File talk:Neumann de Margitta Arms 1913.png

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The current copyright notice on this is a combination of {{PD-old-assumed}} and {{PD-US-expired}}. PD-old-assumed is used to claim that the work was created over 120 years ago by an unknown person, and "thus" it is a reasonable assumption that the creator has been dead for over seventy years. Even putting aside the obvious problem with that template's logic in general, it's almost certainly not applicable here, as the coat of arms on which the work was based was not even granted until 1913, i.e. approximately 110 years ago.

The PD-US-expired claims that it was published in the US before 1928. Unlike in the PD-old-assumed case, I wouldn't say that this is "almost certainly not applicable", but there's no evidence given for this claim. There's no indication at all of where this image came from, when it was created, or when it was first published in the United States. It looks like it was scanned from a somewhat old book, but "looks like" isn't "is", and "somewhat old" could plausibly be, say, 1965. And in any case, for all we know, this image could have been made in 2015 and not published in the US until 2020.

I will not be changing the current PD claims myself, as I have been unable to find a PD template that seems definitely applicable to me (nor even an argument for PD status that seems so), but it does seem at least somewhat likely that the image is in fact in the public domain. So, I figured I should at least point out this issue even though I'm not going to directly try to fix it.

-Rwv37 (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]