakistan had to change
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it had to make progress
on safe havens.

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Look, it's in the interest
of the Pakistanis because we

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certainly saw last year those
extremists that enjoy the safe

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haven there turning their
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That's why you've seen Pakistan
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extremists in Swat and
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But at the same time, even
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we understand that the status
quo is not acceptable and that

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we have to continue
moving this relationship

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in the right direction.

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The Press:
One more quickly on this.

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What do you think this says
about the ability of the

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government to protect
confidential information

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if a breach like this can occur?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think there is
no doubt that this is a

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concerning development
in operational security.

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And as we said earlier, it is
-- it poses a very real and

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potential threat to those that
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keep us safe.

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The Press:
I wanted to ask you quickly
about Congressman Rangel and

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the ethics charges that he faces.

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Is it the preference of the
White House that he reach a deal

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and put this behind
him, put it behind --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Ben, I don't have
anything on that.

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I've been focused
on the WikiLeaks.

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The Press:
Are you worried that will be
a distraction if it carries

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on to September?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't -- let me get
some information on that.

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The Press:
On the WikiLeaks, one of
the questions that this

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raises is whether it makes
sense for the United States to

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continue to give billions of
dollars of aid to Pakistan if

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they are helping the Taliban.

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And I'm wondering if that's a
concern and what you think.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, as I said a
minute ago, on March 27, 2009,

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the President said, "After
years of mixed results we

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will not and cannot
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Pakistan must demonstrate
its commitment to rooting

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out al Qaeda and the violent
extremists within its borders."

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Again, I am not going to stand
here on July the 26th and tell

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you that all is well.

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I will tell you that we have
made progress in moving this

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relationship forward; in
having the Pakistanis,

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as I said earlier, address
the issue of safe havens,

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the issue of extremists
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undertaking operations, again,
in Swat and in South Waziristan

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-- because over the course of
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half, what the Pakistanis have
found is that the extremists

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that once enjoyed complete safe
haven in parts of their country

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now threaten their country.

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So they've taken steps.

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We want to continue to work
with them to take more steps.

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We understand that we are in
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of what happened on 9/11; that
ensuring that there is not a

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safe haven in Afghanistan by
which attacks against this

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country and countries around
the world can be planned.

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That's why we're there and
that's why we're going to

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continue to make progress
on this relationship.

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The Press:
A blank check is one thing,

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but is there enough progress
there to justify the aid that

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is being given to them?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, look, we -- I think
it was -- even if you look

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at some of the comments the
Secretary of State made just

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last week in Pakistan, our
criticism has been relayed both

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publicly and privately and
we will continue to do so

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in order to move this
relationship forward.

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The Press:
And I know you're
unhappy about the leak,

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but could you talk about how
that part of the issue was

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characterized in the memos and
whether you think it's accurate?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Which --

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The Press:
In terms of Pakistan's role.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, again, I would point you
to -- as I said a minute ago,

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I don't know that what is being
said or what is being reported

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isn't something that hasn't
been discussed fairly publicly,

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again, by named U.S. officials
and in many news stories.

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I mean, The New York Times had a
story on this topic in March of

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2009 written by
the same authors.

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The Press:
Shifting gears, I also
want to ask you where

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things stand with the
consumer regulator decision.

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How soon is the President
going to make a decision?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't have an update on
the timeline from last week

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in which I said I did not think
that things were immediate.

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I know that the President will
look at this job and at several

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other jobs that are created
as part of this legislation

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and make an announcement.

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The Press:
And what criteria is he
going to be looking at?

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I know you don't want to talk
publicly about the strengths and

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weaknesses of the
candidates, but --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think
we've got a number of -- as

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we've talked about here and
with many of you on the phone,

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I think we've got
many good candidates.

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And, again, I think if you look
back at the reason that the

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President and the team wanted to
create a bureau that dealt with

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consumer issues, because even as
we look back at the debate and

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look back at the issues that
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most people's interaction with
the financial system is not on a

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Wall Street trading level.

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It's in getting a loan.

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It's in getting the capital
to create or expand a small

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business to buy a home.

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And I think ensuring that there
are protections for those on

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Main Street in order to interact
on a daily basis with the

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financial system are
tremendously important.

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The Press:
Is Wall Street's opposition to
Warren going to be weighed in

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the decision-making process?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I said this last week
and I'll repeat it again.

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I think Elizabeth Warren
is a terrific candidate.

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I don't think any criticism
in any way by anybody would

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disqualify her and I think
she is very confirmable

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for this job.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert back on WikiLeaks.

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A couple of times now, you've
said in the last couple of

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moments that a lot of this
information is not really new,

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that named U.S. government
officials have said some of

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this same information publicly.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I'm not saying it's -- yes,

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I said there weren't any new
revelations in the material.

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The Press:
So how does it harm
national security if

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we've known this already?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, because you've got
-- it's not the content as

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much as it is their names, their
operations, there's logistics,

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there are sources -- all of that
information out in a public way

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has the potential,
Ed, to do harm.

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If somebody is cooperating with
the federal government and their

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name is listed in
an action report,

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I don't think it's a stretch
to believe that that could

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potentially put a group
or an individual at great

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personal risk.

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The Press:
But is part of the
concern as well that this is

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going to embarrass government
officials because maybe the war

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in Afghanistan is a lot worse
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the previous
administration let on?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, Ed, that's
why I would go back to my

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first point, which is in
terms of broad revelations,

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there aren't any that we
see in these documents.

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And let's understand this --
when you talk about the way the

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war is going in Afghanistan, the
documents purportedly cover from

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I think January of
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I can't speak for the conduct
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perspective for
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I do know that when the
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2009, he, in the
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ordered an increase in the
number of out troops -- having

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spent two years talking about
how our efforts in Afghanistan

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were greatly under-resourced --
increased resources and troops

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to provide security for
an election, and then,

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as you well know, conducted
a fairly comprehensive and

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painstaking review
of our policy,

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which resulted in December
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direction in Afghanistan.

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And I would say this: We came in
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Pakistan as a region, not as
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countries, which put emphasis
on our relationship and the

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actions of Pakistan.

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The Press:
Right, but even if there
was a new policy put in

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place in December of 2009, does
that erase the mistakes that may

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have been made years
in advance of that --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, of course not --

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The Press:
-- how can that -- but
do these documents then

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suggest that this war
is too far gone --

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Mr. Gibbs:
No --

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The Press:
-- to turn around
with one policy change?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I don't in any way
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that and I haven't seen
anybody to suggest that --

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except to say this, Ed, we
agree that the direction --

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this administration spent a
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campaigning to be this
administration and saying

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that the way that the
war had been prosecuted,

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the resources that hadn't been
devoted to it threatened our

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national security.

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Remember, we had a fairly grand
debate about whether or not the

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central front in this war
was Iraq or Afghanistan.

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We weighed in pretty heavily on
Afghanistan because for years

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and years and years, more troops
were needed -- more troops

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actually had been requested
by the commanding general,

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but no troops were forthcoming.

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That's why the President
increased our number of troops,

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heading into an important
election period,

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and why we took steps
through a, again,

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painstaking and
comprehensive review,

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to come up with a new strategy.

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The Press:
But even after that
painstaking review,

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these documents are suggesting
that the Pakistani government

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has representatives of its spy
agency essentially meeting

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representatives of the Taliban,
plotting to attack American

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soldiers and Afghan officials.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me just make sure --

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The Press:
How can that suggest
the war is going well?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no -- you're
conflating about

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seven issues into one question.

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But let's be clear, Ed.

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I don't think -- let me
finish, let me finish --

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The Press:
If Pakistani officials are
working with the Taliban,

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how can the
war be going well?

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That's one question.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, Ed, I'm saying that
the war -- the direction of

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our relationship with Pakistan,
based on steps that we've asked

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them to take, has improved
that relationship -- right?

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The Press:
Okay, because last week
Secretary Clinton said

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that the U.S. and
Pakistan are "partners

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joined in common cause."

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes.

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The Press:
Despite these documents,
the U.S. and Pakistan are

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joined in common cause?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, in fighting, as I just
mentioned a few moments ago,

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in fighting extremists
that are within that border.

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Again, go back to last year,

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Ed. Remember last year?

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The Press:
Sure.

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Mr. Gibbs:
When those extremists decided
that they were going to march

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on the capital in Pakistan?

