The best photograph present on Commons of Lucky Luciano (middle aged), an Italian mobster born in Sicily. Luciano is considered the father of modern organized crime in the United States for splitting New York City into five different Mafia crime families and the establishment of the first commission. He was the first official boss of the modern Genovese crime family. -- Angelus(talk)
Oppose Needs to be geocoded. I think this also needs a US copyright template. "Source" gives two links:
(Corbis Images) is very similar, probably taken a moment before or after this, but was taken directly in front of him while our image is slightly to his right.
appears to be our image, but utterly lacks any documentary information. How do we know this was first published in Italy?
Comment - When the photo was published in Italy there is no need of the US copyright template. I know that the first image is very similar. I inserted it for this, because it was clearly taken at the same time (a moment before or after this), and contains all the documentary information you need. So, obviously, both picture were taken in Italy. Angelus(talk)15:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The similar image tells us that these were taken in Italy, but I don't see anything telling us that this (our image, or the other for that matter) was first published in Italy. cmadler (talk) 15:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But again, the question of where it was first published? Because PD-US-no notice only applies if first published in the US (plus, without knowing when/where it was first published, how do you know there was no notice?). cmadler (talk) 18:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So, I fixed the first source link, and I found the name of the author of the photo (Remo Nassi - Italian photographer).
Italiano: Questa legge si applica a tutte le opere di autori italiani, dovunque pubblicate per la prima volta, salve le disposizioni dell'art. 189. Si applica egualmente alle opere di autori stranieri domiciliati in Italia, che siano state pubblicate per la prima volta in Italia.
— art. 185
English: Subject to the provisions of Article 189, this Law shall apply to all works of Italian authors, wherever first published. It shall likewise apply to the works of foreign authors domiciled in Italy which are first published in Italy.
Neutral I've read the long discussion about the PD-Italy, and I'm sorry but I don't understand anything, and therefore I cannot vote. I think furthermore that these endless debates about copyright are a big waste of time. We have a lot of statistics and statisticians in wikimedia projects, I'd be curious to know how many trials are intented all around the world against the wikimedia projects for copyright violations... Another debate...--Jebulon (talk) 13:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As for the copyright question... ugh. It's on the borderline of PD-Italy, as I think there are rulings or other indications that posed portraits qualify as "photographic works" which have the full 70pma term, and this one could be close -- it's hard to say if it was just a quick snapshot, or if it was posed. Secondly, it appears by Google searches that the photographer, Remo Nassi, was an Associated Press employee (an American company), so Italy may very well not be the country of origin anyways (which is country of first publication, not where it was taken). Do we have a source showing an Italian publication? Publications in the U.S. almost certainly had a copyright notice, so it may depend on if the copyright was renewed or not -- that determination can be very difficult for something like this. Given that it's an AP image... I'd probably lean delete if it came up in a deletion request. Carl Lindberg (talk) 19:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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