File talk:Weeping Parisian from NARA Ww2-81.jpg

Is this how an admin is supposed to behave? Stubbornly putting no-source tags on images that are clearly sourced to the National Archives? Not responding on his talk page? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:08, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Fellow users and editors, I uploaded this picture from NARA a long time ago. As I have seen these last days a coming and going of edits, I will try to give some information to sort this out. It seems indeed the picture was taken in 1940 and it comes from a public domain Frank Capra propaganda film from 1943 (hence the confusion of dates as mentioned in NARA, I would say): see File:Frenchmanweeps1940.ogg. If the reason to delete it is the confusion of dates, I think this is solved: the picture was taken in 1940 and seems to be part of a newsreel made in 1943. The author, as far as I know, is not known if different from Capra himself, but was part of Frank Capra's public domain propaganda film. So, I would say we can either consider the picture public domain as it was taken in 1940 by an unknown author (anonymous piece of work) or we consider it public domain as part of Frank Capra's film. Can anyone give reasonable proof of this not being so?--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 18:08, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

A cropped version was published in Life Mazine of March 3, 1941 as picture of the week; one can find this issue on Google books. The caption on page 28 says: "The tears coursing down this Frenchman's cheeks were shed with many others on the streets of Marseille. The flags of defeated French regiments, stranded since last June in Unoccupied France, were being carried down to the docks to be carried to Algeria." On that page it also shows a different frame from the film fragment. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)