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That became a
threat to Pakistan.

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For the first time ever, you saw
Pakistan fighting back against

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violent extremists that had
otherwise enjoyed safe havens.

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When General Jones refers to in
his statement the actions that

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they took in Swat
and South Waziristan,

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that's exactly what
we're talking about.

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The point I'd make on the
premise of your question,

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understand that the documents
go through December of 2009.

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I don't know if you meant to
conflate actions -- let's just

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say that the documents --

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The Press:
Well, have the actions stopped?

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Do we know for sure that
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is no longer working --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, these documents --

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The Press:
-- with the Taliban?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think they're making
progress, and again,

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I'd refer to you --

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The Press:
Making progress but
it has not ended even

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after December 2009?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, again, I would you
point you to the hearing

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that was conducted just a month
ago, less than a month ago,

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with General Petraeus where
this was talked about.

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Ed, nobody is here to declare
"mission accomplished."

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You've not heard that phrase
uttered or emitted by us

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as a way of saying that
everything is going well.

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Understand this, that we got
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world after September 11th,
and then for years and years

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and years and years,
this area was neglected,

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it was under-resourced,
it was underfunded.

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That's what led the President
to say that what we needed to

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do was focus on what was
going on in Afghanistan.

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That's why we're here.

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Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
Two questions, Robert.

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The first one is, given the
apparent ease that Mr. Manning

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was able to obtain and
transfer these documents,

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has the White House or anyone of
the administration ordered any

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kind of immediate change to
make sure that this is not --

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Mr. Gibbs:
I would point you to the
Department of Defense,

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that you should be able to
discuss what changes they've

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made in operational security.

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The Press:
Do you have any insight
into what Mr. Manning may

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have been motivated by?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Not personally, no.

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I don't know if the
Department of Defense

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would have something on that.

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The Press:
And in terms of the
President's reaction,

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can you give us any kind
of insight in terms of,

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was he angry, was he
concerned, was he worried?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, again, I think
any time in which more than

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90,000 top secret documents,
which are against the law for

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me to give to you, would -- I
think it would be safe to say

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it's alarming to find 90,000
of them published on a website.

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The Press:
Last question,
also on Ms. Sherrod.

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I wondered if you had any word
on whether she'll accept the

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job that's been offered and if
there's any time frame for that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's a question for her.

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The Press:
Following up on -- I think I
know how you feel about this,

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but the conventional wisdom in
Washington is that the White

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House is trying to keep the
focus on the release of the

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documents rather than
what's in the documents.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no --

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The Press:
You say the President is very
concerned with this release,

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this breach of federal law.

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But is he concerned with
evidence in these documents

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about civilian casualties, about
cooperation between the Taliban

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and the ISI?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Chip, let's be clear.

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Again, the statements that the
President made in March of 2009

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very much understand the
complicating aspects of our

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relationship with both of these
two countries, the existence of,

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as I said, historical
relationships between the

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Taliban and Pakistani
intelligence.

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And, look, during the recent
debate about General McChrystal,

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remember a decent part of the
Rolling Stone article discusses

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frustration within our own
military about rules of

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engagement around
civilian casualties.

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So we're not trying to either
conventionally -- through

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conventional wisdom trying
to deflect anything.

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What I'm merely saying
is that what has been,

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I think what is known, about our
relationship and our efforts in

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both Afghanistan and Pakistan
are not markedly changed by what

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is in these documents.

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In fact, I think if, again,
you go back to March of 2009,

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what the President says, we are
clearly taking steps to make

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progress in dealing with
Pakistan's safe havens;

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certainly dealing with
civilian casualties.

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We all know that in efforts like
this to win hearts and minds,

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you're certainly not going to
do that with innocent civilians

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caught tragically
in the crossfire.

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The Press:
In reading these documents, if
they're true, you can't help but

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be shocked by what you read in
here about some of the horrible

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things that have happened.

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Has the President read enough
of it himself to be shocked

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and horrified by it?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know -- look,
Chip, I want to be clear.

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The President does not need to
read a leaked document on the

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Internet today to be shocked
and horrified by unnecessary

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-- and every civilian
casualty is unnecessary --

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casualty of innocent life.

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We can go back -- and I've been
asked about them inside this

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briefing room for well over
a year -- times in which our

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commander at that point,
General McChrystal,

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Ambassador Eikenberry and former
General Eikenberry had gone to

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see different places around
Afghanistan that had seen

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horrific civilian casualties.

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Look, each and every -- as I
said, each and every casualty,

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innocent civilian casualty is
a tragedy and it makes the job

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against the extremists
much, much harder.

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The Press:
On the -- does the
President believe

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that the release of these
documents has harmed or will

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harm the war effort overall?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I think anytime
in which you potentially

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put those that could be --
whose names could be in

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these documents, missions
and operations -- Chip,

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documents are classified and
rated secret for a reason.

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And I think that's the law.

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The Press:
So this is -- it's a
setback to the war effort?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, I think it's concerning that you have -- you certainly have

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operational security concerns.

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Again, I think many of our
challenges in both Afghanistan

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and Pakistan are the same
today as they were last week.

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I don't think anybody would tell
you that they anticipate that

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progress isn't going to be
slow and difficult in both

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of these two countries.

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That's why --

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The Press:
I'm still unclear on
where you are on this.

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I mean, it's a pretty
fundamental question.

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Do these documents constitute
a setback to the war effort

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in Afghanistan?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think they constitute a

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potential national
security concern.

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Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
The White House has made a
point to say that WikiLeaks

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is not an objective news outlet,

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but rather an organization that
opposes U.S. policy in Afghanistan.

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I just wonder if you could
explain how that's relevant to

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the accuracy of the documents.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think that the
founder of WikiLeaks,

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if I read his interviews
correctly today,

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comparing troops in Afghanistan
to the secret East German police

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as -- certainly something that
we would fundamentally disagree

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with and something that
has -- somebody that

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clearly has an agenda.

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The Press:
That may be the case, but
does that in any way impact

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the accuracy of these documents?

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For example, are you suggesting
they selectively held back

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documents that would be
more favorable to the U.S.?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Savannah, I don't -- I'm
not afforded -- nobody in

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this government was afforded the
opportunity to see what they do

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or don't have.

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I don't know that that question
is relevant for me as much as it

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is for him.

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The Press:
I just wondered if by
making this point you're

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trying to I guess attack the
credibility of the documents

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that are out there.

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Mr. Gibbs:
No, no --

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The Press:
I mean, other news organizations --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I have not --
I certainly have not

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reviewed 90,000 documents.

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This got brought to
us late last week.

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Again, the coverage I read off
of the news documents doesn't

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I think materially change the
challenges that we have in each

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of these two countries.

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As I said a second ago, I don't
think the challenges that you

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would have listed on a piece of
paper this time last week are,

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quite honestly, different
based on what we read in

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this documents at
this time this week.

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I think the challenges that
we've had and the historical

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relationships with Pakistan
intelligence and the Taliban

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were certainly something
we were working to address.

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So it's not -- that in and
of itself isn't a surprise.

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Working on safe havens in
Pakistan and their impact

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on our efforts in the war --
all of those things -- I think

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all of those things many
of you all have covered.

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The Press:
Is the administration confident
it has the leaker in custody?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not going to get into
discussing the aspects of

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the investigation
that's ongoing.

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Yes, sir.

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The Press:
Robert, do you think --
do you have any comment

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on the position taken by the
U.S. government in the letter

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written by Richard LeBaron,
deputy chief of the U.S.

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embassy in London, eight days
before the Megrahi release,

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where in the U.S.
supposedly preferred

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the use of compassionate
release over prisoner transfer

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agreement, and do you have
plans to release that?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let's be clear.

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One, I think the letter
has been released by

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the State Department.

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Two, there was not a preference
-- the preference that was

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enunciated in this letter, the
preference that was enunciated

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in the President's call
to Prime Minister Brown,

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the preference enunciated by
John Brennan and others who

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contacted the Scots directly
was that al-Megrahi should

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not be released.

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We think that was the right
decision not to -- we think the

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decision not to release him,
we agree with that today;

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that's what we publicly
stated prior to the release.

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The letter says -- and I think
this is borne out if you look at

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the pictures of what happened --
in the event that the Scots make

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the decision that we do not
think they should make,

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whatever you do, do not
let him travel to Libya.

