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Color clash
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It would be nicer if the sea was a colour better contrasting with that of Strathclyde and East Anglia. jnestorius(talk) 19:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Inaccuracie in map
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This map gives the impression that 1) there was a kingdom of "Strathclyde" in 802 and 2) that it embraced Cumberland, Galloway and Man, for which it almost certainly didn't. "Strathclyde" is "valley of the Clyde" ... there's no evidence that Galloway or Man were in that kingdom at any stage in history, and Cumberland was almost certainly part of Northumbria in 802. I have to remove this map from display as the inaccuracies are unacceptable. It's also not clear either that there was a Dal Riata in 802; it actually appears to have been converted into a Pictish sub-kingdom by that stage, but the previous points stand. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 19:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- The map created was using the historical and most prominent recorded map from 802, by cartographer and historian en:William R. Shepherd. DO NOT simply remove it from all the articles, if you feel there is something wrong with it, feel free to modify with a source to go along with it and "upload a new version" of this file instead of ripping it from many articles. Thanks - Yorkshirian (talk) 19:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Yorkshirian; if a map is inaccurate, I am perfectly free to get rid of it; unless you can point me to the wikipedia rule that says otherwise. Not even the thinnest shread of evidence Galloway was in "Strathclyde" (which didn't exist at this time, see Broun "British Identity"), and no-one to my knowledge has ever argued that; just laziness, as no-one really knows the status of Galloway in 802. You'll get the impression though from the existence of the Bishopric of Whithorn that there is strong evidence of Northumbrian control of parts of that region. Most Northumbrian scholars too will be surprised to see that Northumbria in this period didn't include Cumberland. And Man being in Strathclyde is historically ridiculous, and, incidentally, if you look carefully, that was not claimed by the Shepherd map either. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 08:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I've posted notes at the articles in question suggesting that we centralize the discussion at en:Talk:Mercia#Map. Mike Christie (talk) 02:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
