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Flag of Serbia is another: Red, Blue, White.

Not sure

It's not sure if the Russian flag is derived from the Dutch flag. So this image should make this more clear or else it is POV. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 14:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Look at The World Encyclopedia of Flags p.116 (ISBN 0-7548-0167-5). -- AnonMoos (talk) 14:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you Russians? I am. And most of russian vexillogians think, that russian flag is derived from the Dutch flag. --Nokka (talk) 09:31, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Well it is not about what people think, but what is historically proven. --Jeroencommons (talk) 00:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm Dutch myself and I've heard of this myth, there is however strong prove that de Russian flag already existed before Peter the Great visited the Netherlands, which is basically the whole backbone of this myth. I say remove it. Stuntelaar (talk) 12:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It is legend. Russians didn't have national flag before Peter the Great. So, our first big ship "Orel" had a flag, but it was like a toy. Nobody knows how it was in real. P.S. I'm very sorry for my English!--Nokka (talk) 15:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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I provided a specific reference to the conventionally-accepted vexillogical wisdom above (two months ago...). AnonMoos (talk) 02:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed "doubt" template

The fact that mainstream reputable sources state this hypothesis is more than enough for the purposes of Wikimedia Commons. If there are challenges to the the acceptance of the hypothesis, then they can be argued over in the approprate locations on each individual language Wikipedia -- but it is not really the role of us at Wikimedia Commons to adjudicate between alternative hypotheses (provided that the hypothesis presented in the image is suitably supported by acceptable sources, which it is). AnonMoos (talk) 12:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I only see a source I cannot check and even then, it is only one source. Please see here and here for an explanation why it's a myth. Thats why I rerevert you. --Jeroencommons (talk) 16:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Whatever, dude -- I am not responsible for the insufficiency of your libraries -- and in any case, what is much more important is that it is simply NOT OUR JOB here on Wikimedia Commons to adjudicate between conflicting reputable sources. Take a gander at Commons:Scope: AnonMoos (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

"It is not the role of Commons to adjudicate on subject-matter disputes nor to force local projects to use one version of a file in preference to another. Provided that a file falls within Commons scope, and can be legally hosted, we make it available. Whether and under what conditions it is actually used is a matter for the local communities of the individual projects to decide."

I am not responsible for the fact you discard modern historical scholars. --Jeroencommons (talk) 01:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not responsible for the fact that you're unable or unwilling to read official policies such as Commons:Scope -- AnonMoos (talk) 02:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Also in the Commons:Scope policy I have the right to make it clear in the image that the connection between the Dutch flag and the Russian flag is uncertain. I'm not asking for deletion, I changed the image to make it on a nice way clear that it is not sure that there is a connection. Actually it is proven that the only connection between the flags is properly only the shape and not the colours (where it's really about). So actually I give the myth more credit in the image than it should. So I revert you again and hopefully you will be brave enough to accept this. --Jeroencommons (talk) 12:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You imposed your own personal interpretation on the image, despite the fact that there are perfectly respectable sources out there which contradict your interpretation. Therefore you violated the portion of the policy Commons:Scope which states "It is not the role of Commons to adjudicate on subject-matter disputes nor to force local projects to use one version of a file in preference to another." If you really want to, you can upload your own version of the file under another name (provided you obey the original licensing terms), but your current course is unacceptable -- and you have had ample grounds to be aware of the reasons why it is unacceptable. AnonMoos (talk) 00:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Девочки, не ссортесь!

Google translate: "Girls are not class!": What you mean with this Nokka? --Jeroencommons (talk) 12:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think, not "class". It's "quarrel". Old russian joke. Nothing personal. Russian flag is derived from the Dutch flag. It is obvious! No doubt. --Nokka (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)