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Polls on categorization
[edit]I would like to propose two different polls to sound the opinion of people on the categorization of this image, in the light of COM:CAT. Categorizing Latuff's cartoons has been the source of countless dramas, and some victims, and it is time to reach a consensus and take a reasonable decision. With these polls I'm addressing two different categories: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism. Please feel free to add others. The questions will be in the form: Do you think that Category: Xxx is adequate for classifying this image?. Please give your opinion using the Support and Oppose templates, and keep your comments short. Long comments belong to the discussion sections above. Pertinent sources to the three concepts are w:Anti-Semitism and w:Anti-Zionism Alvesgaspar (talk) 07:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Anti-Semitism
[edit]Question -- Do you think that Category: Anti-Semitism is adequate for classifying this image?
- Oppose as it shown no hostility towards Jews. It does criticise some Israeli practices, but to go from that to antisemitism is way too far. // Liftarn (talk)
- Oppose any form of POV cartoon categorization: suggest to use "semitisme related cartoons" or "Zionisme related cartoons" --Foroa (talk) 08:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose -- As above -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 15:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose any form of POV cartoon categorization as per Foroa. At most would accept categories *directly* derivable from the image such as: Category:Images containing the word Israeli, Category:Images containing the word oppression and so on (Caricatures or cartoons could substitute for images). -84user (talk) 17:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Railwayfan2005 (talk) 21:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Anti-Zionism
[edit]Question -- Do you think that Category: Anti-Zionism is adequate for classifying this image?
- Oppose any form of POV cartoon categorization: suggest to use "semitisme related cartoons" or "Zionisme related cartoons" --Foroa (talk) 08:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)* --
- Oppose as it, while it criticises some Israeli practices, they are very controversial even within Israel so I don't think it is at the level where it can be called anti-Zionism. // Liftarn (talk)
- Support -- Because it illustrates the opposition to Israel's policies and behaviour ([1]). -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 15:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose any form of POV cartoon categorization as per Foroa and as per my oppose above. -84user (talk) 17:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Railwayfan2005 (talk) 21:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
War Crimes
[edit]Question -- Do you think that Category:War crimes is adequate for classifying this image?
- Oppose any form of POV cartoon categorization as per Foroa and as per my opposes above. -84user (talk) 17:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Railwayfan2005 (talk) 21:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Comment -- I fail to see how categorizing a picture with "Anti-semitism" or "Anti-zionism" is automatically a POV. Does this strange principle also apply to categorizing all other subjective subjects in Art, Philosphy, Ethics, etc., or only to contemporary Politics? Please remember that those concepts are addressed, in a more or less precise way, in the literature. Please check w:Antisemitism, w:Anti-Zionism and w:Anti-Americanism. Also note that categorizing a file is not a political action but a way to make its retrieval easier. Maybe Foroa and 84user want to explain better why they consider the application of those categories a POV -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 18:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- I also fail to see why "Semitism related" or "Zionism related" wouldn't be a POV too. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- I see critizism of Israel, not any kind of "Anti-semitism" or "Anti-zionism". Nillerdk (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)