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Do not let him have a
hero's welcome coming home.

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We also -- and I think the
letter clearly states -- and I'm

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not sure this was covered in the
Sunday Times -- which was we

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asked for an independent medical
examination of Megrahi to ensure

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that the medical representation
about having only three months

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to live was indeed
supported independently.

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The preference enunciated by
every level of this government

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was for him to continue to
serve the sentence that he

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was serving until he died.

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Jonathan.

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The Press:
Could you tell me what
effort the White House has

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made before the publication
of the WikiLeak documents,

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and after, to try to contain
any political fallout?

468
00:25:47,867 --> 00:25:50,167
Any outreach to Capitol Hill?

469
00:25:50,166 --> 00:25:53,266
Any efforts by General Jones or
anyone else from the National

470
00:25:53,266 --> 00:25:54,596
Security Council --

471
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,300
Mr. Gibbs:
Jonathan, we certainly,

472
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:02,870
when we learned of the story,
notified relevant committees

473
00:26:02,867 --> 00:26:06,467
on Capitol Hill that
these documents were

474
00:26:06,467 --> 00:26:07,697
about to go online.

475
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:11,770
I don't know that I would --
I wouldn't put that under the

476
00:26:11,767 --> 00:26:14,237
rubric of containing
political damage.

477
00:26:14,233 --> 00:26:18,533
I would put that under the
rubric of understanding that

478
00:26:18,533 --> 00:26:23,963
90,000 documents dating
back to January of 2004,

479
00:26:23,967 --> 00:26:27,467
which traditionally don't become
public, were about to be,

480
00:26:27,467 --> 00:26:29,867
and Capitol Hill was notified.

481
00:26:29,867 --> 00:26:33,667
The Press:
And what efforts -- I know
that you met with the Times.

482
00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:37,537
What efforts did you make to try
to get in touch with Assange or

483
00:26:37,533 --> 00:26:40,003
any of the WikiLeak people?

484
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,670
Mr. Gibbs:
They are not in touch with us.

485
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:50,197
The only effort that I made in
discussing -- the only effort

486
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,700
that I made with the Times --
who I will say came to us,

487
00:26:54,700 --> 00:27:01,000
I think handled this story in a
responsible way -- I passed a

488
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,170
message through the writers at
the New York Times to the head

489
00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:12,336
of WikiLeaks to redact
information that could harm

490
00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:15,763
personnel or threaten
operations or security.

491
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:19,097
And I think that's in their
story, in the Times story today.

492
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,570
The Press:
And one last question.

493
00:27:20,567 --> 00:27:22,597
You mentioned at the
beginning of this

494
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,370
briefing an investigation
into improper leaking of

495
00:27:27,367 --> 00:27:29,137
classified information.

496
00:27:29,133 --> 00:27:32,063
Is WikiLeaks part of
that investigation?

497
00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:35,296
Mr. Gibbs:
There is an ongoing
investigation as to

498
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,530
this leak, yes.

499
00:27:37,533 --> 00:27:39,403
The Press:
Is that the Manning investigation?

500
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,630
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not going to get into that.

501
00:27:40,633 --> 00:27:42,433
Nice try.

502
00:27:42,433 --> 00:27:44,903
The Press:
Robert, did you try to get The
New York Times not to publish?

503
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:47,370
Mr. Gibbs:
No, never asked them that.

504
00:27:47,367 --> 00:27:50,497
Let's understand a few things.

505
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,930
The New York Times didn't
publish the documents;

506
00:27:52,934 --> 00:27:58,834
WikiLeaks published
the documents.

507
00:27:58,834 --> 00:28:03,064
I will say this, had only The
New York Times had this story,

508
00:28:03,066 --> 00:28:05,966
would we have made a
case and an effort,

509
00:28:05,967 --> 00:28:10,297
as we have with them and
other news organizations,

510
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,530
not to compromise security? Yes.

511
00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:16,833
But understand that the Times
was one -- The New York Times

512
00:28:16,834 --> 00:28:19,964
was one of three news
organizations that had

513
00:28:19,967 --> 00:28:22,137
access to these documents.

514
00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:27,863
We got questions from -- I
believe on Friday -- from

515
00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:32,437
Der Spiegel, and met with --
Tommy Vietor, Ben Rhodes,

516
00:28:32,433 --> 00:28:36,033
and I met with The New
York Times on Thursday.

517
00:28:36,033 --> 00:28:36,733
Yes, sir.

518
00:28:36,734 --> 00:28:39,234
The Press:
Robert, can you talk a
little bit about any White

519
00:28:39,233 --> 00:28:44,303
House concern about support for
the war being possibly eroded by

520
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:45,100
the leaks here?

521
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:46,570
Have you done any
sort of assessment?

522
00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:47,597
What's your thinking on that?

523
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,270
Mr. Gibbs:
No, again, Roger, I go back
to the point that I made to

524
00:28:50,266 --> 00:28:51,166
Savannah and others.

525
00:28:51,166 --> 00:28:54,066
I think if you took
out a piece of paper,

526
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:58,436
certainly if -- the President's
monthly AfPak reviews will

527
00:28:58,433 --> 00:29:03,163
happen on Thursday down
in the Situation Room.

528
00:29:03,166 --> 00:29:09,736
I'm unaware of a list of
concerns that would be different

529
00:29:09,734 --> 00:29:14,864
today than they were a week
ago based on what we've seen.

530
00:29:14,867 --> 00:29:22,037
I don't -- again, I don't see
broad new revelations that we

531
00:29:22,033 --> 00:29:26,703
weren't either concerned about
and working through this time

532
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:30,970
a week ago.

533
00:29:30,967 --> 00:29:32,937
The Press:
I'll switch the topic. BP.

534
00:29:32,934 --> 00:29:36,734
Has the President been informed
of corporate changes on their --

535
00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:38,534
what can you say
about that or --

536
00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:42,463
Mr. Gibbs:
I would have you talk to
BP about personnel changes

537
00:29:42,467 --> 00:29:46,467
that they're going to
make, if they make them.

538
00:29:46,467 --> 00:29:58,297
I will say this: The CEO of BP,
the current CEO, Tony Hayward,

539
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,900
if he makes the decision or the
board makes the decision for him

540
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,470
to leave, that's one thing.

541
00:30:04,467 --> 00:30:11,297
What is clear is BP cannot,
should not, and will not,

542
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:18,930
leave the Gulf without meeting
its responsibility to plug the

543
00:30:18,934 --> 00:30:24,564
well, to clean up the
damage that's been caused,

544
00:30:24,567 --> 00:30:28,837
and to compensate those
that have been damaged.

545
00:30:28,834 --> 00:30:32,404
I think that is -- that
is the most important

546
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,370
lesson out of here.

547
00:30:33,367 --> 00:30:38,067
There are obligations and
responsibilities as the

548
00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:40,666
responsible party that BP has.

549
00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:43,397
And regardless of who
leads the company,

550
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,330
those obligations and
responsibilities must be met.

551
00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:48,803
The Press:
Do you have some doubt that
they won't carry those out?

552
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Mr. Gibbs:
It's not ours to doubt.

553
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,270
It is ours to ensure
that it happens.

554
00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:55,136
Major.

555
00:30:55,133 --> 00:30:56,003
The Press:
Speaking of the spill, Robert,

556
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,800
it was disclosed over the
weekend that you -- the White

557
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,230
House is sending some folks down
to Florida -- one to Mississippi

558
00:31:01,233 --> 00:31:02,903
and I think one to Alabama --

559
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:04,070
Mr. Gibbs:
Those numbers are wrong.

560
00:31:04,066 --> 00:31:05,466
I can get you better numbers.

561
00:31:05,467 --> 00:31:06,467
We sent --

562
00:31:06,467 --> 00:31:07,597
The Press:
What's the purpose?

563
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,700
Mr. Gibbs:
To improve intergovernmental
relations and to improve --

564
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:16,930
I dare say I've gotten
more than a few emails

565
00:31:16,934 --> 00:31:19,864
from your news organizations
about the inability to get

566
00:31:19,867 --> 00:31:23,037
information from the
Joint Information Center.

567
00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:25,563
We've got people that are down
at the Joint Information Center;

568
00:31:25,567 --> 00:31:27,167
we've got people in each state.

