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[edit]The source says Mathias Mulich has been burgomaster / mayor of Lübeck. Was he? Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 21:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Which source/s? The research of Christie's seems to be a little bit poor, they didn't even get the published date of this portrait... Mayor: definitely not. See: de:Lübecker Bürgermeister incl. Lit. and other sources like de:Mathias Mulich. Therefore downgraded to the (very rich) merchant he was.--Kresspahl (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Which source? The image I uploaded has only one source. There's a flaw in your reasoning:
- Calling a source poor implies you are more of a specialist...?
- Wikipedia can't be a source.
- A text that does not mention him as a burgomaster does not mean he wasn't a burgomaster. He might just as well not be included in the list.
So, it would be better to see a reference to literature that states that he was never a burgomaster, instead of lists or literature where he is not mentioned as a burgomaster. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 10:09, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Quote from de:WP: Trotz dieser Zugehörigkeit zum Patriziat wurde er nicht Mitglied des Rates der Stadt. Es wird vermutet, das er so auch seinen unabhängigen Finanz- und Handelsinteressen mit den politischen Gegnern der Stadt den Vorzug gab.[12] For references have a look there.
- Jörgen Bracker (Hrsg.): Die Hanse — Lebenswirklichkeit und Mythos, 2 Bde., Hamburg 1989. In: Katalog der Ausstellung des Museums für Hamburgische Geschichte in Hamburg 24. August - 24. November 1989. Textteil in 4. Auflage, Schmidt-Römhild, Lübeck 2006.
- Philippe Dollinger: Die Hanse, 2. Auflage Stuttgart 1976 ISBN 3520371022.
- Gerhard Fouquet: "Vom Krieg hören und schreiben". Aus den Briefen an den Lübeck-Nürnberger Kaufmann Matthias Mulich (1522/23). In: Geschichtsbilder: Festschrift für Michael Salewski zum 65. Geburtstag. Stuttgart: Steiner 2003 (Historische Mitteilungen: Beihefte: Geschichte 47) ISBN 978-3-515-08252-5, S. 168-187
- Antjekathrin Graßmann (Hrsg.): Lübeckische Geschichte, 1989, ISBN 3-7950-3203-2.
- Günter Meyer: Zur Geschichte der Kupfermühle in Oldesloe, gegründet 1515 von Matthias Mulich. In: Das Gedächtnis der Hansestadt Lübeck, Lübeck 2005, S. 287-300, ISBN 3-7950-5555-5.
- Günter Meyer: Mathias Mulich in: Biographisches Lexikon für Schleswig-Holstein und Lübeck. Band 12 Neumünster 2006, S. 321 ff., ISBN 3529025607; auch in: Neue Lübecker Lebensläufe. Lübeck 2009, S. 457-461
- Claus Nordmann: Nürnberger Großhändler im spätmittelalterlichen Lübeck. 1933.
- Fritz Rörig: Das Einkaufsbüchlein der Nürnberg-Lübecker Mulichs auf der Frankfurter Fastenmesse 1495, in: Wirtschaftskräfte im Mittelalter (hrsg. v. Paul Kaegbein), Weimar 1959, S. 288–350.
- Hildegard Vogeler: Das Triptychon des Hinrich und der Katharina Kerckring von Jacob van Utrecht, Lübeck 1999.
- Carl Friedrich Wehrmann: Briefe an Matthias Mulich, geschrieben im Jahre 1523, in: Zeitschrift des Vereins für Lübeckische Geschichte und Altertumskunde (ZVLGA) 2, 1867, S. 296-347 (online).
- So the information was referenced in the article.--Kresspahl (talk) 10:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- All right, all right! Don't overflow me with references. Just this question, does Dollinger Lübeckische Geschichte, S. 210 say he was never Mitglied des Rates? I don't have access to that book. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 10:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, he does. I checked it again. German 2nd ed. p. 235.--Kresspahl (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- All right, discussion closed. Thanks for your effort. Regards. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 00:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC)