File talk:JAMMES Jean-Vital Birth Certificate 1825.JPG

Transcription

It may be a good idea to provide a transcription and English translation for this document. Also: I might suggest photographing or scanning this item using a black background. Then the writing on the reverse side will not be as visible. With a black background, the copy may require some adjustment of contrast and brightness. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Robert,

OK for the transcription, and English translation. For the conditions of photographying, the pictures were taken from the screen of a microfilm viewer. This is why they are quite bad. In France, most of birth, wedding, death certificate registers are communicated either by Internet publication or only by their microfilm version, in order to protect originals. This certificate is not on Internet, ans I must go to Agen in order to obtain a better photograph.

If I give Wikipedia the web address of an "Archives départementales" site and the references of the Internet register which contains an act, is it a suitable source ?

Sincerely yours,

Jean GUERIN 2 (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Transcription in French :

L’an mil huit cent vingt cinq le vingt huit du mois d’avril à quatre heures du soir par devant nous Jean Joseph Cyprien Roubres Maire et Officier de l’état-civil de la commune du passage, canton d’Agen département de Lot et Garonne est comparu en notre Maison Antoine Jammes, âgé de vingt cinq ans tailleur d’habits demeurant au chef lieu de ladite commune, lequel nous a présenté un enfant du sexe masculin né cejourd’hui à deux heures du matin de père déclarant et de Marguerite Andrieu son épouse et auquel il a déclaré vouloir donner les prénoms de Jean Vital, les dites déclaration et présentation faites en présence d’Antoine Delpech Boulanger, âgé de quarante un ans, premier témoin et d’Armand Castan âgé de vingt quatre ans cordonnier, second témoin tous les deux demeurant au susdit chef lieu de la susdite commune et les deux témoins ont signé avec nous le présent acte de naissance avec le père de l’enfant pour ne savoir comme il l’a déclaré de ce requis après qu’il leur en a été fait lecture

Roubres Castan Delpech

En marge :

Ex le 10 avril 1848

Ex. 20 juin 1885

20e

Jean GUERIN 2 (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

This is outside of my experience at Wikipedia, but the information you suggest adding would definitely contribute to verifiability, so that sounds like a good idea. Thanks very, very much for the transcription. --Robert.Allen (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Robert,

I'm used to read these dccuments ... In France, the oldest are from approximately 1550's

I will try to give Wikipedia Internet references for my certificates (see Jean-Vital Jammes talk).

Sincerely yours,

Jean GUERIN 2 (talk) 13:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Just a detail, Delpech was a baker (Boulanger). In French certificate, profession and age of witnesses were compulsory mentions. And witnesses were compulsory males.

Jean GUERIN 2 (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jean, Thanks for all the help! I think the English version looks pretty good now. Look it over when you get a chance. --Robert.Allen (talk) 08:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)