569
00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:33,036
And, look, I think if you look
at the progress of our response

570
00:31:33,033 --> 00:31:37,533
to the disaster --
go back a few weeks,

571
00:31:37,533 --> 00:31:45,703
and I forget the exact timeline,
but oil gets into a bay that is

572
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,700
shared by both Alabama
and Florida, right?

573
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,470
The western -- or the
easternmost county in Alabama,

574
00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:54,337
Baldwin County, is notified.

575
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:58,333
The westernmost county in
Florida, Volusia is not -- okay?

576
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:02,933
A breakdown in communications
from the incident command to

577
00:32:02,934 --> 00:32:04,334
the local level.

578
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:09,503
Out of that we put on-scene
coordinators in each of the

579
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:15,800
four affected states and have
broadened our ability to ensure

580
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,570
that what is happening
at a Coast Guard level,

581
00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:20,737
what is happening at a
direct response level,

582
00:32:20,734 --> 00:32:26,704
gets down to local
elected officials.

583
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:28,400
The Press:
But the numbers are wrong?

584
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,670
Mr. Gibbs:
I can get updated numbers
on where people went.

585
00:32:30,667 --> 00:32:32,367
The Press:
Back to WikiLeaks.

586
00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:35,737
Is it your belief that
the documents themselves,

587
00:32:35,734 --> 00:32:37,834
to the degree you've either been
briefed about them or they've

588
00:32:37,834 --> 00:32:39,934
been described to you by people
who know a little bit more than

589
00:32:39,934 --> 00:32:43,104
you do, are authentic?

590
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:47,600
Mr. Gibbs:
I think we've acted
as if they were.

591
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,600
The Press:
Okay.

592
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,870
There have been some who've
talked about it and say these

593
00:32:50,867 --> 00:32:54,737
things should be viewed
by the public as it,

594
00:32:54,734 --> 00:32:56,804
to the degree it does, goes
through them with some degree

595
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,600
of skepticism because they
are, by nature, fragmentary.

596
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,030
They develop or talk about
one certain episode or --

597
00:33:03,033 --> 00:33:04,263
Mr. Gibbs:
Right.

598
00:33:04,266 --> 00:33:07,136
The Press:
What would you as spokesman
for the White House advise the

599
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:09,833
public who may be running
through these things and

600
00:33:09,834 --> 00:33:13,364
taking them in, in some
degree of interest --

601
00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:14,367
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look --

602
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:16,137
The Press:
-- what is your overall

603
00:33:16,133 --> 00:33:18,033
assessment of how much is true?

604
00:33:18,033 --> 00:33:19,033
What's not true?

605
00:33:19,033 --> 00:33:20,103
Mostly true, mostly untrue?

606
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,230
How should they weigh this?

607
00:33:22,233 --> 00:33:27,663
Mr. Gibbs:
I think these are --
I think I'm, Major,

608
00:33:27,667 --> 00:33:30,697
not going to play that broad
a role except to say that I

609
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:35,970
think obviously this is
on-the-ground reporting.

610
00:33:35,967 --> 00:33:38,467
What is unclear, certainly, if
you read through the stories,

611
00:33:38,467 --> 00:33:41,067
is whether some of the
events that they think

612
00:33:41,066 --> 00:33:43,466
might happen happened.

613
00:33:43,467 --> 00:33:47,737
But, again, I think the -- I
would sum this up the way I

614
00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:53,034
summed it up a little bit ago,
and that is that what -- the

615
00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:56,633
concerns that are in these
documents -- and they're

616
00:33:56,633 --> 00:33:58,663
important concerns; they're
concerns that we've certainly

617
00:33:58,667 --> 00:34:03,037
dealt with since the time we've
been here and certainly as it

618
00:34:03,033 --> 00:34:05,433
related to Afghanistan
and Pakistan,

619
00:34:05,433 --> 00:34:08,603
what precipitated the
administration from doing a

620
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,430
comprehensive review about
our policy in both areas.

621
00:34:13,433 --> 00:34:18,433
That is -- our goal
is to get this right.

622
00:34:18,433 --> 00:34:23,403
Our goal is to keep America safe
and to ensure that -- and ensure

623
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,330
the safety of those that are
conducting these operations.

624
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:28,733
The Press:
Let me take it from a
different point of view.

625
00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:32,204
There are some -- and this was
part of the subtext or one of

626
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,100
the subtexts of the Washington
Post's lengthy series last week

627
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,930
-- that maybe too many
things are kept secret.

628
00:34:37,934 --> 00:34:39,964
Some might look at these
documents and say do these

629
00:34:39,967 --> 00:34:41,997
all need to be top secret?

630
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,200
Is all this information
really that vital,

631
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,670
really that sensitive to
American national security

632
00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:49,667
that these should
all be top secret?

633
00:34:49,667 --> 00:34:50,997
Do you have any
evaluation of that?

634
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,130
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, I think that
is -- those are made on a

635
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:57,803
document-by-document basis.

636
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:03,200
I'm not an expert in the
classification process.

637
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,070
Look, obviously if you -- I
think the President would

638
00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:12,596
always lean on the American
people knowing as much as

639
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,230
they possibly can.

640
00:35:14,233 --> 00:35:16,133
Look, I think if you --

641
00:35:16,133 --> 00:35:17,463
The Press:
-- not this time.

642
00:35:17,467 --> 00:35:18,537
Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, no, no.

643
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:19,503
Hold on, let's be clear.

644
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:26,100
Go back to the 12 or so meetings
held in the Situation Room.

645
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,030
We announced every one.

646
00:35:28,033 --> 00:35:29,333
We had readouts from every one.

647
00:35:29,333 --> 00:35:32,063
Lord knows, you had readouts
beyond the readouts from each

648
00:35:32,066 --> 00:35:32,966
and every one.

649
00:35:32,967 --> 00:35:34,167
There were photos from each.

650
00:35:34,166 --> 00:35:38,666
We didn't exactly have a
cloistered evaluation of our

651
00:35:38,667 --> 00:35:41,137
policy in Afghanistan
and Pakistan.

652
00:35:41,133 --> 00:35:43,203
That's not the way
we've operated.

653
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,530
And, again, I think
it's -- let's be clear,

654
00:35:47,533 --> 00:35:51,563
and I want to make sure that I'm
clear on this -- based on the

655
00:35:51,567 --> 00:35:54,337
fact that there's nothing --
there's no broad new revelations

656
00:35:54,333 --> 00:36:01,603
in this, our concern isn't that
people might know that we're

657
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,670
concerned about safe
havens in Pakistan,

658
00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:09,237
or that we're concerned, as we
are, about civilian casualties.

659
00:36:09,233 --> 00:36:12,903
Lord, all you need is a laptop
and a mouse to figure that out,

660
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:18,900
or 50 cents or $1.50, depending
on which newspaper you buy.

661
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:25,230
I don't think that is,
in a sense, top secret.

662
00:36:25,233 --> 00:36:28,833
But what generally governs
the classification of these

663
00:36:28,834 --> 00:36:32,734
documents are names,
operations, personnel,

664
00:36:32,734 --> 00:36:38,804
people that are cooperating --
all of which if it's compromised

665
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,900
has a compromising
effect on our security.

666
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,670
The Press:
And can you explain the
precipitating factor for

667
00:36:44,667 --> 00:36:47,397
the al-Megrahi letter?

668
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,170
Mr. Gibbs:
I just have a copy of it.

669
00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:51,366
I don't know --
I assume -- look,

670
00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:54,137
at this point -- and this is
some conjecture on my part --

671
00:36:54,133 --> 00:36:59,933
at this point, this is a
fairly public process.

672
00:36:59,934 --> 00:37:05,334
I don't know what exactly
lead to this letter.

673
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:10,363
I know the letter speaks quite
clearly to our preference,

674
00:37:10,367 --> 00:37:13,097
strong preference, as
communicated both in this

675
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:18,070
letter and in conversations
that we had directly with the

676
00:37:18,066 --> 00:37:22,636
government there, that Megrahi
should not be released.

677
00:37:22,633 --> 00:37:23,733
Yes, sir.

678
00:37:23,734 --> 00:37:26,934
The Press:
Robert, take your premise
that there is nothing really

679
00:37:26,934 --> 00:37:29,464
new in these documents
that broadly says something

680
00:37:29,467 --> 00:37:31,137
different than what
we already knew.

681
00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:34,263
There are many examples in
Washington where the same thing

682
00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:37,596
can be said and that a
precipitating event like this

683
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,770
causes political shockwaves
that change the dynamic.

684
00:37:42,767 --> 00:37:44,967
Mr. Gibbs:
I think you're talking about
the media culture, aren't you?

685
00:37:44,967 --> 00:37:47,137
The Press:
Well, perhaps.

686
00:37:47,133 --> 00:37:49,233
But we know there's
some interaction there.

687
00:37:49,233 --> 00:37:52,203
So I guess the question is
-- and it sort of goes back

688
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,800
to Jonathan's, which I
don't think you answered,

689
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,600
which is are you all
doing anything --

690
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,130
Mr. Gibbs:
No, I answered
Jonathan's question.

691
00:37:58,133 --> 00:38:00,133
The Press:
You answered the first part,

692
00:38:00,133 --> 00:38:02,203
but not the second part, which
was have you done anything since

693
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,230
the documents -- since the
documents were released this

694
00:38:04,233 --> 00:38:11,363
morning to try to assess whether
or not these documents provide

695
00:38:11,367 --> 00:38:15,537
any ammunition to your
critics, any political --

696
00:38:15,533 --> 00:38:17,333
Mr. Gibbs:
Critics like who?

697
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:20,403
The Press:
Well, there are critics
of the Afghanistan war,

698
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,500
increasingly people who are
uncomfortable with it even

699
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,970
in the Republican Party.

700
00:38:25,967 --> 00:38:29,397
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't know if -- I don't
know every call that's

701
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,630
been made out of here.

702
00:38:30,633 --> 00:38:32,603
What I was trying to do was
decouple the fact that we

703
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,300
notified Congress that 90,000
documents are about to be put

704
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:39,400
on a website that were, up until
the moment that they go live,

705
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,600
were classified documents is
part of what is generally

706
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,400
assumed to be our
notification process.

707
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:54,370
Look, I don't know of -- I
certainly have not heard of a

708
00:38:54,367 --> 00:38:59,867
broad effort relating to
what you're talking about.

709
00:38:59,867 --> 00:39:03,467
The Press:
Robert, I'll change
the subject, too.

710
00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:05,767
The President I guess is going
to make a statement about the

711
00:39:05,767 --> 00:39:07,737
DISCLOSE Act today.

712
00:39:07,734 --> 00:39:10,634
And given that that's coming
up in the Senate tomorrow and

713
00:39:10,633 --> 00:39:13,833
you're not expected to get 60
votes -- he campaigned a lot

714
00:39:13,834 --> 00:39:19,634
about corporate influence in
elections and 527s and the like

715
00:39:19,633 --> 00:39:22,763
and for more disclosure -- do
you feel like the administration

716
00:39:22,767 --> 00:39:29,597
sort of miscalculated
or misunderestimated --

717
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,630
(laughter)

718
00:39:31,633 --> 00:39:33,763
-- the extent of opposition
there would be to trying to

719
00:39:33,767 --> 00:39:36,137
crack down on corporate giving?

720
00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:39,863
Mr. Gibbs:
You mean from Republicans?

721
00:39:39,867 --> 00:39:41,497
The Press:
And? Just Republicans?

722
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,500
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I don't know what
the final vote will be

723
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:51,430
tomorrow, but I know that if you
had a sliver of Republicans that

724
00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:53,933
thought special interest giving
and corporate influence in

725
00:39:53,934 --> 00:39:57,264
elections was part
of the problem,

726
00:39:57,266 --> 00:40:01,336
then this bill would pass.

727
00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:03,163
The Press:
-- alterations to the
legislation sought by

728
00:40:03,166 --> 00:40:03,896
some groups on the left.

729
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:04,500
Mr. Gibbs:
Pardon me?

730
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:05,970
The Press:
There have been alterations to
the legislation in the Senate

731
00:40:05,967 --> 00:40:07,637
and the House by some
groups on the left as well.

732
00:40:07,633 --> 00:40:10,233
Mr. Gibbs:
There's a legislative process
and then there's a vote, Major.

733
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:12,833
In a vote, you get to
decide what side you're on.

734
00:40:12,834 --> 00:40:15,764
It's the beauty of voting
-- it's called choosing.

735
00:40:15,767 --> 00:40:17,997
You get to decide whether or not
you think there is too much --

736
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,670
The Press:
Yes, but in the legislative
process objections from the

737
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:20,967
left did arise.

738
00:40:20,967 --> 00:40:23,797
Mr. Gibbs:
And they're supportive
of the legislation.

739
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,600
Now we get to see --

740
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,000
The Press:
After they got their --

741
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,270
Mr. Gibbs:
Now we get to see who in
the Senate is -- who in the

742
00:40:30,266 --> 00:40:32,966
Senate thinks there's too much
corporate influence and too much

743
00:40:32,967 --> 00:40:35,337
special interest money that
dominate our elections,

744
00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:37,003
and who doesn't.

745
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,170
I don't know how it could
be any clearer than that.

746
00:40:40,166 --> 00:40:42,366
The Press:
Well, especially in the
wake of Citizens United,

747
00:40:42,367 --> 00:40:44,897
when at the State of the
Union speech and such,

748
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:47,330
the President has made
a big deal about this,

749
00:40:47,333 --> 00:40:52,733
did you -- did he underestimate
and miscalculate just how hard

750
00:40:52,734 --> 00:40:54,764
this was going to be?

751
00:40:54,767 --> 00:40:56,967
Mr. Gibbs:
In your words, we might
have misunderestimated

752
00:40:56,967 --> 00:41:01,237
that those in the Senate on both
the Democrat and Republican side

753
00:41:01,233 --> 00:41:05,203
shared the President's goal
-- mostly, if not completely,

754
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,370
on the Republican side --
in protecting the corporate

755
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:15,297
influence and the special
interest donors that seek to not

756
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:19,070
just influence elections but
ultimately influence policy.

757
00:41:19,066 --> 00:41:22,296
Again, I think, as I've said
here in the last few weeks,

758
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:25,030
governing is about
choices, right?

759
00:41:25,033 --> 00:41:28,303
You're either going to extend
unemployment insurance for those

760
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:31,830
that have lost their job, or
you're not for that -- okay?

761
00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:34,934
You're either for a small
business -- increased money

762
00:41:34,934 --> 00:41:37,534
for small business lending,
or you're not for that.

763
00:41:37,533 --> 00:41:41,003
And in the next couple days,
we'll figure out who thinks

764
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,300
there's too much corporate
influence in our elections,

765
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:47,000
and who's just fine with the
corporate influence we've got.

766
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Mark.

767
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,470
The Press:
WikiLeaks one more time.

768
00:41:49,467 --> 00:41:53,397
To follow on Michael's question
about the inflection points in

769
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,700
public opinion in history, what
do you make of the comparisons

770
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:01,100
between these leaks and
the Pentagon Papers?

771
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:05,970
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, the Pentagon
Papers are different in the

772
00:42:05,967 --> 00:42:08,837
sense that you're talking
about policy documents.

773
00:42:08,834 --> 00:42:14,934
These are sort of on-the-ground
reporting of different events.

774
00:42:14,934 --> 00:42:20,604
I don't see how in any way
they're really comparable,

775
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:27,870
again, given the fact that --
go back and look at -- again,

776
00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:30,997
just in the past month I know
we've talked about in here,

777
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,330
we've talked about the concern
about civilian casualties.

778
00:42:34,333 --> 00:42:37,063
It's not something that has
been -- not something that we

779
00:42:37,066 --> 00:42:39,836
previously hadn't touched on
that all of a sudden burst out

780
00:42:39,834 --> 00:42:41,704
into the public arena.

781
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,800
Certainly, as I said earlier,
the historic relationships that

782
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,700
have been had between the
Taliban and the Pakistani

783
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:52,670
intelligence services -- the
headline in The New York

784
00:42:52,667 --> 00:42:57,767
Times story says -- basically
attributes the headline of that

785
00:42:57,767 --> 00:43:00,797
connection to U.S. aid.

786
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,770
So, again, it's not -- I'm
not trying to downplay the

787
00:43:03,767 --> 00:43:05,997
seriousness of those concerns.

788
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,230
They are serious.

789
00:43:08,233 --> 00:43:11,233
That's why we've taken
steps to try to improve that

790
00:43:11,233 --> 00:43:15,103
relationship, for the Pakistanis
to take certain steps,

791
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:22,900
so that we can build in Pakistan
and in Afghanistan a situation

792
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:24,570
that improves our security.

793
00:43:24,567 --> 00:43:26,697
The Press:
You probably could have
said a lot of those things

794
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,400
about the Pentagon Papers, too,
a lot of those same concerns

795
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,430
were raised before.

796
00:43:29,433 --> 00:43:31,363
I guess my question is about
the public opinion climate --

797
00:43:31,367 --> 00:43:32,697
Mr. Gibbs:
What I'm trying to --
what I'm trying to --

798
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:34,070
The Press:
-- does it change it?

799
00:43:34,066 --> 00:43:37,736
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't think the material
that's in the Pentagon

800
00:43:37,734 --> 00:43:41,504
-- again, the Pentagon Papers
is a fairly exhaustive policy

801
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:44,000
review by the Pentagon.

802
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,170
I think as Major said earlier,
these are a series of one-off

803
00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:52,996
documents about an operation
here or an instance there,

804
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,170
or a -- they're not a broad sort
of -- this isn't a broad review

805
00:43:59,166 --> 00:44:03,666
of aspects of civilian --
progress that we have or haven't

806
00:44:03,667 --> 00:44:05,367
made on civilian casualties.

807
00:44:05,367 --> 00:44:07,967
It's just on-the-ground
reporting on that.

808
00:44:07,967 --> 00:44:09,767
I think that's --

809
00:44:09,767 --> 00:44:12,937
The Press:
But don't they kind of paint
sort of a portrait, Robert?

810
00:44:12,934 --> 00:44:14,634
I mean it's -- the aggregation
of these documents -- don't they

811
00:44:14,633 --> 00:44:16,063
sort of collectively
paint a portrait?

812
00:44:16,066 --> 00:44:19,366
Mr. Gibbs:
But again, Glenn, you don't
-- because there's only a

813
00:44:19,367 --> 00:44:22,437
certain time period and you
don't know what was and what

814
00:44:22,433 --> 00:44:28,233
wasn't either leaked or posted,
I think to say that you know

815
00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:30,103
everything is probably
not the case. Ann.

816
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:33,670
The Press:
Would you compare it to
Abu Ghraib or at least the

817
00:44:33,667 --> 00:44:36,337
repercussions from the impact --

818
00:44:36,333 --> 00:44:39,433
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm always -- I will say this.

819
00:44:39,433 --> 00:44:43,763
I'm always loath to look back
and compare one event to

820
00:44:43,767 --> 00:44:49,897
something else when I just don't
always -- I think we have a

821
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,230
tendency to always want to
compare it to something else

822
00:44:52,233 --> 00:44:55,033
rather than simply reporting
out what -- but, again, Ann,

823
00:44:55,033 --> 00:45:01,633
I want to stress again that
the notion that -- again,

824
00:45:01,633 --> 00:45:05,463
if you wrote down all of what
our concerns in our relationship

825
00:45:05,467 --> 00:45:08,997
with Pakistan, if you wrote
down what they were about our

826
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,300
relationship and the challenges
that we face in Afghanistan,

827
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:17,830
I do not know that you would
list one thing differently today

828
00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:20,364
as a result of what we've read
in these documents that you

829
00:45:20,367 --> 00:45:22,897
wouldn't have already
listed a week ago.

830
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:26,630
I just don't -- and I think
that's partly your answer to

831
00:45:26,633 --> 00:45:35,433
that, Mark, that you don't have
some revelation that there's a

832
00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:38,033
systematic change of
the course of events,

833
00:45:38,033 --> 00:45:41,363
that we have stepped up
operations at a certain part in

834
00:45:41,367 --> 00:45:44,267
the war in Southeast Asia, that
we've escalated -- that's just

835
00:45:44,266 --> 00:45:47,436
not -- that's not what
these documents are.

836
00:45:47,433 --> 00:45:51,233
The Press:
The head of WikiLeaks tells
us that he won't identify

837
00:45:51,233 --> 00:45:52,703
the source of the material.

838
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,230
He actually says, we still
don't know who the source is,

839
00:45:55,233 --> 00:45:57,533
but if it was Private
First Class Manning,

840
00:45:57,533 --> 00:46:01,333
who is already in custody,
the head of WikiLeaks says

841
00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:02,703
he's a hero.

842
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,800
What does the President say to
WikiLeaks and those who believe

843
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,730
that they are doing the
right thing in outing a

844
00:46:08,734 --> 00:46:10,364
policy they disagree with?

845
00:46:10,367 --> 00:46:13,737
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think there are
ways in which one can

846
00:46:13,734 --> 00:46:18,334
disagree with a policy without
breaking the law and putting in

847
00:46:18,333 --> 00:46:24,063
potential danger those who
are there to keep us safe.

848
00:46:24,066 --> 00:46:27,196
Again, Ann, if I were to
have handed one of you these

849
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,130
documents, I would
be breaking the law.

850
00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:39,463
I think there are certainly
better ways to discuss and

851
00:46:39,467 --> 00:46:41,797
register one's opposition
rather than putting people

852
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,430
in potential harm's way.

853
00:46:43,433 --> 00:46:45,063
The Press:
What's Manning's
status, do you know?

854
00:46:45,066 --> 00:46:46,366
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm not going to get into that.

855
00:46:46,367 --> 00:46:47,767
The Press:
Robert, you talked about choices.

856
00:46:47,767 --> 00:46:50,467
Is the President hoping to sway
some choices on the DISCLOSE Act

857
00:46:50,467 --> 00:46:53,267
this afternoon or just shine a
spotlight for the public on the

858
00:46:53,266 --> 00:46:55,266
choices that people make?

859
00:46:55,266 --> 00:46:58,436
Mr. Gibbs:
We certainly hope that
those in the Senate listen

860
00:46:58,433 --> 00:47:01,833
to what the President says
and take that into account

861
00:47:01,834 --> 00:47:03,834
before they vote.

862
00:47:03,834 --> 00:47:04,764
Yes, ma'am.

863
00:47:04,767 --> 00:47:06,267
The Press:
Robert, on Congressman Rangel,

864
00:47:06,266 --> 00:47:08,596
the President is obviously the
head of the Democratic Party,

865
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,830
and you yourself, when asked
about Rangel in February --

866
00:47:10,834 --> 00:47:12,364
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm happy to find
some stuff on this,

867
00:47:12,367 --> 00:47:13,667
but I don't have
anything for you.

868
00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:14,737
The Press:
You don't want to say more?

869
00:47:14,734 --> 00:47:16,264
Mr. Gibbs:
Peter.

870
00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:17,996
The Press:
Robert, on the
Shirley Sherrod case,

871
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,370
she invited the President
to come to south Georgia,

872
00:47:21,367 --> 00:47:23,767
lead him on a tour of some
civil rights landmarks.

873
00:47:23,767 --> 00:47:24,597
Also, others --

874
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,570
Mr. Gibbs:
I would say this.

875
00:47:25,567 --> 00:47:28,597
Having listened to the call,
she invited him broadly

876
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,070
to south Georgia.

877
00:47:30,066 --> 00:47:33,896
I don't remember them getting
that detailed into what a visit

878
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:35,300
or a tour might be.

879
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,500
The Press:
And also, is there a
moment where the -- is

880
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,970
this a moment where the
President might lead a

881
00:47:39,967 --> 00:47:41,197
national conversation on race?

882
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,770
Do you expect us to hear
more from the President

883
00:47:43,767 --> 00:47:44,837
on this particular --

884
00:47:44,834 --> 00:47:47,804
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, Peter, I said this
certainly a lot last week.

885
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,370
I don't think the President -- I
don't think you have to look at

886
00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:52,137
the events of last week
and need the President

887
00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:54,303
to lead that conversation.

888
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,970
I assume and I hope that,
whether it was in the offices

889
00:47:57,967 --> 00:48:00,837
of this administration, whether
it was in the offices of

890
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:04,604
newspapers, television, radio,
or whether it was in the homes

891
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,070
of millions of Americans, that
we learned a little bit about

892
00:48:09,066 --> 00:48:12,366
ourselves and about
how we react to things.

893
00:48:12,367 --> 00:48:17,497
I don't think the President has
to be -- as I said last week,

894
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:20,330
I don't think the President
has to be the teacher in

895
00:48:20,333 --> 00:48:21,603
every teachable moment.

