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Hi @HistoryofIran:

It is true map, read this Note and reference: 

At their extent, the territory under their control, roughly corresponds to most of north-western and upper-central modern Iran, most of the regions of modern Azerbaijan and smaller portions in modern Armenia (southern part), Turkey (northeastern part) and Iraq (eastern part). Down to the death in war 1194 of Toghril b. Arslan, last of the Great Seljuq rulers of Iraq and Persia, the Ildenizids ruled as theoretical subordinates of the Sultans, acknowledging this dependence on their coins almost down to the end of the Seljuqs.[1]

And look here, in the first lines.
And plse do not delete the map from the Eldiguzids (EnWiki) page. tankyou. — Atro S (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? The citation and the info you've written contradict each other. Please stop trying to push this map without any reliable source to back it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @HistoryofIran: , Where do my citation and written contradict each other?!!!! I used this reference from EnWiki so.--Atro S (talk) 21:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By contradict I mean they're not stating the same thing, read the citation. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The citation states that the Eldiguzids ruled Arran, most of Azerbaijan, and Jibal. This map of yours show the Eldiguzids ruling MUCH more than the citation states. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC 
Thus, Atabay Shamsaddin Eldaniz subjugated a huge territory stretching from the Caucasus Mountains to the Persian Gulf. The territory under Eldeniz's rule "stretched from the gates of Tbilissi (Tbilisi) to Makran. It occupied Azerbaijan, Arran, Shirvan, Jibal, Hamadan, Gilan, Mazandaran, Isfahan and Rey"[2][3]

The rulers of Mosul, Kerman and Persia, the rulers of Shirvan, Khuzistan, Khilat, Erzan al-Rum and Maragha were vassals who cut money in the name of Eldeniz and delivered sermons. Al-Husseini writes: "Atabay Eldaniz was the real ruler. He gave orders, distributed the lands he received, controlled the state treasury, and Sultan Arslan Shah ibn Togrul was only a ruler by name.[4]
Yours sincerely --Atro S (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You could at the very least had linked the sources, you could have gotten that from anywhere. Anyways, that still doesn't cut it, read [1]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Can u delete

?
The factual accuracy of this map or the file name is disputed.
Reason: Nowhere near did they get close to rule that much land. This is exaggerated big time.

I showed refrence for true rules. Yours sincerely.--Atro S

Reference

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  1. ↑ C.E. Bosworth, "Ildenizids or Eldiguzids", Encyclopaedia of Islam, Edited by P.J. Bearman, Th. Bianquis, C.E. Bosworth, E. van Donzel and W.P. Heinrichs et al., Encyclopædia of Islam, 2nd Edition., 12 vols. with indexes, etc., Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1960–2005. Vol 3. pp 1110-111. Excerpt 1: "Ildenizids or Eldiguzids, a line of Atabegs of Turkish slave commanders who governed most of northwestern Persia, including Arran, most of Azarbaijan, and Djibal, during the second half of the 6th/12th century and the early decades of the 7th/13th century". Excerpt 2: "The Turkish Ildenizids shared to the full in the Perso-Islamic civilization"
  2. ↑ Ali ibn al-Athir, the orginal book: The Complete History No:V page.119 and 167
  3. ↑ Ibn Khaldun (2020) (in Arabic) تاريخ ابن خلدون الجزء الخامس History of Ibn Khaldun part 5, دار الکتاب العلمیه, pp. 84 ISBN: B08HR195DJ.
  4. ↑ Al_Hoseini, the orginal book: Zubdat al-Aawarikh page.94
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