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@Kamran.nef: Making the border so thin makes it not appear at all in Template:Afghanistan-stub. On a white background, this means all we can see is the flag, and no outline of the country at all. Which defeats the purpose of a flag map. That's just a flag, not a map. This is used on thousands of pages which you broke by reverting with no reason other than that you like it that way. Original uploaders are given outsize say in their files, but you do not completely own what you upload to Commons, and it is not your personal image hosting site. Minor overwrites are allowed to make files usable for Commons' educational purpose (COM:OVERWRITE). Is there another use case that requires a thin border? Because this file was not being used at all before I added it to Wikipedia templates. Files are only kept on Commons if they are theoretically useful to other projects (COM:SCOPE). Making it unusable on the only pages it's being used on is just disruptive. You're going to make me upload a new version and then update every template it's being used on, including a template that requires me to get an admin to change it, just so you can have a version you like for your userpage? Really? If it's just for your userpage, upload a new version. ― Tartan357 Talk 02:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Tartan357: The format Country-Flagmap.svg follows certain guidelines which is the same for all of them Ive created File:Flag-map of Afghanistan.svg a variant which has thicker borders and is similar with Flag-map of Country.svg format.Kamran.nef (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Kamran.nef: Please provide a link to the guideline you're referring to. I can't find any such guidelines and most of these maps are only being used on Commons galleries and your user page. So I'll ask again what the use case is for the thin border version, which was not being used at all (use only on Commons does not meet COM:SCOPE). This file is being used on dozens of templates, not just the mil one, so it's frustrating you've again broken those pages without giving any real reason. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Tartan357: The guidelines are set by me. I made all the maps and they cannot be found in other pages. But I've used masking so that others can use the maps if they need to and all my Flagmaps have same area and the border is relative to that area. I mainly made them for atlases of countries and the reason not many places use them is mainly because not many people are aware of them and I don't know how to promote them. The fact that the flag of Taliban is white is not a justification for not following the same format as all the others especially when other versions exist. Again, if you want to have maps with thicker borders you are more than welcome to use my maps. But the number of flags with white background is very small and that is not a good reason to not follow the same format especially in commons where almost all files with similar subject follow certain guidelines( look at Project Mapmaking Wiki Standards for an example). Kamran.nef (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Individual editors do not set guidelines. They are only set by the community. All my previous statements apply. You do not own the files you upload, and we are under no obligation to host useless files and you do not get to override necessary changes because you have your own "guidelines". You have made this file unusable, and you have not taken the time to fix all the pages you've broken by that. This is quite tiresome. If you actually want them to be used, then don't fight them being used! ― Tartan357 Talk 08:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Tartan357 With whom should I have talked with to put those guidelines. There is no Flagmap community and these guidelines I set for myself are not arbitrary, I chose a stroke that looks good with all countries (thicker borders won't look good with countries that have lots of islands like Finland). The changes you applied are after may the 23rd so the file had thin borders when those pages decide to use it. I'm not obliging you or anyone to host my "useless" files and I wasn't obliged to upload them to Wiki. I saw a need for these sorts of Flagmaps and decided to contribute and I'm not fighting them being used, my Serbia Flagmap is used in many pages without any problem. If you want to modify it do so in a way that it does not break up the consistency. As I said I made them for atlases of countries in mind. I didn't break any pages, those pages used the file with thinner border in the first place. There is a format of Flagmaps with thick borders. If you you need them then use them. Kamran.nef (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Individual editors do not set guidelines. They are only set by the community. All my previous statements apply. You do not own the files you upload, and we are under no obligation to host useless files and you do not get to override necessary changes because you have your own "guidelines". You have made this file unusable, and you have not taken the time to fix all the pages you've broken by that. This is quite tiresome. If you actually want them to be used, then don't fight them being used! ― Tartan357 Talk 08:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Tartan357: The guidelines are set by me. I made all the maps and they cannot be found in other pages. But I've used masking so that others can use the maps if they need to and all my Flagmaps have same area and the border is relative to that area. I mainly made them for atlases of countries and the reason not many places use them is mainly because not many people are aware of them and I don't know how to promote them. The fact that the flag of Taliban is white is not a justification for not following the same format as all the others especially when other versions exist. Again, if you want to have maps with thicker borders you are more than welcome to use my maps. But the number of flags with white background is very small and that is not a good reason to not follow the same format especially in commons where almost all files with similar subject follow certain guidelines( look at Project Mapmaking Wiki Standards for an example). Kamran.nef (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Kamran.nef: Please provide a link to the guideline you're referring to. I can't find any such guidelines and most of these maps are only being used on Commons galleries and your user page. So I'll ask again what the use case is for the thin border version, which was not being used at all (use only on Commons does not meet COM:SCOPE). This file is being used on dozens of templates, not just the mil one, so it's frustrating you've again broken those pages without giving any real reason. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