896
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,500
Yes, sir.

897
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,030
The Press:
Thank you, Robert.

898
00:48:24,033 --> 00:48:28,633
Just a different question
regarding personnel.

899
00:48:28,633 --> 00:48:33,103
Two weeks ago, the Capitol Hill
publication "The Hill" reported

900
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:37,800
that a top staffer on Senator
Baucus's finance committee,

901
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,300
Ms. Liz Fowler, was about to
be named to a key position at

902
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,430
the Department of HHS.

903
00:48:44,433 --> 00:48:49,133
And Ms. Fowler is also a former
vice president of the WellPoint

904
00:48:49,133 --> 00:48:51,003
insurance company.

905
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,300
Can you confirm
that appointment,

906
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,770
and would appointing
someone of her position --

907
00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:56,667
Mr. Gibbs:
I would say this.

908
00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:57,997
I hope you talk to HHS.

909
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,270
I don't get down to
that level of detail.

910
00:49:01,266 --> 00:49:04,496
I have not been given
that level of detail

911
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:08,800
on any potential
impending announcement.

912
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,400
The Press:
Robert, can I ask you
about the congressional

913
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,930
briefings on WikiLeaks?

914
00:49:12,934 --> 00:49:14,304
Mr. Gibbs:
Richard, I'll come back around.

915
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,930
The Press:
Let me follow on WikiLeaks
-- let me just follow on

916
00:49:16,934 --> 00:49:17,934
WikiLeaks for a second.

917
00:49:17,934 --> 00:49:20,404
Even if there is nothing
substantially new in these

918
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,770
documents -- you're in the
communications business --

919
00:49:22,767 --> 00:49:26,967
are you concerned that
the public and, therefore,

920
00:49:26,967 --> 00:49:29,737
perhaps members of Congress will
think that there's something new

921
00:49:29,734 --> 00:49:32,904
here, and that perception will
drive reality and it will have

922
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,700
an impact on your policy?

923
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:42,730
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, look, I think
inherently the last phrase of

924
00:49:42,734 --> 00:49:46,504
your question that you didn't
necessarily enumerate was about

925
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:49,700
the politics of all this.

926
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:57,600
The President made a decision to
put almost 50,000 more troops in

927
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,300
Afghanistan not based on the
politics but based on what was

928
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:08,000
right; based on what he believed
was -- gave us the best chance

929
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,830
at succeeding in Afghanistan,
and in making the decisions that

930
00:50:12,834 --> 00:50:16,104
gave us the best opportunity to
improve our relationship with

931
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,300
Pakistan and create,
as Ed pointed out,

932
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:24,400
a partnership to go after
those in Pakistan that sought

933
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,670
to do Pakistanis harm or those
in Pakistan and Afghanistan that

934
00:50:28,667 --> 00:50:32,397
sought to do Americans harm.

935
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,370
That's the filter by
which the President went

936
00:50:34,367 --> 00:50:35,767
through the meetings.

937
00:50:35,767 --> 00:50:39,667
That's the filter by which the
President made that decision.

938
00:50:39,667 --> 00:50:44,937
The politics of all
of this stuff will

939
00:50:44,934 --> 00:50:47,304
settle out regardless.

940
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:49,470
The question the President asked
himself and the question that

941
00:50:49,467 --> 00:50:53,497
the team asked themselves
in making this decision is,

942
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:56,100
what's the right policy
for this country?

943
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,070
What's the right policy
that keeps us safe,

944
00:50:58,066 --> 00:51:04,936
and what's the right policy that
prevents safe havens from being

945
00:51:04,934 --> 00:51:11,334
recreated in Afghanistan, where
planning can happen again,

946
00:51:11,333 --> 00:51:15,103
unfettered, to
attack this country,

947
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:18,000
as happened on September 11th?

948
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,870
That's what we're focused on.

949
00:51:21,867 --> 00:51:23,437
The Press:
May I follow on that, please?

950
00:51:23,433 --> 00:51:25,903
Is it unanimous among all the
administration that this is the

951
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:28,070
right policy, that it is
keeping America safer?

952
00:51:28,066 --> 00:51:30,596
And what is the U.S. policy
towards the Taliban right now?

953
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,430
Are there U.S. troops
protecting the Taliban's crops?

954
00:51:34,433 --> 00:51:37,303
Mr. Gibbs:
I would point
you to DOD on that.

955
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:43,870
I would say this, that there
was a very, very large, very,

956
00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:48,137
very extensive, with
multiple inputs,

957
00:51:48,133 --> 00:51:51,433
review of where we were and what
we needed to do going forward.

958
00:51:51,433 --> 00:51:58,003
We're in the process of
implementing going -- we're in

959
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,870
the process of implementing
that new strategy,

960
00:51:59,867 --> 00:52:03,797
evaluating that new
strategy and moving forward.

961
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,600
The Press:
But is America really safer?

962
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,030
Mr. Gibbs:
I believe America is safer,

963
00:52:08,033 --> 00:52:15,663
because if we were not
to be in this area,

964
00:52:15,667 --> 00:52:21,237
if we were to -- if the Taliban
were to come and overthrow a

965
00:52:21,233 --> 00:52:25,233
government and create a safe
haven that allowed al Qaeda and

966
00:52:25,233 --> 00:52:30,533
its extremist allies to not have
to plot in a cave but sit in the

967
00:52:30,533 --> 00:52:38,633
open and plot the next September
11th, our country would be much,

968
00:52:38,633 --> 00:52:42,603
much more dangerous,
a much greater target.

969
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,170
And I think that's why
the President has made

970
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:47,696
the decisions that he's made. April.

971
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:49,200
The Press:
Robert, one short question?

972
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,530
The Press:
Robert, granted documents in
the WikiLeak date back to 2004,

973
00:52:52,533 --> 00:52:55,003
is this a direct slap in the
face to this administration's

974
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,600
intelligence efforts in Afghanistan?

975
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,630
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I think if
it says anything,

976
00:53:00,633 --> 00:53:05,003
it speaks to some concerns
about operational security.

977
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,300
I don't believe that that's
directed at us personally.

978
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:12,800
The Press:
Okay, well, and let me
-- and also on that,

979
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200
on the intelligence, but
more so on a broader scope on

980
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,370
intelligence -- after 9/11 the
Bush administration kept saying

981
00:53:19,367 --> 00:53:23,097
it was not about "if" but a
matter of "when" another attack

982
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:24,630
would happen on U.S. soil.

983
00:53:24,633 --> 00:53:27,133
Is that still the case, as
you deal with intelligence

984
00:53:27,133 --> 00:53:30,063
on a daily basis?

985
00:53:30,066 --> 00:53:32,666
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, without getting into
discussing the same type of

986
00:53:32,667 --> 00:53:35,437
material I've said I
wouldn't discuss here,

987
00:53:35,433 --> 00:53:40,833
we are -- there are a group of
people within this government

988
00:53:40,834 --> 00:53:43,004
and within this White House
that work each day to make

989
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,900
sure that doesn't happen.

990
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,800
The Press:
And on another -- wait a minute,

991
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,430
on another subject really fast,
the President is going to

992
00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:50,263
"The View" this week to have
a conversation with the

993
00:53:50,266 --> 00:53:51,366
women of "The View."

994
00:53:51,367 --> 00:53:54,637
And he's also going to
be at the Urban League

995
00:53:54,633 --> 00:53:55,763
talking about education.

996
00:53:55,767 --> 00:53:58,767
Last year at the NAACP, the
President talked about education

997
00:53:58,767 --> 00:54:01,567
and he put in a lot of
civil rights issues as

998
00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:02,937
it relates to education.

999
00:54:02,934 --> 00:54:04,704
And then he's going to be
talking on "The View."

1000
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,770
Will the issue -- will he have
a cursory possibly conversation

1001
00:54:07,767 --> 00:54:11,497
with the women of "The View,"
who have a tendency to be

1002
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:16,530
politically astute on matters
in the news on some issues?

1003
00:54:16,533 --> 00:54:18,163
Mr. Gibbs:
Will he have a
conversation with them?

1004
00:54:18,166 --> 00:54:19,366
The Press:
On race possibly.

