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Kazimier Lachnovič, if you are interested in 'resolving' it there, you are free to do so, but I'm not going to bring anything up on Belarusian Wikipedia, seeing as the opinion of its users, including you, is clear. There is no reason to put a link to that article, and all you are trying to achieve is to convince someone of your personal views. The copious amount of Belarusian categories is enough. –Adamvs (talk) 12:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Like I told, according to Commons:Project scope/Neutral point of view, such discussions are out of scope here. The file is in use in the mentioned article, where it is clearly stated that in the late 18th century Belarusian Litoŭskija sialanie («Літоўскія сяляне») are referred to peasants-Lićviny («сяляне-Ліцьвіны»). And such opinion is proofed, for example, by Dr. Prof. Timothy D. Snyder in The Reconstruction of Nations: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999, Yale University Press, 2003.: «Before 1863, the most common self-appellation of the largest group in Russia’s Northwest Territory — Belarusian-speaking peasants — was apparently “Lithuanian”» (p. 49). So the reference in Belarusian is valid according to file usage in the correspondent local project. --Kazimier Lachnovič (talk) 14:01, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing relating to Wikipedia and its content is out of scope here. Yes, before the rise of the nation state, all residents of countries such as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were called Lithuanians and so on. We can't be sure whether the people depicted are Lithuanians or some other residents of the Grand Duchy, called Lithuanians. Though, when the Lithuanian language was mentioned, it was always the language of the ethnic Lithuanians being referred to (see Samuel Bogusław Chyliński). The huge problem is the link to the frighful article in Belarusian. I am very much aware of your views, as strange as it is, you're free to think 'Lithuanian' describes you. That is not enough cause to push Litvinist Belarusian articles elsewhere. –Adamvs (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- I doubt that you do able to speak and understand Belarusian to give such assessments like «frighful» and etc. The article is based on great amount of reliable sources and was recognized as good by the correspondent Wikipedia community. In any way, the title of this painting is not «Lithuanian language or Lithuanian speaking peasants», so your reference to language name is irrelevant for it. --Kazimier Lachnovič (talk) 10:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, users of the correspondent Wikipedia community, where the litvinist sources are all Belarusian. Belarusian Wikipedia, especially the one using traditional characters is the only place where such nonsense is accepted. What I said about language is relevant to that. I'm not sure why you are so insistent on a link that only Belarusians—the only ones interested in these pseudohistorical ideas—are going to see. –Adamvs (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I doubt that you do able to speak and understand Belarusian to give such assessments like «frighful» and etc. The article is based on great amount of reliable sources and was recognized as good by the correspondent Wikipedia community. In any way, the title of this painting is not «Lithuanian language or Lithuanian speaking peasants», so your reference to language name is irrelevant for it. --Kazimier Lachnovič (talk) 10:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing relating to Wikipedia and its content is out of scope here. Yes, before the rise of the nation state, all residents of countries such as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were called Lithuanians and so on. We can't be sure whether the people depicted are Lithuanians or some other residents of the Grand Duchy, called Lithuanians. Though, when the Lithuanian language was mentioned, it was always the language of the ethnic Lithuanians being referred to (see Samuel Bogusław Chyliński). The huge problem is the link to the frighful article in Belarusian. I am very much aware of your views, as strange as it is, you're free to think 'Lithuanian' describes you. That is not enough cause to push Litvinist Belarusian articles elsewhere. –Adamvs (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
