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The 2nd map you uploaded is smaller than the 1st. Do you have a larger version? Also would be nice to add a legend, if not in the image, at least in the description. What does the red-brownish color outside the Avars represent? And one more question: where are the Daco-Romans or the Vlachs? Can you depict them? Compare and contrast with your own map on 700 AD: File:Central and Eastern Europe around 700 AD.jpg. --Codrin.B (talk) 16:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ill see if I can upload a bigger one. As far as I know, there weren't any people called "Daco-Romans" nor "Vlachs" in the 7th century, were there ? 121.209.233.46 23:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Err, how would you call the Romance-speaking population in the area? On the 700 AD they are called Romano-Dacians.--Codrin.B (talk) 04:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- The thing is my maps here I intend to create are based on the (more-or-less) contemporary known >>political<< situation; and not an inference/ deduction/ guess as to what >>ethno-linguistic<< groups existed at a given point in time and place. On the contrary, Pannonian's map does. Despite the fact that such efforts are sourced, I don't agree with such methhodology. To place "Daco-Romans" in 7th century S.E.E. is out of place - the name itself is a modern construct, and not an ethonym which was ever used, either by those living in Wallachia or by external sources (eg Romans, etc); and Vlachs appears ? 10th century. Of course, this does not mean that there were not any Romance -speaking groups living there; but we cannot clearly ascertain this from archaeological or historical-linguistic evidence (and hence the modern controversy). The 7th century Romance speakers - wherever they were- were part of groups called "Avars", "Sklavenes" even "Bulgars" by contemporary sources. Get Daizus' opinion on this 121.209.233.46 05:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Good points, I don't disagree. I guess we need more sources/evidence for that period. I would certainly love to see Daizus opinion on this. He always has great insight and good sources. Cheers!--Codrin.B (talk) 15:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- The thing is my maps here I intend to create are based on the (more-or-less) contemporary known >>political<< situation; and not an inference/ deduction/ guess as to what >>ethno-linguistic<< groups existed at a given point in time and place. On the contrary, Pannonian's map does. Despite the fact that such efforts are sourced, I don't agree with such methhodology. To place "Daco-Romans" in 7th century S.E.E. is out of place - the name itself is a modern construct, and not an ethonym which was ever used, either by those living in Wallachia or by external sources (eg Romans, etc); and Vlachs appears ? 10th century. Of course, this does not mean that there were not any Romance -speaking groups living there; but we cannot clearly ascertain this from archaeological or historical-linguistic evidence (and hence the modern controversy). The 7th century Romance speakers - wherever they were- were part of groups called "Avars", "Sklavenes" even "Bulgars" by contemporary sources. Get Daizus' opinion on this 121.209.233.46 05:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Err, how would you call the Romance-speaking population in the area? On the 700 AD they are called Romano-Dacians.--Codrin.B (talk) 04:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