1005
00:54:19,367 --> 00:54:20,837
Could he generate that --

1006
00:54:20,834 --> 00:54:22,264
Mr. Gibbs:
Oh, you -- I missed that word.

1007
00:54:22,266 --> 00:54:23,436
You didn't -- I
thought you said,

1008
00:54:23,433 --> 00:54:24,663
are they going to
ask him questions,

1009
00:54:24,667 --> 00:54:28,667
and I think I can confirm that,
as a senior administration

1010
00:54:28,667 --> 00:54:32,137
official, that that
is entirely the case.

1011
00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:33,533
The Press:
On the matter of race.

1012
00:54:33,533 --> 00:54:39,263
Mr. Gibbs:
You know, look, I have no idea
what they're going to ask and I

1013
00:54:39,266 --> 00:54:45,696
presume the President will
answer their questions.

1014
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:49,470
Look, I know that we talked
about last week that the

1015
00:54:49,467 --> 00:54:53,067
President has long been
scheduled to go the Urban League

1016
00:54:53,066 --> 00:55:03,136
and will deliver again a speech
about what has been done in this

1017
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:06,803
administration to change and
improve the educational system

1018
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,170
in this country, and ultimately
the opportunity that our

1019
00:55:12,166 --> 00:55:15,736
children are given
as a result of that,

1020
00:55:15,734 --> 00:55:18,464
and the responsibilities
that they and their

1021
00:55:18,467 --> 00:55:19,697
parents alike have.

1022
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:22,300
The Press:
Will civil rights be
infused in that speech?

1023
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:24,230
Mr. Gibbs:
I think that's safe to bet.

1024
00:55:24,233 --> 00:55:25,403
The Press:
One short question?

1025
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,130
Just one short --

1026
00:55:26,133 --> 00:55:28,363
The Press:
Les -- Les, it's
not your turn, buddy.

1027
00:55:28,367 --> 00:55:29,837
Hold on, hold on.

1028
00:55:29,834 --> 00:55:31,234
(laughter)

1029
00:55:31,233 --> 00:55:32,133
The Press:
Wait a minute.

1030
00:55:32,133 --> 00:55:33,263
Why is it your turn back
there and I'm up here?

1031
00:55:33,266 --> 00:55:34,866
Mr. Gibbs:
Because I said "Sam."

1032
00:55:34,867 --> 00:55:35,867
The Press:
You said Sam?

1033
00:55:35,867 --> 00:55:36,997
Mr. Gibbs:
I said "Sam."

1034
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,900
You were too busy
yelling, Lester.

1035
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:41,630
(laughter)

1036
00:55:41,633 --> 00:55:44,063
This is instructive.

1037
00:55:44,066 --> 00:55:45,036
The Press:
You'll come back?

1038
00:55:45,033 --> 00:55:46,003
Thank you very much.

1039
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,970
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, Sam.

1040
00:55:46,967 --> 00:55:49,397
The Press:
You said you all reached
out to Congress last week,

1041
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,300
and I get that most of
this information predates

1042
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:52,200
the President --

1043
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,370
Mr. Gibbs:
I think that -- honestly,

1044
00:55:53,367 --> 00:55:55,397
I think that most of the
outreach was probably done

1045
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,630
less last week and more,
quite honestly, Sam,

1046
00:55:58,633 --> 00:56:00,633
over the course of
the last 24 hours.

1047
00:56:00,633 --> 00:56:02,763
The Press:
Well, the message that
this -- that most of this

1048
00:56:02,767 --> 00:56:05,167
information predates the
President's new strategy doesn't

1049
00:56:05,166 --> 00:56:07,136
seem to have gotten through
to people like Senator Kerry,

1050
00:56:07,133 --> 00:56:08,803
who said today that
this information

1051
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,270
raises serious questions.

1052
00:56:10,266 --> 00:56:11,766
Are you all trying to
tamp that down and make

1053
00:56:11,767 --> 00:56:13,097
sure that there's a real --

1054
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:18,070
Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, let me first be
clear about -- I think it

1055
00:56:18,066 --> 00:56:23,036
would be hard to identify
anybody that has done as

1056
00:56:23,033 --> 00:56:26,433
much as Senator Kerry has.

1057
00:56:26,433 --> 00:56:29,233
He was obviously
intimately involved in,

1058
00:56:29,233 --> 00:56:35,933
met several times with President
Karzai around the election and

1059
00:56:35,934 --> 00:56:38,734
the aftermath on that.

1060
00:56:38,734 --> 00:56:43,404
He has been -- he's traveled to
both countries and I think has

1061
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:55,100
been an important leader in
ensuring that our policy

1062
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,400
is the right one.

1063
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,830
The Press:
Well, then he should
know more than anybody that

1064
00:56:58,834 --> 00:57:00,134
these aren't new concerns,
but he's still saying it

1065
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:01,403
raises serious questions.

1066
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,130
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again, it -- again,

1067
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:06,533
I'm not minimizing that this
information is out there.

1068
00:57:06,533 --> 00:57:10,533
What I'm simply saying, Sam, is
I think if you asked this of

1069
00:57:10,533 --> 00:57:13,833
Senator Kerry, I think if you
asked this of most on

1070
00:57:13,834 --> 00:57:17,004
Capitol Hill -- and this doesn't
have to do with whether

1071
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,330
this stuff predates it.

1072
00:57:18,333 --> 00:57:21,563
I will say that, again, our
concern about the direction of

1073
00:57:21,567 --> 00:57:24,867
the war, the funding and the
resources that were being given

1074
00:57:24,867 --> 00:57:29,967
to it -- and, look,
that is your strategy.

1075
00:57:29,967 --> 00:57:32,937
If you're not going to fund your
strategy or if you're going --

1076
00:57:32,934 --> 00:57:35,804
if your strategy is going
to be predicated on 25,000

1077
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,430
troops rather than
100,000 troops,

1078
00:57:37,433 --> 00:57:40,703
that limits your ability
to impact that strategy.

1079
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:45,100
But, look, I think Senator Kerry
has been a leading voice on this

1080
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:48,400
and I think our responsibility
and his responsibility as the

1081
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,870
leader of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee is to do all

1082
00:57:51,867 --> 00:57:53,737
that we can to get this right.

1083
00:57:53,734 --> 00:57:58,504
Sam, we have weekly -- the
President hears weekly from

1084
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,830
commanders on the ground in
both Iraq and Afghanistan,

1085
00:58:01,834 --> 00:58:04,264
and we have monthly
meetings -- as I said,

1086
00:58:04,266 --> 00:58:09,096
that will happen just this
Thursday in the Situation Room

1087
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:11,530
-- to evaluate where we are
and to make adjustments.

1088
00:58:11,533 --> 00:58:14,733
Nobody is writing -- nobody
wrote anything in stone and is

1089
00:58:14,734 --> 00:58:17,234
then just hoping
that it all happens.

1090
00:58:17,233 --> 00:58:19,733
We will continually
evaluate where we are,

1091
00:58:19,734 --> 00:58:22,604
what needs to happen, how
do we build Afghan capacity,

1092
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,030
how do we train up the Afghan
national police and the Afghan

1093
00:58:26,033 --> 00:58:29,603
national army as part of a
comprehensive national security

1094
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,830
force that gives us the ability,
once areas are cleared,

1095
00:58:34,834 --> 00:58:37,504
to be able to transfer, again,
both from a governance and a

1096
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:38,700
military perspective.

1097
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:40,800
I think all of
that is important,

1098
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,630
and all of that will be
continually evaluated.

1099
00:58:42,633 --> 00:58:43,603
The Press:
Thanks, Robert.

1100
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,030
Just one short --
one short question.

1101
00:58:46,033 --> 00:58:47,663
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, sir.

1102
00:58:47,667 --> 00:58:50,767
The Press:
What assurance has the
President received from his

1103
00:58:50,767 --> 00:58:55,167
Secretary of State that in 2012
she will not run for President?

1104
00:58:55,166 --> 00:58:57,536
(laughter)

1105
00:58:57,533 --> 00:58:59,663
Mr. Gibbs:
I will --

1106
00:58:59,667 --> 00:59:01,097
The Press:
Just a brief question.

1107
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:04,230
Mr. Gibbs:
I am unaware of any
assurance that this

1108
00:59:04,233 --> 00:59:06,163
President needs about
his Secretary of State.

1109
00:59:06,166 --> 00:59:07,066
Thank you.