File talk:Jerusalem Jaffator um 1900.jpg

PD-old or licence unknown?

Hello Denniss, you commented your revert with

“rev, have you ever checked the LOC link? Created between ca 1890 and 1900, published at minimum 1905 in the US”

Sure I checked the link. It clearly says that restrictions on publications are unknown, i. e. that the copyright status is not clear. If you read the information closely, you will find that it is only the title that is taken from the 1905 US publication. It is stated in no word that this has been the first publication. It is fairly likely that the photographer had published the image before: In the Jerusalem American Colony, where Western photographers of Jerusalem lived at the time. To be in the public domain for having been published before 1923, it would need to be first published in the US and not having been shown round in Ottoman Palestine before. We don't know.

The author is not named by the LOC nor when he died. He may well have lived up to the sixties. The image may not be in the public domain for decades to come. We just don't know and must not make assumptions.

--Wikipeder 00:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It's at least {{PD-US}}, having been published in 1905. And the LoC doesn't say "unknown", they say "no known restrictions on publication". Second-guessing the experts at the LoC isn't the best of ideas. See also Commons:Village_pump#Tag_.7B.7BPD-LOC.7D.7D. Lupo 09:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

See also the Loc's statement on the Photochrom collection, from which this image comes. They explicitly say all these images were {{PD-US}}. Lupo 09:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. The LOC apparently regards all images in this specific collection as first published in the USA, which makes them {{PD-US}} as they were published there before 1923. As an anonymous work, then, the image is {{PD-old}} (70 years after publication) according to the Berne Convention.

--Wikipeder 10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)